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Apple Seeds Fourth OS X 10.10.4 Yosemite Beta to Developers, Public Beta Testers
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Yosemite has been nothing by problems for me
I have been a long time Mac OS X user since the Tiger release, and I have to say Yosemite has given me nothing but problems. The reason I originally moved to Mac OS X was because back in the days it was better then Windows XP, and Mac OS X was better then dealing with all the Linux X-Windows hacking. It seemed to me to be a dream Linux/Unix Desktop. But now with Yosemite I have changed my tune.
I have a Mac Pro 2006 running Snow Leopard and it has been rock solid (can runs months at a time without any crashes or issues). Snow Leopard seems to have been the last quality desktop OS release from Apple. I am glad my Mac Pro 2006 didn't support anything past Snow Leopard (due to not having a 64 bit EFI). I was using that computer until recently when I moved to using 2 MacBook Pro's (a 2012-mid, and 2013-late).
First issue I ran into running Mavericks was when I plugged a external high-resolution Apple Display into the 2012 it would randomly just mess up, sometimes requiring me to reboot to get it to come back up. I looked into everything and couldn't find a fix. I then ran into a iCal bug in Mavericks (which took me a long time to find). I decided to upgrade to Yosemite to see if it would fix those bugs. It did fix the iCal bug, the display issue continued. I then tried with a different display and it still had the issue, but instead of the display crashing it would just randomly drop signal to the monitor. Took to the Apple store and they replaced the logic board, but that still didn't fix. In addition to this issue, Yosemite has introduced a bunch of issues I didn't have in Mavericks. The whole OS will randomly completely crash (on both my Macbook Pros), which I have been reporting to Apple. Sometimes when I move to another screen, all the desktop icons are gone. If I move off that screen and back to it they appear. Sometimes I have messed up artifacts in the display (even took video of it), which requires a reboot to get rid of them. Not only do these issues happen on one Macbook, but both (except the external display issue only happens on the 2012 Macbook).
So finally frustrated and running out of ideas, I had one last test. One the Macbook 2012 I installed Windows 7 dual boot using Bootcamp. Since using Windows 7 I have encountered "zero" issues. The display issue I was having is gone. I even have to admit the system GUI response even feels faster running in Windows 7. It just feels more snappy overall. This is even after I installed the exact apps, and based my usage exactly to the way I used the Mac install.
So I have decided Mac OS X has become worst then Windows, even running on their own hardware. I am looking forward to Windows 10, and will probably consider giving Microsoft a second look after all the issues I have had with my Apple hardware recently (the exceptions being my AppleTV and Mac Pro 2006 system running Snow Leopard). I mostly blame this on when Apple increased their release schedule. Releasing a new major OS version every year is too fast, and their quality has went downhill since, at least in my experience. To anyone not having issues, feel lucky, and I wish I was you. The fact some of the issues appear on 2 different systems, and when 1 system got Windows 7 installed it worked flawless, tells me Mac OS X has some quality issues. I hope the rumors are true and the next release concentrate more on stability then features, like the release Snow Leopard was. For me all the OS releases after Snow Leopard have added more bugs then features I actually needed. If all the new software supported Snow Leopard, I would probably just continue to use that on all my Macs.
I have been a long time Mac OS X user since the Tiger release, and I have to say Yosemite has given me nothing but problems. The reason I originally moved to Mac OS X was because back in the days it was better then Windows XP, and Mac OS X was better then dealing with all the Linux X-Windows hacking. It seemed to me to be a dream Linux/Unix Desktop. But now with Yosemite I have changed my tune.
I have a Mac Pro 2006 running Snow Leopard and it has been rock solid (can runs months at a time without any crashes or issues). Snow Leopard seems to have been the last quality desktop OS release from Apple. I am glad my Mac Pro 2006 didn't support anything past Snow Leopard (due to not having a 64 bit EFI). I was using that computer until recently when I moved to using 2 MacBook Pro's (a 2012-mid, and 2013-late).
First issue I ran into running Mavericks was when I plugged a external high-resolution Apple Display into the 2012 it would randomly just mess up, sometimes requiring me to reboot to get it to come back up. I looked into everything and couldn't find a fix. I then ran into a iCal bug in Mavericks (which took me a long time to find). I decided to upgrade to Yosemite to see if it would fix those bugs. It did fix the iCal bug, the display issue continued. I then tried with a different display and it still had the issue, but instead of the display crashing it would just randomly drop signal to the monitor. Took to the Apple store and they replaced the logic board, but that still didn't fix. In addition to this issue, Yosemite has introduced a bunch of issues I didn't have in Mavericks. The whole OS will randomly completely crash (on both my Macbook Pros), which I have been reporting to Apple. Sometimes when I move to another screen, all the desktop icons are gone. If I move off that screen and back to it they appear. Sometimes I have messed up artifacts in the display (even took video of it), which requires a reboot to get rid of them. Not only do these issues happen on one Macbook, but both (except the external display issue only happens on the 2012 Macbook).
So finally frustrated and running out of ideas, I had one last test. One the Macbook 2012 I installed Windows 7 dual boot using Bootcamp. Since using Windows 7 I have encountered "zero" issues. The display issue I was having is gone. I even have to admit the system GUI response even feels faster running in Windows 7. It just feels more snappy overall. This is even after I installed the exact apps, and based my usage exactly to the way I used the Mac install.
So I have decided Mac OS X has become worst then Windows, even running on their own hardware. I am looking forward to Windows 10, and will probably consider giving Microsoft a second look after all the issues I have had with my Apple hardware recently (the exceptions being my AppleTV and Mac Pro 2006 system running Snow Leopard). I mostly blame this on when Apple increased their release schedule. Releasing a new major OS version every year is too fast, and their quality has went downhill since, at least in my experience. To anyone not having issues, feel lucky, and I wish I was you. The fact some of the issues appear on 2 different systems, and when 1 system got Windows 7 installed it worked flawless, tells me Mac OS X has some quality issues. I hope the rumors are true and the next release concentrate more on stability then features, like the release Snow Leopard was. For me all the OS releases after Snow Leopard have added more bugs then features I actually needed. If all the new software supported Snow Leopard, I would probably just continue to use that on all my Macs.
One of the biggest changes in 10.10.4 beta 4 is that Apple has replaced the discoveryd process with mDNSResponder, the process that it previously used for networking.
http://9to5mac.com/2015/05/26/apple-...with-yosemite/
Ah ha! That's the first confirmation that I've seen where turning on Bluetooth fixes the problems. I had to do that on a Mac mini running 10.7, as well.
Turning off Bluetooth has fixed the problem for me since 10.9, but on Yosemite it started to annoy me as you need Bluetooth to use Handoff, but oh well, better to have a stable connection than Handoff I guess
Old school C code for the win
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Completely agree that most of the features added since Snow Leopard really mean nothing to me and never get used except the performance improvements that went into Mavericks but those are hard to quantify and may not even truly perform any better as far as I can tell. I certainly do not stress the OS enough into seeing any differences there and having also upgraded laptops around the same time would be difficult to honestly compare. Would be nice to see some benchmarks running all the different versions of OSX on the same hardware to see what if any performance changes occurred across releases. Am guessing we would see a step function following the move to discoveryd in terms of network performance. I know I have had tons of network issues for ever since that change.
Time does not equal quality. With the exception to OS X 10.4-10.7 every other 'major' version of OS X before and after came about a year apart.
Out of those four OS X releases, only Snow Leopard seems to get praised and during that time I was constantly bashed on by other forum members in other sites when I had repeated issues with Snow Leopard including graphics kexts problems, loss of user account data, and Disk Utility breaking certain disk images. I was extremely upset. Up until 10.6.7 it was not much better than Leopard. Now every new OS version of OS X was better than Snow Leopard for me.
I'm sorry for your troubles with Yosemite. I just can not fathom why people are jumping on the Snow Leopard Bandwagon.
They aren't forcing Photos on all their users. If you were a previous iPhoto or Aperture user you are fine to keep on using them until Photos reaches feature parity. For those of us OK with the tradeoffs, we can migrate and move on.
That's weird, I guess we should call OS X Mavericks hardware from now on, since that does not have any issues.
Have you tried moving your wifi network to 5GHz and/or tried different wifi channels? 2.4GHz saturation is more likely your problem and moving wifi to 5Ghz will help. Yes, Yosemite is apparently less tolerant of this than earlier versions of OS X, but it's not purely a software issue and is not specific to OS X.
Yes that is true, time does not always equal quality. All I know is since Snow Leopard quality of Mac OS X has been bad for me (and friends), so I am not sure what happened for us. But if you had issues on Snow Leopard and on that same system updated to a new OS X and the issues went away, then something worked good for you in those updates.
Yes experiences do differ, but given the fact so many people are praising Snow Leopard goes to show something good about Snow Leopard for a lot of us. I am not reading too many good things about Yosemite at this time, and in my personally experience with my own systems and customers systems, I am always running into new bugs (like Mac Mail not saving setting changes I ran into the other day on a customers computer). So these issues I am having span over at least 5 different Mac systems recently, some completely new installs, and some upgrades from the prior OS version. So I have a good mix to realize these issues are not limited to a single machine, plus installing Windows 7 fixed all my issues on my personal Macbook Pro 2012-mid. I never had the same issues span over multiple systems with Snow Leopard, that I can say. Also Tiger was another release that seemed to work very well for me.
*sigh* Everyone who is experiencing the issue is using little snitch. Really, people cannot see the pattern emerging? Btw, Little Snitch has released an update:
https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/releasenotes.html
Don't blame Apple for people installing software that hooks deep into the bowels of the operating system then surprised when things go pear shaped.
I had a couple of panics yesterday with 3.5.3 installed, and unfortunately the computer isn't logging what's triggering them. I haven't had any today so fingers crossed that it'll be more stable.
Amen! I have always kept my home systems reasonable up-to-date, and currently have Mavericks on all systems except for Yosemite on my testbed (an MBA). I am still on Snow Leopard at my office, and probably will be until all the bits are used up. When Lion came out, I upgraded at home but held off at the office until stability set it. Before that happened, Mountain Lion came out. Before that stabilized, Mavericks came out. And so on. I can live with some flakiness in my home systems, but not my bread-and-butter work system. Apple needs a year-long hiatus on OS X major new features while it works on cleaning up the mess that is Yosemite. A one-year major upgrade cycle is insane.
Because they have short term memories or aren't actually long term OS X users like they claim?
Any person that truly believes OSX of the old days were fast are in denial. Apple didn't even spent any time on performance or responsiveness for years (until Mavericks). I remember particularly that leopard and lion were slow as shhhh, especially Mountain lion on the first gen retina Mac book pros. Oh my god it was bad.
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You call the old way of photo management via iPhoto, it just works?
It was the slowest, most clumsy and confusing method of managing photos, like ever.
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Yep that's my philosophy. Everyone in this forum that's seems to have major issue is either using little snitch or some Mac cleaner crap. It's ridiculous
Unfortunately far too many here will go into denial until they're blue in the face rather than accepting that maybe it was something that they did which destabilised their system. Yosemite has its issues but I'm always shocked at the number of people who flat out refuse to do a clean install, flat out refuse to accept that a piece of software they installed is causing 5 kernel panics per day etc.
Handoff
Hey, this is kinda weird, I have a 2011 iMac with this beta installed and today I got a call from my Mom and I got a notification that she was calling in the top right... That's Handoff right? It's not supposed to be supported on my iMac, it even says so in the system report. But I had her call me back, I answered it on my iMac, the little phone icon showed up on my iPhone and it seemed to be routing it to my iMac. I also tried it on my 2009 MBP with the same beta (and bluetooth hardware I believe) but no such luck.
Are they starting to add it to older models without Bluetooth LE? I mean, I don't see any reason a desktop computer should be required to have that for Handoff to work.
EDIT: Continuity, I meant Continuity, I always get those two mixed up.
Hey, this is kinda weird, I have a 2011 iMac with this beta installed and today I got a call from my Mom and I got a notification that she was calling in the top right... That's Handoff right? It's not supposed to be supported on my iMac, it even says so in the system report. But I had her call me back, I answered it on my iMac, the little phone icon showed up on my iPhone and it seemed to be routing it to my iMac. I also tried it on my 2009 MBP with the same beta (and bluetooth hardware I believe) but no such luck.
Are they starting to add it to older models without Bluetooth LE? I mean, I don't see any reason a desktop computer should be required to have that for Handoff to work.
EDIT: Continuity, I meant Continuity, I always get those two mixed up.
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This is likely due to AWDL. If you don't care for the various Continuity features, 'sudo ifconfig awdl0 down' will do.
solved my networking/bonjour problems beautifully
as we all suspected, going back to the mDNSResponder was the fix that was needed. Now let's hope there isn't "progress" again to ruin it!
no more airport drops
no more bonjour disappearing
no more problems with apple remote
no more problems with airfoil
very fast connections
====>note: I had to zap the custom location I had installed and go back to "automatic" to get everything working
as we all suspected, going back to the mDNSResponder was the fix that was needed. Now let's hope there isn't "progress" again to ruin it!
no more airport drops
no more bonjour disappearing
no more problems with apple remote
no more problems with airfoil
very fast connections
====>note: I had to zap the custom location I had installed and go back to "automatic" to get everything working
Personally I went with Mac OS X in the past so that the OS upgrades would be simple and pain free, and I wouldn't have to re-install the whole OS just to fix things. If I wanted that I would have stuck with Windows XP in the past and have the mentality I needed to re-install the OS just to fix issues (such as OS slowness). Personally I know I don't want to waste my time having to re-install the whole OS clean, and then re-install all the apps I depend on to get my job done. So for me that is a last case scenario, not my first thought. I am shocked you expect everyone to do clean installs for any issues that come up.
In my case I was in denial and it looks like I finally stumbled upon a good forum thread with other people having my exact issues (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7000724?start=0&tstart=0). Following the thread it looks like more and more the issue is with the Intel 4000 video drivers, since most people having the issue have Intel 4000 integrated graphics. I know with my system they already replaced the logic board, and I read other people having most of their whole system hardware replaced. So that seems to eliminate hardware issues. I know for myself it was a headache to fight the crowds (and take forever to get an open appointment) at the Apple store to get something replaced that didn't fix anything. Other users had clean installs of the OS and still exhibit the issue. So if it ends up being the graphics drivers which I suspect is the issue, I wonder how Apple is unable to make a stable OS in which they only have to support a limited amount of hardware. I run a dual boot with Windows 7 on that same machine and I have no issues at all. Makes me gain much more respect for Windows considering all the hardware it has to support. So based on my experience recently, it tells me Apple has a quality issue with the OS they need to get straight. I have Snow Leopard running on another machine that has been upgraded from multiple past OS'es, and I have way more software and hacks on that machine installed, and it is rock solid (including having Little Snitch). I have a 2 MacBooks with almost clean installs, and both exhibit various issues. So yes I do blame the OS quality in the recent releases, so much so I have been booting into Windows 7 and using it instead of Yosemite, since I need to get work done. I use the exact same software and use WIndows in the same way, and surprised how much more stable and responsive (GUI wise) Windows 7 is. I am a long time Mac OS X user and do prefer more of a Unix type OS system, but I am starting to grow weary of always trying to have to track bugs down to keep thing stable in the recent Mac OS X releases. As I said prior, I really hope the next release focuses more on getting things more stable so I am not forced to boot into Windows 7 to make the system run stable.
Maybe this has already been reported?
Has broken EasySIMBL
https://github.com/norio-nomura/EasySIMBL/issues/25
So my 2 favourite fixes not working: cosyTabs and cDock
Has broken EasySIMBL
https://github.com/norio-nomura/EasySIMBL/issues/25
So my 2 favourite fixes not working: cosyTabs and cDock
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