Yes but using Terminal is as far from user friendliness as you can go. Whole point of Macs and OS X is GUI, seriously how large % of people using RAID are comfortable with Terminal? 5%? 10%? I doubt the number is much bigger and I am not impressed with the way Apple made this change without clear warning. Obscure reference in the seed notes is not a clear warning!
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Apple Seeds First OS X 10.11.4 El Capitan Beta to Developers
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Yes but using Terminal is as far from user friendliness as you can go. Whole point of Macs and OS X is GUI, seriously how large % of people using RAID are comfortable with Terminal? 5%? 10%? I doubt the number is much bigger and I am not impressed with the way Apple made this change without clear warning. Obscure reference in the seed notes is not a clear warning!
Apple today seeded the first beta of an upcoming OS X 10.11.4 El Capitan update to developers for testing purposes, just over one month after releasing the second OS X El Capitan update, OS X 10.11.2. OS X 10.11.3 is also in testing and has been provided to developers and public beta testers.
The new OS X 10.11.4 beta can be downloaded through the Apple Developer Center.
It is not known what improvements the fourth update to OS X El Capitan will bring, but like prior updates, it's likely to focus on security enhancements, performance improvements, and bug fixes to address issues have been discovered since the release of OS X 10.11.2 and were not able to be included in the OS X 10.11.3 beta.
We'll update this post with any changes that are discovered in the beta.
Article Link: Apple Seeds First OS X 10.11.4 El Capitan Beta to Developers
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I have a MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Late 2012).
I have been using an external blue-tooth track-pad for about one year and during this time it has functioned perfectly well. About five minutes after I installed El Capitan it began to disconnect and reconnect randomly. (and often)
Some times I can reconnect by pressing the on/off button, other times I have to restart the computer - Both are irritating!
Any one with a similar experience/fix for this bug?
That is possible but I believe it only when I see it. Stability is one very important thing, I haven't forgiven apple for removing features without warning (Disk Utility, System Preferences, etc.). 10.11 has potential but it will fulfil only if Apple finally listens to its customers and stops breaking things that don't need fixing.
I start to wonder if Apple cares about this. I hope I am wrong but situation doesn't look good...
I suspect the same thing, Apple clearly wants everyone to upgrade to latest OS but El Capitan isn't impressing me at the moment. Too many issues to work around thanks to bugs in Spotlight, Finder, Disk Utility, Preview, etc.
Me too. Maybe someday that mindset returns to Apple but currently I'm not seeing any signs of it.
I'm curious what models do you mean? I haven't seen such issues but given the Apples desire to sell new Macs it wouldn't be impossible.
This may well be true but it essentially means it's a very bad idea to install new OS until several updates have been released. While the same principle was mostly true in previous OS versions the sadly lacking instructions from Apple regarding install isn't helpful, for some reason they don't bother to mention backup in their instructions!
I am not a programmer so I cant say if issuing frequent updates is a smart idea or not. Personally I prefer OS that is released only when all major bugs have been squashed and which is supported longer than 1 year. Current release schedule isn't helpful when one values stability over new features...
This approach allows engineers to focus on whatever bugs are relevant and overall is better for project organization. It narrows developers bandwidth to focus on getting issues out. Its a less is more approach as developers will be able to churn out more over the course of a year instead of working on 1000 different things at once
You realize no regular user ever uses the command line right? I think everyone assumed UNIX still works! HAHA!
Next you'll tell me to go back to DOS?
I guess Apple servers are busy? I've not even been offered 10.11.4 yet! Or I'm last on the list since I file so many bug reports for them to ignore.
Interesting reactions to a simple statement of fact.
As for my opinion, I expect Apple has done to Disk Utility, what Apple has done with several applications in recent years, Apple trimmed RAID capability to get a new usable and working Disk Utility application out, and when Apple is ready, Apple will bring back RAID capabilities to Disk Utility. Using RAID on the other hand is a somewhat advanced feature, much like using the Terminal, so I would expect your "5%? 10%?" to be extremely low, perhaps more than 50%, and in general, might even find more people are comfortable with using the Terminal, than they are with using RAID, even in a GUI such as Disk Utility prior to El Capitan. But this is all speculation, we are clearly advanced users, the majority of Apple's customers are not, and will never use the Terminal, Disk Utility, or RAID, on their own Mac's.
Speaking of the Disk Utility in El Capitan, has anyone partitioned a USB flash drive with GUID?
When I partition a USB Flash Drive GUID Disk Utility will not let me re-partition the drive, only erase it.
There seems to be no way to get the drive back to Master Boot Record from within Disk Utility.
When I partition a USB Flash Drive GUID Disk Utility will not let me re-partition the drive, only erase it.
There seems to be no way to get the drive back to Master Boot Record from within Disk Utility.
That may be true.
I still don't think having OS X on a yearly schedule is a good idea. Unless Apple changes its priority it's likely 10.11 will not be stable enough for work use until .5 update. Once Apple releases 10.12 the whole mess will start again...
I am starting to get frustrated by this whole ordeal and will likely stay in Mavericks for several years because it's not worth my time to upgrade something that isn't broken and later OS versions have no real benefits for my needs.
As for the beta 10.11.4 I really hope Apple concentrates fixing bugs (Time Machine, Finder, Spotlight, etc.) instead of adding new features.
This is the year (well, technically 2015 was the year) I learned NOT to update my system with a .0 release ever again or run concurrently two systems on two drives for at least 6 months.
This.
The 12-month dev cycle has effectively reverted back to an unacknowledged 18-month cycle, just with a 6 month "real" Public Beta (and whereby the "Public Betas are effectively Alphas) until the .5 "stable" (and recently-historical, "last") version. Unfortunately, space/time hasn't changed, and so we aren't actually seeing cumulative 18-month over 18-month effort. Meanwhile, Apple draconianly pushes users into the new Public Beta via new hardware incompatibility, halo-features, and downright nagging (from Software Update). The end result is a farce. There is no reason why a 15 year old "platform" operating system based on a 10-year-old operating system (NeXTstep) rooted in a 30-year-old UNIX foundation (BSD) is seeing RAID support ripped from a disk utility and an email application that can't seem to find and display messages that are stored locally on hard disk, among many other mind-bogglingly obtuse bugs and issues reported. This is just beyond bizarre.
If Windows 7 had turned out this way, we'd all be laughing hysterically. Apple should be ashamed to be shipping this stuff. And its users will continue to ignore the quality problems at their peril. I've watched Apple crash and burn once, entirely a result of this kind of hubris; -I- am not so stupid as to believe a bigger pile of cash to burn will save them a second time.
Have had major problems with wifi on the first El Capitan betas... took me a long time to upgrade to the full El Capitan version... cause my Macbook Air is just a kitchen machine. But I did... and suddenly wifi worked perfectly. Then I did something foolish... upgraded to 10.11.4 Beta.
Now I'm back with the major wifi issues. Wifi will work for around 10-20 minutes and then hang. If I switch to another wifi (5 ghz) it will work for 10-20 minutes again – and then fall out. Very strange and very annoyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. Especially because I spend a lot of time in the kitchen at the moment!
Non of the other Macs or iPads attached to the network has problems. 4 Macs and 4 iPads – but never online at the same time. Only my Macbook Air will loose wifi.
If I use my iPhone to create a wifi – it works pefectly. Sooooo... I do that a lot at the moment.
Looking forward to 10.11.5 Beta. And probably 10.11.6 Beta... before it's fixed. Again.
Now I'm back with the major wifi issues. Wifi will work for around 10-20 minutes and then hang. If I switch to another wifi (5 ghz) it will work for 10-20 minutes again – and then fall out. Very strange and very annoyiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. Especially because I spend a lot of time in the kitchen at the moment!
Non of the other Macs or iPads attached to the network has problems. 4 Macs and 4 iPads – but never online at the same time. Only my Macbook Air will loose wifi.
If I use my iPhone to create a wifi – it works pefectly. Sooooo... I do that a lot at the moment.
Looking forward to 10.11.5 Beta. And probably 10.11.6 Beta... before it's fixed. Again.
So true. This yearly cycle forces users to buy new systems if they desire to run certain programs due to driver compatibility issues, especially production apps.
I am not a Windows supported by any means, but at LEAST for many many years a user could purchase a new system and put an older OS on it if the drivers work. If your cycle to buy is five years, you will purchase an OS X that is far away from what you are use too, plus software compatibility issues. Even a three year purchasing cycle sees a total change and software and third party hardware compatibility issues. Lessing the purchasing cycles has been the goal for Apple in making $, but very expensive to repurchase or upgrade third party and hardware etc.
If you could purchase a new Mac and put an older OS X on it, that would lessen our pocket books and lessen the land fills of old obsolete hardware that third party puts out. People say that this is not Apple's fault, but "Yes" it is. Yearly OS X cycles forces all to purchase and keep the machine going.
So don't upgrade they say...yeah right. If you NEED to buy a new computer, you are stuck with the minimum choice of OS of that model's year creation with no chance backward compatibility.
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Early word is that 10.11.4 fixes an USB clock timing issue with certain audio interfaces.
Interfaces that are affected that I know of are (but not limited to):
Line 6:
Helix
Rane:
Sixty-One
MP25
SL2
Sixty-Two
MP26
SL3
Sixty-Four
MP2015
SL4
Sixty-Eight
TTM57mkII
Interfaces that are affected that I know of are (but not limited to):
Line 6:
Helix
Rane:
Sixty-One
MP25
SL2
Sixty-Two
MP26
SL3
Sixty-Four
MP2015
SL4
Sixty-Eight
TTM57mkII