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Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Build 9A500n

superspiffy said:
I don't know what some of you are whining about that transparent menu bar. It has to be transparent for the wallpaper to fully show. There's no other way. Would you rather slap a sharp white-grey border on top of your beautiful desktop picture?
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I would not have a problem with them toying aroung with gimmicky features and unnecessary resource suckers like the transparent bar and cover flow in the finder, if they could get more vital stuff working first.

For example, i can't make it a universal setting to display finder windows using spatial navigation. Every new USB stick/external drive etc, is displayed with "browser finder". I have been praying to His Steveness since OS X 10.3 for that tiny little thing.
 
superspiffy said:
True. They must find a way to make it legible no matter what the background is. And do you mean that the white border is now permanent on your LCD?
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I could see a few things that were permanent. The most easily noticed was the Spotlight icon. I'm not sure at this point how much of the menu bar itself was visible when there isn't anything there. It was certainly shocking to me.

I'd be surprised that it's happening over many systems but it would certainly explain their desire to hide the menu bar.
 
Solution To Transparent Menu Bar

MAKE THE MENU BAR WHITE AGAIN, BUT THIS TIME MAKE IT "HIDEABLE". LIKE YOU CAN HIDE THE DOCK. PROBLEM SOLVED.




superspiffy said:
I don't know what some of you are whining about that transparent menu bar. It has to be transparent for the wallpaper to fully show. There's no other way. Would you rather slap a sharp white-grey border on top of your beautiful desktop picture?
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New Leopard Seed Won't Install For Me

No matter how may times I try, the new Leopard Seed will not install.
It goes through the whole process and restarts etc, but i finally get to the desktop after restart, and click on About This Mac, it still says 9A499.
And, when I click on Software Update, the new seed appears everytime.
 
bj3949 said:
No matter how may times I try, the new Leopard Seed will not install.
It goes through the whole process and restarts etc, but i finally get to the desktop after restart, and click on About This Mac, it still says 9A499.
And, when I click on Software Update, the new seed appears everytime.
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You should contact ADC. They'll help you with that.
 
superspiffy said:
True. They must find a way to make it legible no matter what the background is. And do you mean that the white border is now permanent on your LCD?
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They would have probably used the effect Vista uses around text on the transpartent windows if MS hadn't used it first.
 
lhawkins said:
I think they definitely planned for this release to be much, much bigger. Last year when Steve said he was holding back some "secret" features so that others couldn't start copying so fast, he made it seem like there was something worth copying waiting in the wings. At the WWDC he went over the same features he'd already covered months earlier. There was nothing new announced at the WWDC that really seemed worth all the hype. It just didn't seem like Steve's normal style... rehashing things we already know without any new amazing eye candy!
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I totally agree. I was also extremely dissapointed, and I think it was embarrasing for Steve to show the exact same things as a year before. He promised secret features. Maybe they are secret until launch.
 
aspro said:
Man, I wish it could come out sooner and I hope the menubar transparency is controlled by a toggle somewhere in the preferences. Though, maybe it'll grow on me.
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As long as you can change font color on it aswell (which I guess one can, if not that would be very stupid) I think it can be made to look awesome with the right wallpaper. And of course it will be toggable ;/
 
Instead of focusing on all that gimmicky stuff they should try really hard to make 10.5 as bugfree as possible so that we wont already have to download 10.5.1 the same day the OS is released (that happened with 10.4). And they should also use their time on optimizing like hell to get an OS as fast as possible.
 
I love everything about the look of Leopard apart from one thing. The blue dot under the apps in the dock. I actually think it's been poorly implemented.
 
Kaptajn Haddock said:
Instead of focusing on all that gimmicky stuff they should try really hard to make 10.5 as bugfree as possible so that we wont already have to download 10.5.1 the same day the OS is released (that happened with 10.4). And they should also use their time on optimizing like hell to get an OS as fast as possible.
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Well not entirely true, 10.4.0 was released on 29th April and 10.4.1 was released on 16th May.

I was hoping that stacks worked with the dock on the side but looks like we are left with overflow (i know that it is part of stacks but i'm referring to the different views)

I agree with the person who said that with the dock on the side it looks like the icons should fall off.

I didn't have any trouble with 10.4.0, in fact my tiger troubles only started when I switched to intel. This should be sorted this time around and I will be preordering it. Looking forward to get my latest pet.
 
decksnap said:
That's one big-assed toggle switch.
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If the purported screenshot is real, you shouldn't think of this as a replacement for a radio button or typical toggle control. This is the re-birth and Aqua update of that kick-a** "Frankenstein switch" from the NextStep days. (Sorry, no screenshot handy, but it's commonly shown in old NextStep screenshots, esp Interface Builder ones).

The idea wasn't to use it as a control to toggle between two common options, this was a control to show the user this one choice effects either a huge number of differences or one very important difference. I think having automated back-up turned on or off fits both the "huge" and "important" definitions where you want to make it clear to the user not to make this choice lightly.

Two hopes here:
1. That this is a standard control and not just a Time Machine concoction.
2. That developers won't use it everywhere but keep it for the really important toggles.
 
Of course, you could just...

... paint a white bar on your picture. Sure, not the easiest thing in the world to do, but a fairly easy fix. You could even paint the black rounded corners back in, if you are desperate for '84.

You get creative with it. Build a pattern in there that looks nice. Get flashy. Or, dull it down so you don't notice it unless you need it.

I like how there's lots of complains about never getting customizable options, and then they put in a bar that literally screams "customize me" and then there's the same complains about that.

You don't need a switch to make it "not transparent." You need a paint program to make it whatever color you want. And in fact, your current menu bar is transparent - Apple just plunks a background image behind it. We've all gotten the weird Firefox crash where that bar disappears, and you're left with a strange transparent menu bar, haven't we?

I bet within the first few days of release, there's a web-app for uploading your desired desktop, and it just plunks the current menu bar background on the thing.
 
Kaptajn Haddock said:
Instead of focusing on all that gimmicky stuff they should try really hard to make 10.5 as bugfree as possible so that we wont already have to download 10.5.1 the same day the OS is released (that happened with 10.4). And they should also use their time on optimizing like hell to get an OS as fast as possible.
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I fully hope and expect that we will have to download at least a Security Update as soon as Leopard is released. It's almost a month between the gold master "freeze" and buying a physical disk in a store. Considering that Apple's been coming out with security updates at the rate of about 1 per month in 2007 for Tiger, I'd be suprised if we didn't see something within the first two weeks (if not the first day) of Leopard's release.

Will we see an actual 10.5.1 on the release date? Possibly. The rate of the driver updates from manufacturers has been increasing, and drivers have a huge effect on stability and performance. It's very likely Vista Service Pack 1 will go into public beta during the "freeze" time so Boot Camp compatability updates may be significant (depending on what issues are kicked-up). Since Apple develops the iPhone in a separate group but with low level integration into the OS, it's also quite possible something about that integration will warrant an update during the 1 month "freeze".

I really wish people would stop seeing updates as a sign of quality or crap. We will see updates, bug fixes, and security fixes to Leopard. If we see updates on the day of Leopard's release, it's just a consequence to having to draw that line in the sand in order to get it out the door. Will the first update be on the day of Leopard's release or after a month? It doesn't matter to me.
 
verniesgarden said:
it automatically adjusts itself

basically it finds the most used color under it and decides between black or light grey text, then blurs and lightens the image below it
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What does the dock do when it is set to automatically hide? Does it still go up and down or does it act like widgets and slide forward and back with a fading effect or does it do something really lame like having a hinge where it falls forward like a tailgate?
 
bj3949 said:
No matter how may times I try, the new Leopard Seed will not install.
It goes through the whole process and restarts etc, but i finally get to the desktop after restart, and click on About This Mac, it still says 9A499.
And, when I click on Software Update, the new seed appears everytime.
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It took 3 or 4 times for me. Have you checked out your hard drive for problems?

I like the new software update. It feels very slick.

I've had to file a bug report against the updated mail already
 
nateco said:
You can see how the menu bar looks better on some than others...but the main point of it as I see it is...it gets out of your way and lets you see your projects better, focus on what your doing.....it tricks you, kinda like the chin tricks you into thinking you have a bigger monitor...if you know what I mean....it's subconscious I think...and pretty clever on the part of apple, the way it's done....don't doubt that they don't pay attention to the visuals and how the mind perceives them.....anyways..that's what i think, your mileage may vary.
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bj3949 said:
MAKE THE MENU BAR WHITE AGAIN, BUT THIS TIME MAKE IT "HIDEABLE". LIKE YOU CAN HIDE THE DOCK. PROBLEM SOLVED.
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I use Menufela to make the menubar autohide - its great on my Macbook with limited screen real-estate, but the way it overlaps things is just un-appleish...
 
bj3949 said:
MAKE THE MENU BAR WHITE AGAIN, BUT THIS TIME MAKE IT "HIDEABLE". LIKE YOU CAN HIDE THE DOCK. PROBLEM SOLVED.
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I object! Why would anyone want to "hide" their beloved menubar? I think it'll look kinda awkward and un-Mac OS from the outside.... :(
 
One thing, I don't see under-the-hood changes in Leopard. For example, an under-the-hood change would be supporting addition hard disk formats (such as ZFS on the boot drive etc).

While the changes are cute, I don't see anything a techy type would be impressed with (sort of like Vista, all eye candy and no "real" meat). Seriously, you guys are arguing about silly backgrounds and transparencies....

Feels more like a Service Pack to me :)
 
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