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One thing, I don't see under-the-hood changes in Leopard. For example, an under-the-hood change would be supporting addition hard disk formats (such as ZFS on the boot drive etc).

UNIX-03 compliance, multicore optimization of network layers, automatic TCP optimization, and security features such as sandbox options for applications and notifications of an application having been altered since it was installed.

Full 64-bit capability and Core Animation to match Core Audio, Core Video, Core Image, and Core Data. Resolution independence. Leopard has more changes coming to iChat’s framework, iCal’s framework, QuickTime’s framework, and Open GL improvements said to be staggering.
 
One thing, I don't see under-the-hood changes in Leopard. For example, an under-the-hood change would be supporting addition hard disk formats (such as ZFS on the boot drive etc).

While the changes are cute, I don't see anything a techy type would be impressed with (sort of like Vista, all eye candy and no "real" meat).

Feels more like a Service Pack to me :)

Comments like this baffle me.

Under the hood improvements are immense:

64bit
Core Animation
Objective C 2.0 / Xcode 3
Resolution independence
Partial ZFS support

Main ennd user enhancements

Time Machine
Boot Camp
Quick Look
Spotlight Help (this is wonderful)
Desktop sharing
Spaces
iChat theater/answer machine
Updated iApps
File recovery in Disk Utility


As well as a plethora of new features and improvements that are each small but add up to making Leopard far superior to Tiger (system wide todo and grammar check, boolean spotlight searches, share points, universal access, Front Row, stacks etc, tabbed terminal, parental controls, OpenDocument support, dictionary in Spotlight, etc)


What service pack gives you all of this? Its $130. A bargain and waaay more of an update than Tiger was. People seem to be expecting the second coming of Jesus.
 
I'd LOVE to be able to set a screensaver as a wallpaper... If some third party app can do it, why don't the implement it within the OS? It's a real eye-catcher!

...and it would tie in nicely to Steve's "...and there is an Ulimate version for $129!..."
 
Objective C 2.0 / Xcode 3
I think this will make it a lot easier for new programmers to come to the Mac.

Resolution independence
This, while more of a challenge for programmers, will pay dividends in the years to come. This is really about investing in the future. I don't know if Vista has this or not, but if it doesn't, in about 1-2 years the beauty of OS X on very high resolution screens will make Windows look really ugly.
 
Leopard Is Extremely Boring Right Now!! Apple Needs To Wake Up!!

i am an Apple Select Member too and I disagree. Leopard is boring. It's a huge let down. There is nothing "that" cool to get excited about. Time Machine? Are you kidding? Big f'n deal. Wow, we can backup our **** now. We did that ages ago. Stacks and grids is cool, but it takes you to Finder after one click!!! Boring! New iMovie won't even open! Transparent menu bar is horrible when you have a multi-colored picture with dark colors. Spaces? Who the hell needs this? Not most Mac users. Expose was the coolest thing Apple came up with in years., and there is nothing even close to this in Leopard.

Who agrees?


The above statement sounds like one from somebody who has not used Leopard yet. Once you use it your worries will be subsided.

OK, I am an Apple Select member so have had full legal access to Leopard for a while.

Firstly let me say that those who think apple have scaled back the upgrades in leopard I think you have it wrong. There may be a couple features that have not or will not make it but I think almost everything planed would have made it in.


Many features have not even been talked about on the internet, such as being able to have share points and share a folder as a share point in the Get Info dialog, tick a box your done, or you can add special access privileges for extra non system users for sharing only. Great! These sorts of features are what you will find all over the place as you use the OS.

Also the interface. The translucent menu is fine/great. You won't mind it at all once you start iusing it. At first I was worried about the menu bar and the itunes like finder. But let me tell you, once you have used Leopard there is no way you will want to go back. The finder is excellent. Quick views are great.

The one and only issue I have with leopard is actually the dock. They replaced the black arrow that indicates if an application is open, with an LED which is very hard to see. Nowhere near as clear. Hopefully this is fixed before release.


Over all I can tell you, you will LOVE leopard when it is released. The Finder especially is better than you expect.
 
transparent menubar and spaces

As a Linux user I'm really looking forward to Leopard. Once you get used to spaces (aka. virtual desktops on Linux) you can't live without. Spaces is actually the only thing I miss in Tiger.

I've also been using transparent menubar for 2 years now, and it really grows on you. Sometimes the text in menubar is less readable depending on the background image, but since I know my own desktop it doesn't really matter. And BTW Apple has made the menubar more elegant than the one in my Gnome desktop (gnome menubar doesn't have a shadow). On the other hand, you can set the amount of transparency in the gnome menubar.
 
MAKE THE MENU BAR WHITE AGAIN, BUT THIS TIME MAKE IT "HIDEABLE". LIKE YOU CAN HIDE THE DOCK. PROBLEM SOLVED.

Unfortunately they can't practically make the menu bar "hideable." You rely on it too much. If they did, it would take one extra step to do everything that you normally could have done with 0 steps. Like looking at the time, checking WiFi connectivity, power status, etc.. Plus it would be quite annoying waiting for the menu to pop up when you want to immediately access File or Edit or any of those buttons. Not to mention that when any window is up and you're not using the menu bar, you'll get an awkward looking waste of space above those windows
 
not to rain on anyone's parade, but doesn't coverflow on apps remind one of vista's flip 3d? slow, inefficient (at least for me) and just eye candy. this may work for music albums and movies, but not for this. same for the transparent menu bar and dock in a way.

i'll hold off on the new os for a while.

Ahh... that may be true if you are using the Finder on a laptop or desktop with the standard mouse/kb UI...

Where it makes perfect sense is on a tablet or other format with a touch screen, or a remote with some form of scroll/select UI-- say, for AppleTV or Home control devices.

So, Apple has given us an additional option and I bet they give us some places to use it where the UI will shine.
 
Can anyone comment on the stability of this version?

As in the previous build, any time I use Safari I get a beachball cursor and it freezes. I also had WoW freeze on me. I'd like to try more, but not being able to use Safari is pretty major to me.
 
How about lets have the Close button quit the application, and lets not have the Close button the same function as the Minimize function. Apple must of been smoking something serious.
 
How about lets have the Close button quit the application, and lets not have the Close button the same function as the Minimize function. Apple must of been smoking something serious.

How about no? i mean thats one of the basic underpinnings of OS X, the ability to leave an application running without any windows open.
 
The close button is not the minimize button. It actually closes that window. If you are working on a text file (MS Word) and you have not saved it, lets say, and you minimize a window (yellow button), it goes down to the dock, and you can open it up again (just like windows). But, if you close it, your work is gone. However, Word is still running, just that window is gone. To close it, you have to type Command+Q, or go to the menu bar. It is different from windows, but once you get used to it, it's perfectly fine.

They annoying thing is the green button. I am still not exactly sure what this does. When I have my web browser open I ALWAYS want it to fill the entire screen! That's why I payed to have this larger monitor. But, I always have to resize it, because good old green button thinks it knows how big I want my window. I also set the dock the the smallest size and to hide. That way, I can have a full screen app.
 
They annoying thing is the green button. I am still not exactly sure what this does. When I have my web browser open I ALWAYS want it to fill the entire screen! That's why I payed to have this larger monitor. But, I always have to resize it, because good old green button thinks it knows how big I want my window. I also set the dock the the smallest size and to hide. That way, I can have a full screen app.

The green button sizes the window at the ideal size, based on the website you are viewing, or whatever the ideal size for the window you are working in is. This is central to the window system OS X utilizes. So, in a sense, the green button does know how big you [should] want your window. If you want it filling the screen, you should be able to drag it to that size and then the green button should toggle between that and ideal size. I would disagree that the purpose of a large monitor is run every window as large as possible.
 
The close button is not the minimize button. It actually closes that window. If you are working on a text file (MS Word) and you have not saved it, lets say, and you minimize a window (yellow button), it goes down to the dock, and you can open it up again (just like windows). But, if you close it, your work is gone. However, Word is still running, just that window is gone. To close it, you have to type Command+Q, or go to the menu bar. It is different from windows, but once you get used to it, it's perfectly fine.

They annoying thing is the green button. I am still not exactly sure what this does. When I have my web browser open I ALWAYS want it to fill the entire screen! That's why I payed to have this larger monitor. But, I always have to resize it, because good old green button thinks it knows how big I want my window. I also set the dock the the smallest size and to hide. That way, I can have a full screen app.

I wouldn't mind if they added another button to quit the app. I hate that whenever I use my dad's computer, or just about everyone else who isn't very mac savvy, they always seem to have about every app running at the same time. A button that quit the app would be nice.
It's counterintuitive to quit the application when you close the window, why would you want the close button to quit the app? wouldn't you just want the 'close window' button to close the window? That's why a quit app button would be nice, But I don't know how they would implement this, I wouldn't want a fourth button in the top of the window I may accidentally hit.
 
How about lets have the Close button quit the application, and lets not have the Close button the same function as the Minimize function. Apple must of been smoking something serious.

I think most OS X users would be really upset about this change (which would never happen). Being able to have a program run without an open window is a feature that is so obvious, it boggles my mind that all OS's don't have it. I use it constantly for Mail, NetNewsWire, Transmission, and several others. To take it away would mean one less option.
 
All this negative talk about Leopard makes it seem like it's simply a visual upgrade. I can see how this is the case from a user stand-point since all they see is additions like Time Machine and Spaces which could feasibly be added with simple applications. They also see the new dock/menu bar which they categorize as simply eye candy. Of course there is some eye-candy added as well (who doesn't like eye candy, seriously) since they do have to directly compete with Vista's new GUI. At least Apple puts a lot of research into these changes so that it makes sense from a usability stand point. For example, have any of you noticed that with the new transparent menu bar, the desktop actually takes up the whole screen now and is the furthest element from us, like a desktop should be?

But anyway, Leopard has much more value "under the hood" in comparison to all the other OSes out there. The additions not only make OS X better/faster, but developers will now be able to use many new features (Core Animation anyone?) in their programs and make the best apps ever made for a computer. The apps we user right now don't fully utilize these features yet so of course it seems like Leopard brings nothing new to the table. Just wait until it is released and the new versions come out, I think we'll be gladly surprised then.

I guess the problem is that all the people discussing Leopard here are probably not real developers and just want early access to a work-in-progress OS expecting a production level release.
 
i am an Apple Select Member too and I disagree. Leopard is boring. It's a huge let down. There is nothing "that" cool to get excited about. Time Machine? Are you kidding? Big f'n deal. Wow, we can backup our **** now. We did that ages ago. Stacks and grids is cool, but it takes you to Finder after one click!!! Boring! New iMovie won't even open! Transparent menu bar is horrible when you have a multi-colored picture with dark colors. Spaces? Who the hell needs this? Not most Mac users. Expose was the coolest thing Apple came up with in years., and there is nothing even close to this in Leopard.

Who agrees?

Are you kidding me? What were you expecting to get from them? Spaces is an amazing addition. It's the best virtual desktop implementation I've seen to date. Spaces + Exposé is a magnitude more powerful than Exposé on it's own. And yes there have been backup solutions out there for ages. How many people on this forum actually used them? I don't, I just zip important stuff when I get round to it. Time Machine is going to save a lot of problems. It's a far better release than Tiger which was rather dull

And as someone with an ADC account I'd assume you are a developer. Given all the new developer stuff how can you say that Leopard is uninspiring. It's probably the most significant upgrade for developers since the developer previews of 10.0. Xcode 3, IB 3, Xray, Obj-C 2.0, 64 bit, official support for Ruby and PyObj-C bridges, iChat Theatre, Calendar Store, Scripting Bridge, Core Animation plus a lot more that's still under NDA and you're still not happy? I ask again, what were you expecting from them?
 
Features

:apple:Desktop
From the menu bar to the stunning new Dock, the Leopard desktop isn’t just about design. It’s about enjoying the time you spend on your computer and getting more out of it.

Start from the top. The menu bar hovers transparently above your workspace, letting the desktop image — perhaps a favorite from your iPhoto library — take center stage. Dock icons rest on a reflective floor with a bright active application signal. And the look of Leopard extends to all applications: Every window has a consistent design theme, and active applications are even more distinct, casting deeper shadows.

Take a look at your desktop. Is it cluttered with files you downloaded or saved there (somewhat less than) temporarily? You're not alone. Everybody does it. Time to clean house with Stacks — a brand-new feature in Leopard. Create Stacks from anything you want to access quickly from one place: a handful of documents, a group of applications, an entire folder. Files you download in Safari or save from an email are automatically directed to a Stack in the Dock, and when the download is complete, the Stack signals that a new item has arrived. When you want to see the files in a Stack, all you have to do is click — Stacks spring open from the Dock in an elegant arc for a few items, or in an at-a-glance grid for more. Pretty neat.

:apple:Finder
Imagine if browsing the files on your Mac was as easy as browsing music in iTunes. That’s the idea behind the new Finder in Leopard. Now you can access everything on your system from an iTunes-style sidebar and flip through your files using Cover Flow.

Leopard brings new power to your old friend, the sidebar. Now items are grouped into categories: places, devices, shared computers, and searches — just like the Source list in iTunes. So with a single click, you’re on your way to finding what you need.

Bring your files to life with Cover Flow in the Finder. Just as you use Cover Flow to flip through album art in iTunes, now you can use it to flip through your files. Cover Flow displays each file as a large preview of its first page. And you can page through multipage documents or play movies.

Stop looking and start finding with Cover Flow and Spotlight. Click a prebuilt search like “yesterday” or “all images” in the sidebar and Cover Flow displays your search results in the perfect at-a-glance format. Leopard comes with a number of helpful prebuilt searches, but it’s easy to create your own customized searches as well.

With shared computers automatically displayed in the sidebar, it’s far easier to find or access files on any computer in your house, whether Mac or PC. All it takes is a click. But here’s where things get really interesting. By clicking on a connected Mac, you can see and control that computer (if authorized, of course) as if you were sitting in front of it. You can even search all the computers in the house to find what you're looking for.

ver need something on your Mac when you were thousands of miles from home? With Back to My Mac and a .Mac account, you can connect to any of your Macs at home from any Mac on the Internet. Your home computers will appear in the shared section of the sidebar just as they do when you’re in the living room.

From the Finder or the menu bar, Spotlight in Leopard lets you search for more specific sets of things. Use Boolean logic to narrow search results by entering “AND,” “OR,” or “NOT” into a search request. You can also search for exact phrases (using quotation marks), dates, ranges (using greater than [>] and less than [<] symbols), absolute dates, and simple calculations.

:apple:Quick Look
sing Quick Look in Leopard, you can view the contents of a file without even opening it. Flip through multiple-page documents. Watch full-screen video. See entire Keynote presentations. With a single click.

So you’re flipping through files in the Finder. But you’re looking for something specific and you don’t have time to open lots of files to find it. Enter Quick Look. It gives you a sneak peek of entire files — even multiple-page documents and video — without opening them.

uick Look works with nearly every file on your system, including images, text files, PDFs, movies, Keynote presentations, and Microsoft Word and Excel files. Click the Quick Look icon or tap the Space bar to see a file in Quick Look. Then click the arrow icon to see the same file full screen — even video as it plays.

:apple:Time Machine
ore than a mere backup, Time Machine makes an up-to-date copy of everything on your Mac — digital photos, music, movies, TV shows, and documents — so you can go back in time to recover anything.

You can start using Time Machine in seconds. The first time you attach an external drive to your Mac, Time Machine asks if you’d like to use that drive as your backup. Say yes and Time Machine takes care of everything else. Automatically. In the background. You’ll never have to worry about backing up again.

Time Machine keeps an up-to-date copy of everything on your Mac. That includes system files, applications, accounts, preferences, music, photos, movies, and documents. But what makes Time Machine different from other backup applications is that it not only keeps a spare copy of every file, it remembers how your system looked on any given day — so you can revisit your Mac as it appeared in the past.

Enter the Time Machine browser in search of your long-lost files and you see exactly how your computer looked on the dates you’re browsing. Select a specific date, let Time Machine find your most recent changes, or do a Spotlight search to find exactly what you’re looking for. Once you do, click Restore and Time Machine brings it back to the present. Time Machine restores individual files, complete folders, or your entire computer — putting everything back the way it was and where it should be.

With a hard disk connected to your AirPort Extreme Base Station, all the Macs in your house can use Time Machine to back up wirelessly. Simply select your AirPort Disk as the backup disk for each computer and the whole family can enjoy the benefits of Time Machine.

Customize Time Machine by modifying the following behaviors in System Preferences:
Backup disk. Change the drive or volume you’re backing up to. Or back up to a Mac OS X Server computer.
Do not back up. By default, Time Machine backs up your entire system. But you can also select items you’d rather not back up.
Encrypt backup data. Turn on encryption to store your backup securely.
Backup storage time limits. Manage older backups so your backup drive doesn’t fill up.

:apple:Spaces
You do a lot on your Mac. So what happens when projects pile up? Easy. Use Spaces to group your windows and banish clutter completely. Leopard gives you a Space for everything and puts everything in its Space.

Create a Space for work. Create a Space for play. Organize each Space the way you want it just by dragging in windows. Keep all your work projects in one Space and that fun flick you made in iMovie in another. Create a communication Space for iChat and Mail. You can even rearrange your Spaces with drag-and-drop ease — shift a Space and every window in it comes along for the ride.

Moving from Space to Space is easy. Get a bird’s-eye view and select the Space you want or toggle between Spaces using the arrow keys. Even the Dock is down with Spaces: When you click a Dock icon, Leopard whisks you to the Space (or Spaces) where you have that application open.

This product has not been released yet. All features mentioned above are subject to change

:apple:Installation Requirements
Minimum MAC Processor Supported PowerPC G5
Minimum MAC HD Space Required 3 GB
Additional Processor Information PowerPC G3, G4 or G5 processor
Optical Drive Type Required DVD
Packaging
Package Type Retail
Type of Distribution Media DVD
Licensing
License Type Complete Package
Program Pools Systems
Number Of Users 1
Additional Information
Package Contents Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard - Single User
 
The concept isn't logical yet. If I am working in Max, or Reason, and I need to run to Safari to get a reference picture set, or some samples, and have just ONE window of safari up, and I'm finished getting whatever, and I close with the close button, I don't want an instance of an open Safari running. If it is one window running, the close button needs t quit the dam application, and not hide it. If I wanted to hide one window, I would minimize it. Now if I had two windows up, closing one window only makes sense, don't minimize the ****ing window. I didn't ask to minimize to dock, I asked for a closing of the window. I think Apple screwed up there.

I think most OS X users would be really upset about this change (which would never happen). Being able to have a program run without an open window is a feature that is so obvious, it boggles my mind that all OS's don't have it. I use it constantly for Mail, NetNewsWire, Transmission, and several others. To take it away would mean one less option.
 
As in the previous build, any time I use Safari I get a beachball cursor and it freezes. I also had WoW freeze on me. I'd like to try more, but not being able to use Safari is pretty major to me.

Thats really weird because I have the exact same hardware as you and I have no problems with Safari.

you sure you don't have a pirated version of Leopard?
 
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