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Apple Seeds Mac OS X Leopard (9A527/9A528a)

Egomaniac said:
I'm typing this from the new seed. First, Leopard is gorgeous. Not sure why you would think otherwise, but the UI is much more attractive and consistent.

I had mixed feelings about the transparent menu bar in the last two seeds, but the slight tweaks in this seed make all the difference. It's more opaque and blurs the underlying image more, so it looks good against everything. I've got my background set to change randomly every minute, with about a hundred different images to choose from, and they all look nice with it. You'll like it.

Second, the UI changes are such a tiny thing compared to the rest of Leopard that it's amusing to see so much time spent discussing it. Leopard is not about the new UI. It's got hundreds upon hundreds of small improvements that individually may not sound all that exciting, but all together make for a huge leap forward.

After using Leopard, going back to Tiger is like fingernails on a chalkboard. And I loved Tiger.

I don't want to break my NDA in a big way, so I'll just add one more thing. Leopard is fast. Impossibly fast compared to Tiger, and it makes Vista seem like it is running in slow motion. Spotlight is really instant now, to the point that I uninstalled QuickSilver. If you've used QuickSilver, hopefully you understand what a big deal that is.

For reference, my Leopard machine is a first-gen MacBook -- the lowest configuration, but bumped to 1GB RAM. My Tiger machine is a 2.66GHz Mac Pro with 3GB RAM. And the MacBook is snappier.
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Wow, this sounds really promising. Leopard keeps getting better with every build!
 
OK, looks like people either love or hate the new dock & menubar. Let's just drop the "Why do/don't you like it?" debate. If you like it, get Leopard when it comes out. If you don't, stick w/ Tiger. Simple as that.
 
guzhogi said:
OK, looks like people either love or hate the new dock & menubar. Let's just drop the "Why do/don't you like it?" debate. If you like it, get Leopard when it comes out. If you don't, stick w/ Tiger. Simple as that.
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And miss out on all of Leopard's features. Genius.
 
I was kind of hoping that this would allow you (or some feature like it) to record "Away Messages" for your iPhone voicemail. In other words, instead of having your standard voicemail message (Hi, I'm not here right now...) you could have a saved list of messages just like in iChat. "Hey, I'm at class right now, I'll be out in an hour." Then you can switch it to, "I'm at lunch, be back at 1:30." How cool would it be to switch your voicemail messages so easily from a saved list?
 
pink isn't bad but.....

I don't want that to be the default wallpaper in 10.5 It makes the menu bar pink and there isn't anything really going through the menu bar so you have to point out the stars to show it's transparent. It really looks like I just changed some settings to get my menu pink.
 
Project said:
Its hilarious man, it really is. People arent paying for Leopard because the scrollbars are not lickable and the dock is 3D.
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I don't know about people in California, but most people don't like over extravagance. A 3D dock just feels like that. It's not like aluminium in the iMac which just feels like good quality.
 
tuffluffjimmy said:
I don't want that to be the default wallpaper in 10.5 It makes the menu bar pink and there isn't anything really going through the menu bar so you have to point out the stars to show it's transparent. It really looks like I just changed some settings to get my menu pink.
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Screenshots would be sooooo welcome. Feel free to post them here :)
Maybe you could send them to Thinksecret. They'd like to publish them...
 
tuffluffjimmy said:
I don't want that to be the default wallpaper in 10.5 It makes the menu bar pink and there isn't anything really going through the menu bar so you have to point out the stars to show it's transparent. It really looks like I just changed some settings to get my menu pink.
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I like it. Are you actually seeing it in Leopard?
 
kungming2 said:
He meant the link: http://bayimg.com/FAgaeAabf
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Yes, I did.

My observations, I have had every build on my system. This is the first build that put a smile on my face and has me excited for Leopard.

It looks tuned and almost ready for GM. Under the hood is yet to be seen, but cosmetically, it has that Apple polish to it.

The intro movie is a little "Star Wars"ish but not my call to say ship with that.

If anyone is daring to post : HD/System/Library/CoreServices/ Right click on Setup Assistant (view package contents) and under the resources folder "intro.mov" This is the same on Tiger and Panther for that matter.

Anyways, I think this will be a great upgrade and worth the $, I am excited now, and looking forward to 10/19 or 10/26, my guess ;)
 
tuffluffjimmy said:
I don't want that to be the default wallpaper in 10.5 It makes the menu bar pink and there isn't anything really going through the menu bar so you have to point out the stars to show it's transparent. It really looks like I just changed some settings to get my menu pink.
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Looking at your previous posts, it seems you aren't even using Leopard. You forgot to clarify that! I'm assuming that you customized Tiger to look like Leopard with a fake transparent menu bar. It doesn't work like the real thing...

I'll agree with you on one thing however. I'm not quite sure how pink will bode. I think a traditional abstract blue work better. In any case, Leopard seems to be shaping up nicely. People have to constantly remind others that there are plenty of under the hood changes that make it a worthy upgrade.
 
Wayfarer said:
Looking at your previous posts, it seems you aren't even using Leopard. You forgot to clarify that! I'm assuming that you customized Tiger to look like Leopard with a fake transparent menu bar. It doesn't work like the real thing...

I'll agree with you on one thing however. I'm not quite sure how pink will bode. I think a traditional abstract blue work better. In any case, Leopard seems to be shaping up nicely. People have to constantly remind others that there are plenty of under the hood changes that make it a worthy upgrade.
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I never said I wouldn't get it because of the menu bar... In fact my signature says I'll get it the day it comes out.
Cosmetic changes are the easiest things to talk about, especially since it's one of the very few things noted in this release.
 
tuffluffjimmy said:
Cosmetic changes are the easiest things to talk about, especially since it's one of the very few things noted in this release.
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Not just that, the non-techie public don't find "under-the-hood" improvements that exciting either - they mostly dwell on the flashy/cosmetic stuff. :rolleyes:
 
tuffluffjimmy said:
I never said I wouldn't get it because of the menu bar... In fact my signature says I'll get it the day it comes out.
Cosmetic changes are the easiest things to talk about, especially since it's one of the very few things noted in this release.
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I never accused you of you of disliking the menu bar. You claimed that "you changed some settings to get your menu pink" but you weren't actually using Leopard. Haha I'm confused. :confused:
 
Dustman said:
If you had ever used leopard or even read about it, you'd know that it can be set to opaque. I think i'll be the third person to say this, "Don't knock it before you use it."
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No, you can't! Why do people keep saying this as if they know stuff? There is no setting to change the color/opacity of the menu bar. THERE IS NOT. There never was, and its improbable that there ever will be. It would be largely useless now that the extreme transparency of the menu bar has been changed (as of 9A523). Stop spreading misinformation and horse crud all over the place. All it leads to is the perception that some option existed during development that was removed because "Apple sucks," which simply leads to more bad PR. Do you want that?

Here's a little teaser for those people without access to seeds: Leopard's improvements to Spotlight's performance and search speeds will make most of you dump Quicksilver. It really is instant as you type now.
 
SiliconAddict said:
Psst. Apple. Small tip. If you want feedback you could get a heck of a lot more input by opening up a release candidate to the lowly fanbase who would test the living crap out of 10.5. Heck even if it was another 5K you could get way more overall feedback but hey. What better way to say your OS is ready then to release a major update within 3 months of launch which I can bet they will do.
PS- Leave MS out of this. We all know MS faults. This is purely an Apple pet peeve of mine. Apple OS's could be a heck of a lot more stable out of the box if they would release "Release Candidate" builds to Apple Enthusiasts. No one is going to test the crap out of it more then us.
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Didn't they do that way back in like '99 or '00 for the original OSX?

I remember my old boss wanted to shoot himself in the face due to printer problems lol
 
iJawn108 said:
Didn't they do that way back in like '99 or '00 for the original OSX?

I remember my old boss wanted to shoot himself in the face due to printer problems lol
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I think there might have been a small fee with it, maybe not. I still have a shrink wrapped copy of the original marketing and OS X inside to test.
 
Dustman said:
If you had ever used leopard or even read about it, you'd know that it can be set to opaque. I think i'll be the third person to say this, "Don't knock it before you use it."
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Really? Not to blow my NDA or anything, but I've not found that setting? I'd love to make the menu opaque.
 
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