Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Apple Seeds First Public Beta of macOS 13 Ventura

MacRumors

MacRumors

macrumors bot
Original poster
Apr 12, 2001
68,142
38,916


Apple today seeded the first beta of macOS Ventura to its public beta testing group, allowing non-developers to test the new macOS Ventura operating system ahead of its release.

clock-weather-macos-ventura.jpeg

Public beta testers can download the macOS 13 Ventura update from the Software Update section of the System Preferences app after installing the proper profile from Apple's beta software website.

macOS Ventura introduces Stage Manager, a new multi-tasking option for focusing on a task while having other apps waiting in the wings. Stage Manager puts your main app front and center, tucking your other apps to the side for quick access.

Continuity Camera allows you to use your iPhone as a webcam for your Mac, offering much better camera quality than the built-in Mac camera. Apple is building special stands to hold the iPhone with a Mac, and there are neat features like Desk View, which uses the Ultra Wide lens.

Handoff now works with FaceTime so you can answer calls on the Mac and then transfer them over to another device, and Messages is gaining undo, edit, and mark as unread features. SharePlay now works in Messages in addition to FaceTime, and the Mail app has been overhauled. Search is more relevant, emails can be scheduled, and there's even an option to undo an email for up to 10 seconds after it's sent.

Apple brought the Weather and Clock apps to the Mac, redesigned System Preferences and renamed it System Settings, and added support for Shared Tab Groups. Passwords are being replaced with more secure Passkeys in iOS 16 and macOS Ventura, and there are updates to Spotlight, Visual Lookup, Live Text, and more.

There are a ton of other features in macOS Ventura, and we have a full rundown available in our dedicated macOS Ventura roundup.

Article Link: Apple Seeds First Public Beta of macOS 13 Ventura
 
Article Link
https://www.macrumors.com/2022/07/11/apple-seeds-macos-ventura-public-beta-1/
Build number is 22A5295i. It is also the revised beta 3 for developers. Why don’t they just call it beta 4? Maybe it is too close to the old beta 3.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Morod
Do I need to update to macOS Monterey 12.5 Beta 5 before seeing the macOS Ventura beta?

Update: Nevermind it showed up for me.
 
Is it possible to easily dual boot without having to use a VM on a Mac mini m1?
 
Funny Apple Man said:
That's odd, I wonder what makes the revised beta 3 different from the original beta 3. I'll install it anyways.
Click to expand...
Well it is odd that a build so close to the old beta 3 (build 22A5295h) be offered as an update. In the past such close updates could only be done with full installers.

So I reckon there must be significant enough changes in 22A5295i to warrant them giving the update to developers too.

There also was never a full installer for 22A5295h, only an ipsw file.

Now there is a full installer for 22A5295i as well as an ipsw.

So we can make a bootable usb for the updated beta 3, but not the original one.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Funny Apple Man
imnotthewalrus said:
I'm downloading now with Time Machine at the ready in case of WiFi (or other essential function) problems.
Click to expand...
You can use Time Machine to restore to a previous OS? I have an external flash drive plugged in 24/7 that does Time Machine all day long for me. I could potentially install and revert that easily?
 
  • Like
Reactions: PaladinGuy
4LSD said:
Is it possible to easily dual boot without having to use a VM on a Mac mini m1?
Click to expand...
If you're talking about being able to dual boot between Monterey/Big Sur and Ventura, then yes you can. The only caveat is that recovery mode will use Ventura beta build if you need to reinstall the OS and you can't downgrade it unless you use the Apple Configurator 2.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 4LSD and TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️
By the way, for folks who want to try out the beta mostly risk free (things can still go wrong with firmware but that's rare), APFS makes it really easy to create a second volume and install the beta there. You can even have Migration Assistant copy your home folder and settings over from the primary Monterey installation.

The two systems are separate with distinct home folders and you can choose which one to boot into on startup. This is something I wish iOS could do. Been playing with Ventura now for the past couple weeks and I can easily boot back into my main install if something is broken. It's been surprisingly good though!

Apple even sanctions it with a support article:

Use more than one version of macOS on Mac - Apple Support

If you install a compatible macOS on an additional internal or external storage volume, your Mac can start up from either volume.
support.apple.com support.apple.com
 
Last edited:
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: Maxis, djlythium, GQ Ukyo and 8 others
I'm on Monterey. How do I download the proper full installer? I'd like to test Ventura on another partition, but when I install the beta profile, the only thing I can do is download the update via Software Update, which is about 4GB, and it seems to process it as an upgrade, not offer the full installer? o_O
 
MinimeJer05 said:
You can use Time Machine to restore to a previous OS? I have an external flash drive plugged in 24/7 that does Time Machine all day long for me. I could potentially install and revert that easily?
Click to expand...
yup. I've never used a beta that was SO bad I had to revert, but carefully read all of the info at beta.apple.com and go (or don't) from there :) or better yet, Use more than one version of macOS on a Mac

Edit: for link
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️
imnotthewalrus said:
yup. I've never used a beta that was SO bad I had to revert, but carefully read all of the info at beta.apple.com and go (or don't) from there :)
Click to expand...
Keep in mind that the process is different than it used to be.

Before you could restore everything including the operating system itself from a Time Machine backup. You could even boot from it.

Now (Since at least Big Sur) you have to wipe the disk, reinstall the previous version of MacOS manually, then restore from the backup using Migration Assistant. It's a longer process that involves downloading the OS if you don't have a copy already handy.

Trying to make people aware as it's a bit more involved now.
 
  • Like
  • Wow
Reactions: maxoakland, dellaster, NoGood@Usernames and 1 other person
These are updated builds
  • iOS 16 beta 3 Update (20A5312j) - July 11, 2022
  • iPadOS 16 beta 3 Update (20A5312j) - July 11, 2022
  • macOS 13 beta 3 Update (22A5295i) - July 11, 2022

previously to devs
  • iOS 16 beta 3 (20A5312g) - July 6, 2022
  • iPadOS 16 beta 3 (20A5312g) - July 6, 2022
  • macOS 13 beta 3 (22A5295h) - July 6, 2022
  • watchOS 9 beta 3 (20R5316f) - July 6, 2022
  • tvOS 16 beta 3 (20J5328g) - July 6, 2022
 
  • Like
Reactions: tywebb13
KoolAid-Drink said:
I'm on Monterey. How do I download the proper full installer? I'd like to test Ventura on another partition, but when I install the beta profile, the only thing I can do is download the update via Software Update, which is about 4GB, and it seems to process it as an upgrade, not offer the full installer? o_O
Click to expand...
There is a full installer for the Ventura public beta (as well as version 2 of developer beta 3).

It comes with product id 012-38308 and if you go to the sucatalog and search for the InstallAssistant.pkg with that product id you will find it is at http://swcdn.apple.com/content/down...k7cxffui52ggv4xd3xbpwuuw/InstallAssistant.pkg

(see how the number 012-38308 is part of the link itself)

You kind of really have to know what you are doing to understand what I am doing here.

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, MrMacintosh made a website that makes this sort of stuff easier to find. The website is at https://mrmacintosh.com and you can navigate there to the stuff you want without having to bother with product ids or sucatalogs.
 
Last edited:
zorinlynx said:
Keep in mind that the process is different than it used to be.

Before you could restore everything including the operating system itself from a Time Machine backup. You could even boot from it.

Now (Since at least Big Sur) you have to wipe the disk, reinstall the previous version of MacOS manually, then restore from the backup using Migration Assistant. It's a longer process that involves downloading the OS if you don't have a copy already handy.

Trying to make people aware as it's a bit more involved now.
Click to expand...
Thanks for the update - I added the link that was shared to run 2 different operating systems.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️
zorinlynx said:
By the way, for folks who want to try out the beta risk free
Click to expand...
I appreciate you sharing your advice, but it's not entirely risk free. The firmware will be updated to a beta version regardless of where you install Ventura. I'm sure Apple will try to minimize errors, but it's still there. For instance, if the firmware update goes awry with a T2 Intel Mac, then you'll need a second Mac capable of capable of DFU mode to revert to the old version. So, public beta or not, there are risks involved.
 
  • Like
  • Wow
Reactions: chrisdazzo, panther quest, maxoakland and 2 others
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back