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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.2 and Java SE 6 Preview 8 for Leopard
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Does somebody has wi-fi issues?
Sometimes i am browsing and safari says i am not connected to the internet but I AM!
Is it just me or somey body else has the sam issues
i spent an hour on the phone with apple about this. here are a few things that fixed this for some people:
search for appleairport2.kext if you have this file, delete it.
Its a left over from an update that should have been removed by an installer.
If able, reinstall the keychain 1.0 update, has worked for some on other forums. I couldn't reinstall it though. Kept saying I wasn't eligible and I'm not terminal savvy or anything to force it.
My fix via apple care: Create a second user account. It actually worked. But if I delete the second user account, the problem returns. So for now I have the annoying feature of having to log in every time i boot, but it's oddly working for me.
Oh, and they acted to surprised about this issue. I said, "Really? The 600 posts on your own discussion boards haven't caught your eye yet, eh?"
I can foresee that the "Secure Empty Trash" problem won't get solved in 10.5.2
I am ready to call Apple AGAIN to address the problem.
How would it possible if you have 1 item in your trash can and it will become 5 items to be deleted in "Secure Empty Trash". That's just not acceptable, and how come they cannot catch this obvious bug in the initial release.
I am ready to call Apple AGAIN
to address the problem.How would it possible if you have 1 item in your trash can and it will become 5 items to be deleted in "Secure Empty Trash". That's just not acceptable, and how come they cannot catch this obvious bug in the initial release.
I feel the exact same way about the wireless situation. Mine has essentially not functioned, or has had very impaired functionality since 10.4.9 was released. I hope this is fixed soon.
Shawn
Apparently to the College Board, Java is a language. That is what they teach in the Computer Science curriculum.
Java is a steaming pile of McNealy Sun poop. I really don't care at all.
Apple should be focusing on more important issues like the wacky graphics drivers in Leopard; plus all the other roaches crawling all over the place.
Fix the foundation before working on useless fluff.
-mark
Apple should be focusing on more important issues like the wacky graphics drivers in Leopard; plus all the other roaches crawling all over the place.
Fix the foundation before working on useless fluff.
-mark
funny but ...
Almost every browser user I know (that bothers to change the settings in their browser at all), turned off Java support a long time ago. JavaScript may still be the preferred method for web action, but Java itself is an "also-ran" when you consider it next to other web technologies.
I've been waiting for that cross-platform Java promise to come to fruition since the first day it was announced all those years ago and it just has never, ever happened.
IMO, Java enthusiasts have about as much right to get upset about the "less-than-timely" inclusion of Java in OS-X, as Commodore 64 enthusiasts have to demand C-64 emulator support. In other words, it's nice that Apple et al., do still support Java, but (I think), kind of outrageous that anyone would criticise them for not being timely with it's inclusion.
Wake up and smell the coffee Java enthusiasts!
This is a funny cartoon and all, but nothing can really change the fact that what the Steve Jobs character says in it is essentially quite true. Java *is* a mostly useless, mostly un-used, bulky, ugly, etc. solution that has most *definitely* seen it's best day a long, long, long time ago.
Almost every browser user I know (that bothers to change the settings in their browser at all), turned off Java support a long time ago. JavaScript may still be the preferred method for web action, but Java itself is an "also-ran" when you consider it next to other web technologies.
I've been waiting for that cross-platform Java promise to come to fruition since the first day it was announced all those years ago and it just has never, ever happened.
IMO, Java enthusiasts have about as much right to get upset about the "less-than-timely" inclusion of Java in OS-X, as Commodore 64 enthusiasts have to demand C-64 emulator support. In other words, it's nice that Apple et al., do still support Java, but (I think), kind of outrageous that anyone would criticise them for not being timely with it's inclusion.
Wake up and smell the coffee Java enthusiasts!
Its far more likely, almost practically certain, that your $50 home router is at fault, and that you need a replacement
My "$50 home router" is a C2D Mac Mini, and my three Mac wireless home network was just fine until I ran the 10.4.9 updater, and ever since my MacBook hasn't been able to get a wireless connection worth a damn unless I roll back to 10.4.8, which cripples my .Mac compatibility ... which somewhat negates the point of having it, if my portable machine can't access my e-mail or iDisk away from home, doesn't it?
Did you miss the part about my 15 years of Mac use? You aren't to know that I've managed entire offices full of Macs, that I go back to System 7 and I have run multi-Mac networks including state of the art servers, and sometimes Mac Classics, but you ought to think long and hard about who you patronise.
Bah.
Jim
wah!
To all those staying with Tiger... what about Tiger bugs?
There are quite a few even after the latest update.
My favorite is that the "Cmd-H" key-stroke to hide the foremost application (and this is one of my fave commands in general), never quite worked right. Even after the 10.4.11 update, every once in a while "Cmd-H" just stopped working for a given program. The system simply lost track of the "hide" status of apps in the list. I started noticing this in the 10.4.3 release if I remember correctly and was greeted by it on every machine and every subsequent release.
So there is at least one, high-profile, in-your-face, easily repeatable, "happened to thousands of users," kind of bug in Tiger that presumably will *never* be figured out.
Too bad, so sad, that's what you get for using those "Computer" thingies.
Wah!
While I tend to agree in general, I think people are seriously forgetting that all OS's have bugs and that some of these never get fixed.
To all those staying with Tiger... what about Tiger bugs?
There are quite a few even after the latest update.
My favorite is that the "Cmd-H" key-stroke to hide the foremost application (and this is one of my fave commands in general), never quite worked right. Even after the 10.4.11 update, every once in a while "Cmd-H" just stopped working for a given program. The system simply lost track of the "hide" status of apps in the list. I started noticing this in the 10.4.3 release if I remember correctly and was greeted by it on every machine and every subsequent release.
So there is at least one, high-profile, in-your-face, easily repeatable, "happened to thousands of users," kind of bug in Tiger that presumably will *never* be figured out.
Too bad, so sad, that's what you get for using those "Computer" thingies.
Wah!
This is a funny cartoon and all, but nothing can really change the fact that what the Steve Jobs character says in it is essentially quite true. Java *is* a mostly useless, mostly un-used, bulky, ugly, etc. solution that has most *definitely* seen it's best day a long, long, long time ago.
Almost every browser user I know (that bothers to change the settings in their browser at all), turned off Java support a long time ago. JavaScript may still be the preferred method for web action, but Java itself is an "also-ran" when you consider it next to other web technologies.
I've been waiting for that cross-platform Java promise to come to fruition since the first day it was announced all those years ago and it just has never, ever happened.
IMO, Java enthusiasts have about as much right to get upset about the "less-than-timely" inclusion of Java in OS-X, as Commodore 64 enthusiasts have to demand C-64 emulator support. In other words, it's nice that Apple et al., do still support Java, but (I think), kind of outrageous that anyone would criticise them for not being timely with it's inclusion.
Wake up and smell the coffee Java enthusiasts!
Sorry, but you must be totally clueless when it comes to enterprise application development...I mean totally clueless. If you think Java is ONLY about running applets in the browser you are the one that is waaaaaaaay out of touch.
My company employs hundreds of Java developers and we have a billion plus dollars a year in revenue partly from those products. Not too shabby!
Having said that, I'm not the least bit worried about Java 6 taking a while to be available on the mac...it's not really that big a deal.
@ Virgil-TB2
I suggest you get an ADC account and report your bug to http://bugreport.apple.com/
@ Jim Campbell.
I suggest you contact Applecare, or file a bug report as well.
I can't say this enough, personally as a developer I love bug reports, you at least then know there is a problem. Also mostly even if they are fairly obvious they haven't been filed before, and if they are marked as a duplicate then you know its been considered.
If these issues occur with the same hardware/software configuration more than three times as Peace mentioned earlier. There is little point in complaining on this forum about issues (once you have confirmed that they aren't something you are doing wrong/a hardware issue).
I suggest you get an ADC account and report your bug to http://bugreport.apple.com/
@ Jim Campbell.
I suggest you contact Applecare, or file a bug report as well.
I can't say this enough, personally as a developer I love bug reports, you at least then know there is a problem. Also mostly even if they are fairly obvious they haven't been filed before, and if they are marked as a duplicate then you know its been considered.
If these issues occur with the same hardware/software configuration more than three times as Peace mentioned earlier. There is little point in complaining on this forum about issues (once you have confirmed that they aren't something you are doing wrong/a hardware issue).
Off topic, I know...but...
Wait a minute! Tell me, my eyes are not O.K.
So, I just ingested your information and found out, that you had only one account on your Mac. Are you freakin' serious?
O.K. Little reality check, in case nobody told you before:
NEVER ONLY USE ONE ACCOUNT ON A COMPUTER!
This applies to all OSes, be it Unix, Linux, Windows or Mac OS X. If you are really surfing the Web with an Admin account, then you are asking for serious trouble (all the security marketing hype aside).
Basically you should always have one admin account for maintenance and installing, and one user account for your everyday stuff. Don't worry, Mac OS X may also allow you to install Appz with your user account. You just have to identify as admin to drag stuff to critical folders (like the global Applications folder).
The procedure should always be: Install OS, create admin account. Install globally necessary Appz with the admin account. Create user account. Use the admin account for maintenance only.
I love my Mac, but honestly, Windows wouldn't have that bad of a reference, if only half of the people got accustomed to creating Admin and User accounts on there.
Wait a minute! Tell me, my eyes are not O.K.
So, I just ingested your information and found out, that you had only one account on your Mac. Are you freakin' serious?
O.K. Little reality check, in case nobody told you before:
NEVER ONLY USE ONE ACCOUNT ON A COMPUTER!
This applies to all OSes, be it Unix, Linux, Windows or Mac OS X. If you are really surfing the Web with an Admin account, then you are asking for serious trouble (all the security marketing hype aside).
Basically you should always have one admin account for maintenance and installing, and one user account for your everyday stuff. Don't worry, Mac OS X may also allow you to install Appz with your user account. You just have to identify as admin to drag stuff to critical folders (like the global Applications folder).
The procedure should always be: Install OS, create admin account. Install globally necessary Appz with the admin account. Create user account. Use the admin account for maintenance only.
I love my Mac, but honestly, Windows wouldn't have that bad of a reference, if only half of the people got accustomed to creating Admin and User accounts on there.
Sorry, but you must be totally clueless when it comes to enterprise application development...I mean totally clueless. If you think Java is about running applets in the browser you are the one that is waaaaaaaay out of touch.
My company employs hundreds of Java developers and we have a billion plus dollars a year in revenue partly from those products. Not too shabby!
Having said that, I'm not the least bit worried about Java 6 taking a while to be available on the mac...it's not really that big a deal.
I rarely post on here, but I'm one of those unique intersections of long-time mac user (since the 80's) and long-time software architect/java developers (10+ years). In the application server space, Java has no equal at present. That said, Mac's have no real footing in that marketplace. Companies run AIX/WAS, Solaris/WebLogic, or linux/jboss. It's also not a place where the latest JDK is ever used. Many enterprise apps are still using 1.4.2 JDK and are just switching over to the 1.5 JDK (not to be confused with Java 5 EE). Apple isn't a major player in the market, and what marketshare they do have doesn't require immediate adoption of the latest spec to come out of the JCP. That said, they need to determine what the long-term strategy for addressing the enterprise application-server space will be. Either fight competively or get out. Right now they are somewhere in the money-wasting-middle-ground.
On the other hand, java is less than ideal for client applications on any OS, but the Mac in particular. If you are going to do Swing- or Eclipe-based clients, then you definitely need the latest JDK's to get reasonable performance. Aside from the developer utilities (XML editors, Aqua Data Studio) most client-side java apps are custom for enterprise customers who have specific requirements that couldn't be met some other way. General-use software usually isn't java. In that realm, all of those Steve Jobs-bashing-java quotes are very apropos. When I come home and write home-grown software for my mac I use cocoa. Dogma rarely has a place in software. Tools are there to be used, and part of being a good developer is knowing which tool to use for the task at hand.
Done it. More than once. I am very aware that Apple have whittled down the numbers of people that have experienced this problem with various fixes and workarounds ...
I understand that there are problems resolving this issue - I've looked into it and its very hard find anything resembling a common set of circumstances, and that makes finding a solution pretty much impossible. But ...
But, there is some damn thing in 10.4.9 and 10.4.10 that breaks Airport in some MacBooks, that isn't in 10.4.8 and I can't believe that it's beyond the wit of Apple's software guys to figure out what it is and sort the damn thing out.
Cheers
Jim
So ... I have to have two accounts on my MacBook in order to get my wireless internet connection to work the way it's supposed to?
That is entirely, utterly, ridiculous. I am - and have been for a decade and a half - a Mac evangelist, defender and apologist, and your post embarrasses me.
I'm allowed to point out that Apple have dropped the ball on this one occasion, goddammit!
Cheers
Jim
Yep, we still use on a 1.4.2 JDK on our Solaris servers. Apple are not really competing in this market. XServes really don't cut it as 1U servers when the movement is all towards massive boxes that can be dynamically partitioned into "smaller" ones. That's a trick that, as of yet, OSX can't manage (and nothing to do with Java itself either).
Good for you, however if you've been through that I think its probably time to shell out $50 for a router, which is what most people use to connect to the internet so you are much less likely to have problems
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You forgot to throw in there that if burglars bust in my apartment, they can surf the web on sarfai too easily.... but safari 3 has built in burglar protection in leopard. it will crash on them enough they will just think its broken and not worth taking
Seriously though, much of what you said is like telling people to book 2 rooms in steerage on the Titanic.
If its going down, it's going down.
I take lots of precautions with my macbook however to make sure it's a bit more secure. (Though I don't find it necessary to have 2 user accounts!)
Windows.... I'll give you that one. It rivals swiss cheese in holes.
What utter bollocks. Try telling that to the many companies that develop client side, and enterprise server side applications.
When SJ was referring to Java, IMO, he was talking about Java applets. Java is alive and well on desktop, server side - webapps or invisible to user , and, cell phones ( read: the majority of cell phone games are developed in Java and perform very well ).
If SJ meant something different then he's totally clueless and you've fallen for the RDF, sadly. Java is used everywhere, you may not know it, but it is.
When SJ was referring to Java, IMO, he was talking about Java applets. Java is alive and well on desktop, server side - webapps or invisible to user , and, cell phones ( read: the majority of cell phone games are developed in Java and perform very well ).
If SJ meant something different then he's totally clueless and you've fallen for the RDF, sadly. Java is used everywhere, you may not know it, but it is.
This is a funny cartoon and all, but nothing can really change the fact that what the Steve Jobs character says in it is essentially quite true. Java *is* a mostly useless, mostly un-used, bulky, ugly, etc. solution that has most *definitely* seen it's best day a long, long, long time ago.
Almost every browser user I know (that bothers to change the settings in their browser at all), turned off Java support a long time ago. JavaScript may still be the preferred method for web action, but Java itself is an "also-ran" when you consider it next to other web technologies.
I've been waiting for that cross-platform Java promise to come to fruition since the first day it was announced all those years ago and it just has never, ever happened.
IMO, Java enthusiasts have about as much right to get upset about the "less-than-timely" inclusion of Java in OS-X, as Commodore 64 enthusiasts have to demand C-64 emulator support. In other words, it's nice that Apple et al., do still support Java, but (I think), kind of outrageous that anyone would criticise them for not being timely with it's inclusion.
Wake up and smell the coffee Java enthusiasts!
So, that brings me to the next question...
If this Java thing is so important, then how come I didn't even realize I was missing it until I stumbled onto this thread? I had just assumed it was there since it was in Tiger.
Yes, I'm running Leopard.
Are you a Java developer? Are you aware of what language the websites ( i.e., web applications ) you may use regularly are developed in? Are you aware of how wide spread Java is used? There are all sort of reasons why Java is important, overall, and on OSX.
I hope your not seriously suggesting because you don't find it important, that, everyone else shouldn't either.
Using OSX for development on a day to day basis is an absolute pleasure. Apple threaten this for many people because they choose to be lackluster about Java support. If Apple can't keep up with Java then they should let Sun instead develop the OSX version.
I understand that some people / corporations use it. My wife's office has a lot of remote stuff that done through websites and they also set up lots of web applications.
My main point, is that people who work in those environments and need those web applications usually have Windows machines (because that's what the corporations supply their employees for use). My wife's office won't even permit us to use Macs to access the information remotely or to remotely log-in to their server (even though the software to do so is available for free). They just will not support it, and provide pre-configured installers to run on the PC's (with hidden settings), so that we cannot obtain the information needed to manually setup a computer to log-in.
So, since they won't provide the settings, and they only provide Windows installers to configure the PC's, you can't use a Mac even though the software is available for the Mac (and for free) to get into the system.
Everything they do is with web apps. So, I'm aware of it's use in the business world. But, since many corporations mandate using computers they supply to perform business tasks, that takes a pretty good chunk out of the potential users.
The main point being, that your average web user isn't going to miss or notice the lack of Java support. I go all over the web, and really can't recall the last time a Java applet loaded.
English is my first language, and it isn't in my dictionary... because it isn't a word. I've never heard someone have the balls to say replicateable out loud. I'd gladly correct them if I did. His suggestion that it is ok to use because "who uses replicable" is one of the more laughable (laughingable?) things I've seen on MacRumors forums... and that's really saying something.