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Apple Seeds Fourth Beta of macOS 13 Ventura to Developers

anshuvorty said:
Good question:
  • Let me clarify: what I mean is, have they refined the UI so that the particular items are in logical places? Or reorganized the items so that they are in more logical locations? Because when I used Beta 3, the items were still mysterious and often in illogical locations, and I had to resort to using the search functionality to locate particular setting items. I don't want to have to search to find these items...
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And see, for me, everything about the old "Preferences" application was scrambled and out of place.
There were categories, none of which made sense.
Why was "Language & Region" in the same category as "Mission Control" and "Desktop & Screensaver"?
"Language and Region" should be with "Date and Time" and other related things.
Why was "General" all about random things to do with the system colors and buttons? Those aren't General, those are appearance, which is where they are in the new "Settings."
"General" now houses actual "General" things like Software Updates.

anshuvorty said:
Have they fixed the awful Settings app in this build? If not, then I may be skipping Ventura for good and just waiting on macOS 14 instead...
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A: macOS 14 won't change anything back to how it used to be.
B: You're not going to use an operating system simply because of a settings panel?
A settings panel you'll get used to after like... a week of using?
Ok...
 
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With beta 3 there was a bug when playing HDR video's with Iina. After one minute the screen brightness automatically lowered. Can someone check with this beta if the bug is gone?
 
Realityck said:

AppKit​

Deprecations​

  • Placing an NSToolbarItem item taller than the toolbar height is not supported and will result in clipping. When drawing a custom badge, use alignmentRectInsets of the control to describe where the button is and draw within the inset area. (94956438)

Calendar​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: The “Enable this account” checkbox found in Calendar > Preferences > Accounts won’t function for certain account types, such as iCloud or Google. You can still enable and disable Calendar accounts from System Settings > Internet Accounts. (93464496)

Clock​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: In the Clock app, you might not be able to type a digit into the timer hour, minute, or second fields. (92776027)

CoreGraphics​

Deprecations​

  • To improve security, CGImageCreate enforces parameter correctness on macOS 13 Ventura, iOS 16, iPadOS 16, watchOS 9, and tvOS 16. Passing an incorrect CGImageByteOrderInfo is no longer supported, and will result in images failing to load. (94855401)

DeviceDiscoveryUI​

Known Issues​

  • Devices running beta 4 will not be backwards compatible with devices on previous seed releases. (95233878)

DVD Player​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: DVD Player crashes at launch on Intel-based Mac computers. (92734830)

Foundation​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: Using the inflection capabilities of AttributedString(localized:…) in conjunction with a quantity won’t work for text written in the Spanish language. (93126015)

Game Controllers​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: Motion controls for the DualShock 4 and DualSense wireless controllers can not function correctly. (93671115)

Kernel Management​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: Users on Apple Silicon Macs can experience a panic when updating to macOS 13 Ventura (94484697)

Mail​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: When searching for words that contain diacritics, suggestions for some languages might display apostrophes instead of accented characters. (92679833)
  • Fixed: After updating to iOS & iPadOS 16 beta, it might take 24 hours or longer until search features function as expected. (61137313)
  • Fixed: Searching for “me” doesn’t show suggestions for yourself or your “me” card. (93228606)
  • Fixed: Pasting text into the search field and searching via Search Mail for Contact on a contact card doesn’t work in languages other than English. (93613150)
  • Fixed: The High Priority Mail search suggestion isn’t available. (93266352)
  • Fixed: Mail Search doesn’t offer many temporal suggestions. (93109504)
  • Fixed: Send Later always offers Send Now, Send Tonight, Send Tomorrow Night, and Send Later (custom option), without the refinement to have more awareness of the current time. (93925346)
  • Fixed: Searching using the NOT Boolean operator doesn’t work. (93230372)
  • Fixed: Notifications for fired Remind Me messages don’t appear. (90661689)

Known Issues​

  • Moving a Remind Me message to another mailbox doesn’t remove the Remind Me banner. (93685824)
  • Highlighted search snippets might stay visible after closing search. (91830631)
    Workaround: Switch mailboxes to refresh the list.

MapKit​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: Apps compiled for Intel-based Mac computers while running in Rosetta 2 on a Mac with an M1 chip might encounter MapKit map views with a black base map. (93589887)

Metal​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: When using the new Metal mesh shaders feature, render pipeline state objects (PSOs) created with a mesh shader stage but without a object shader stage can fail to compile or fail to work correctly on some devices. (89836551)
  • Fixed: When using mesh shaders on Apple Silicon, mesh shader invocations or geometry output can be unexpectedly dropped on large workloads when calling set_threadgroups_per_grid from only a single thread in the threadgroup in a object shader or when calling set_primitive_countfrom only a single thread in the threadgroup in a mesh shader. (94376391)

Known Issues​

  • The MTLResource.gpuHandle is deprecated. (92862429)
    Workaround: Use gpuResourceID instead, which functions as a replacement.

Metal Offline Compiler​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: AppStore TestFlight distribution of apps with Metal Offline Compiler GPU binaries fails and results in validation errors. (93124006)
  • Fixed: Adding a pipeline descriptor that uses MTLLinkedFunctions to a MTLBinaryArchive is unsupported and has undefined runtime behavior. (90776424)
  • Fixed: When using Metal mesh shaders on a device with Apple silicon, object or mesh shaders producing large amounts of output data can result in incorrect rendering and device instability. (93797539)
  • Fixed: When using Metal mesh shaders on a device with Apple silicon, vertex buffers set at indices 29 or 30 can become unset after calling any of these methods: drawMeshThreadgroups, drawMeshThreads, drawMeshThreadgroupsWithIndirectBuffer. (93797408)
  • Fixed: When using Metal mesh shaders on a device with Apple silicon, graphics corruption can occur when emitting a metal::mesh with a large number of primitives and using the viewport_array_index, render_target_array_index, or primitive_culled per-primitiveattributes. (93797184)
  • Fixed: The names of classes in MetalFX headers don’t match WWDC session. (93712694)
  • Fixed: MTLFXTemporalScaler currently only supports an input resolution of ≥ 1280 x 720 and an output resolution of exactly 2x. Creating MFXTemporalScalingEffect with other attibutes returns nil for the object creation. (92913479)

Known Issues​

  • MetalFX effect outputs aren’t designed to be consumed by the CPU. Outputting to a texture that is read only by the CPU might result in synchronization issues. (91515075)
    Workaround: If a CPU reading of the MetalFX output is desired, instead of encoding the MetalFXeffect as the last item in a command buffer, encode a dummy blit that consumes the MetalFXoutput texture (a 1-pixel region blit is fine) in the command buffer. After the command buffer with the dummy blit is finished, reading of the MetalFX effect output texture with CPU synchronizes correctly.

Networking​

Deprecations​

  • FTP is deprecated for URLSession and related APIs. Please adopt modern secure networking protocols such as HTTPS. (92623659)

Safari​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: Reordering a Shared Tab Group by one user reorders that Tab Group for every user in the share. (88779674)
  • Fixed: When the Show File Extensions option in Finder’s settings is checked, files cannot be renamed in the Save panel. (95241081)

Security​

Known Issues​

  • Prompts from installers and upgraders asking for user consent to manage apps are reduced in some scenarios. (94192721)

Stage Manager​

Known Issues​

  • With Stage Manager active, windows continue as the key window and receive key events when minimized. (94169311)

Stocks​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: The Stocks watchlist widget incorrectly shows Watchlist Deleted, but the watchlist is present in the app. (93070133)

StoreKit​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

Deprecations​

  • Deprecated the SKDownload API and removed the option to upload nonconsumable in-app purchase assets for Apple to host. In addition, support for managing these assets in App Store Connect is no longer available as of April 2022. (89764253)

Swift​

Known Issues​

  • Network.framework resolved an issue that could cause NWBrowser, NWConnection, NWConnectionGroup, NWEthernetChannel, NWListener, and NWPathMonitor to trigger a retain cycle when various Handler blocks are set. Starting with macOS 13, iOS 16, watchOS 9, and tvOS 16, if software using Network.framework targets these releases as the minimum OS, the object releases any blocks they captured once cancelled, breaking the retain cycle. (89677097)
    Workaround: For software targeting older versions, the retain cycle can be broken by setting the handler blocks to nil after canceling the object.

SwiftUI​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: SwiftUI views log to the console [UIFocus] <typename> implements focusItemsInRect: - caching for linear focus movement is limited as long as this view is on screen. (93428139)
  • Fixed: Passing multiple children to a custom Layout fails to compile. (92914226)
  • Fixed: Pickers might appear empty and fail to update when the initial selection is bound to a value that doesn’t correspond to a tag. (92282222)
  • Fixed: Subitems in an OutlineGroup can display the layout incorrectly. (93248032)
  • Fixed: Both HStack and VStack no longer conform to Layout. (95611618)
  • Fixed: Pickers in Catalyst, optimized for Mac idiom, don’t display their labels. (93897594)

Known Issues​

  • A view-based NavigationLink in a List fails to update the visible selection of the list. (92193873)
  • Providing actions to a navigationTitle modifier has been deprecated. Use the toolbarTitleActions() modifier or ToolbarTitleActions type in a toolbar modifier instead. (93658035)

Swift Charts​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: Charts might crash after repeatedly rendering charts with cubic curve lines. (93476090)
  • Fixed: Audio graphs might appear unexpectedly on each bar in a bar chart. (93617442)

Known Issues​

  • Automatic accessibility elements aren’t yet available for marks other than bars. (92035605)
  • Audio graphs aren’t yet available for marks other than bars. (58689362)

System Settings​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: Network Account Server isn’t available in Users & Groups settings for macOS. (91719458)

Texts and Fonts​

Deprecations​

  • ATS and ATSUI APIs are fully deprecated. Code using these APIs will fail to compile and link when the deployment target is set to 13. Code targeting earlier versions of macOS will continue to compile, link, and run. macOS 13 is the last release where code depending on ATS or ATSUI will run. All runtime functionality will be removed in next major release of macOS. (83581159)

Third-Party Apps​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: Windows virtual machines (VMs) in Parallels might initially render black. (92891101)

Virtualization​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: If directory sharing is enabled for a macOS guest, the guest can become unstable. (95138139)

Wallet​

Resolved in macOS 13 Ventura beta 4​

  • Fixed: Devices running macOS can unexpectedly register for ordering tracking updates. (91342464)
  • Fixed: Some cells in the Apple Pay sheet might have an unexpected yellow tint in Dark Mode. (92171434)
  • Fixed: In an Apple Pay transaction, changing the shipping address might not recalculate the final amount if shipping charges apply. (93434317)
  • Fixed: The Touch ID glyph might disappear from the Apple Pay sheet. You might be unable to authorize the transaction. (93460787)
  • Fixed: Wallet & Apple Pay can be missing from System Settings after performing Erase All Content and Settings. (92108213)
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Wow that's a lot of fixes
 
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MacOS 13 dev beta 4
  • Safari Version 16.0 (18614.1.22.1.2)
  • System Firmware Version: 8419.0.151.0.1 (M1 based Macs)
  • Darwin Kernel Version 22.0.0: Wed Jul 20 01:51:52 PDT 2022; root:xnu-8792.0.188.141.3~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103 arm64
MacOS 13 dev beta 3 (same for PB updated)
  • Safari Version 16.0 (18614.1.19.1.5)
  • System System Firmware Version: 8419.0.113.0.1 (M1 based Macs)
  • Darwin Kernel Version 22.0.0: Tue Jun 28 20:48:02 PDT 2022; root:xnu-8792.0.134.131.2~1/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103 arm64
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
And see, for me, everything about the old "Preferences" application was scrambled and out of place.
There were categories, none of which made sense.
Why was "Language & Region" in the same category as "Mission Control" and "Desktop & Screensaver"?
"Language and Region" should be with "Date and Time" and other related things.
Why was "General" all about random things to do with the system colors and buttons? Those aren't General, those are appearance, which is where they are in the new "Settings."
"General" now houses actual "General" things like Software Updates.


A: macOS 14 won't change anything back to how it used to be.
B: You're not going to use an operating system simply because of a settings panel?
A settings panel you'll get used to after like... a week of using?
Ok...
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I think people just got used to the random categorization of the old system preference app as it largely didn't change much for 20 years. Personally I like the new layout as I can now see almost all options for a category in a single pane without having to scroll in a tiny window a few lines at a time or tab to a segregated view for a few more hidden settings.
 
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Anyone else experiencing Safari opening a new extra window in addition to previously open windows when you quit and reopen? This is with “Open all windows from last session” enabled and in a Private Window.
 
Monotremata said:
Unless there is some huge worldwide backlash, the System Settings are here to stay and macOS 14 isnt going to fix that for you.
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What they should fix though is the entire settings menu in tvOS. For instance: tvOS is the only OS that doesn't have 'software update' under 'general'. Very confusing. But that's a discussion for another topic.
 
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DinkThifferent said:
What they should fix though is the entire settings menu in tvOS. For instance: tvOS is the only OS that doesn't have 'software update' under 'general'. Very confusing. But that's a discussion for another topic.
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Hah now THAT I can get behind. We bought our 4K model maybe a month ago when Amazon had them on sale for $150 and yeah the Settings were a "WTF" moment when I was setting it up hah. Luckily about the only thing we ever actually do when its on is go straight to Plex/Vudu/Netflix and dont usually mess with anything else.
 
anyone got a guesstimate for the new public beta of Ventura.
or will they both be beta 4 now ?
 
Main driver ok. My audio production system continues to have some problematic 3rd party apps. It seems to be mainly privacy / permissions / launch agent based. I generally have to re-install them every time we get a new beta for everything to work. Some of them randomly. It’s like MacOS has to be reminded to let them run.

Apple built the wall higher, guess it mainly in 3P developers hands to jump high enough quickly enough now

Which is the whole point of the Dev Beta.
 
Is the boot time insanely long now just generally in ventura. My 14 MBP pro is easily booting up for nearly a min before things fall into place. SurfShark might be one that is slowing down the post OS load boot, but even the OS takes about 45-50 seconds to boot after this update.

I will wait for 24 hrs to see if there are any indexing processes but this is by far the slowest boot times ive seen across all the betas.
 
Powermetrics is broken on this beta, at least for my M1 Max. Crashes immediately when running from Terminal and causes tools like MX Power Gadget or Asitop to stop working. Bug report filed: FB10903489
 

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anshuvorty said:
Have they fixed the awful Settings app in this build? If not, then I may be skipping Ventura for good and just waiting on macOS 14 instead...
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anshuvorty said:
Sounds like they are reusing that often highly criticized rulebook again....they did it with the Butterfly keyboard debacle and doing it again here...
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It’s a company strategy to desperately merge macOS and iOS together without actually merging them together. Even to this day, I still find myself having hard time figuring out a setting I want to change if I don’t remember the exact path or word.

If you find this strategy irritating, I don’t think there’s a Lot of alternatives other than maybe going to Linux, which might also take a book or two from Apple’s strategy (talking about KDE settings app). It’s sad but it’s the reality.
 
anshuvorty said:
Good question:
  • Let me clarify: what I mean is, have they refined the UI so that the particular items are in logical places? Or reorganized the items so that they are in more logical locations? Because when I used Beta 3, the items were still mysterious and often in illogical locations, and I had to resort to using the search functionality to locate particular setting items. I don't want to have to search to find these items...
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I agree - there's a lot in places that have me scratching my head for a moment until I think I understand their thinking.
I don't think they can find a solution that appears logical to everyone, though.

For example, I really don't understand why the settings app is starting in "Appearance" of all things. Unless that's a bug on my machine.
I think it should start in "General" because it holds, you know, more _general_ settings.
 
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anshuvorty said:
Sounds like they are reusing that often highly criticized rulebook again....they did it with the Butterfly keyboard debacle and doing it again here...
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You haven't exactly explained what needs to be "fixed" about the new settings layout. But I think you know this.
 
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