Apple Seeds macOS Catalina Golden Master to Developers

[CreeptoLoser]

This is a beta and already counted a dozen bugs. Calling it a GM to make investors happy that it isn't in poor shape is kinda lame. Apple does all kind of tricks to pump their AAPL price. Forced upgrades, forced obsolescence, slow as **** operating system with slow as **** apis, tired of this company.

 

[ivanpasic]

Just a heads up people. I upgraded to the GM and it then broke my Citrix Workspace and I could no longer connect to the office "Error: "SSL Error 61: You have not chosen to trust 'Certificate Authority'..."

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support.citrix.com

I had to reinstall Mojave on one my Mac's to connect back , not nice as I was on call at the time!

Hopefully they will fix it soon

I am using Citrix Workspace on this release of Catalina with no issues. However, I do think it is full of bugs and calling it GM is travesty.
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This is a beta and already counted a dozen bugs. Calling it a GM to make investors happy that it isn't in poor shape is kinda lame. Apple does all kind of tricks to pump their AAPL price. Forced upgrades, forced obsolescence, slow as **** operating system with slow as **** apis, tired of this company.

The whole software update cycle this year has been a disaster. iOS released separately from iPad OS and Apple TV OS and MacOS being released separately from everything else when things like Reminders cannot sync between different generations of OS. And I agree that calling this beta GM is shameful.

 

[Madonepro]

I installed it yesterday, and 'caveat' I only use the software it comes with, Numbers, Pages FCP etc, and Handbrake, Transmission and absolutely fine, no issues whatsoever.
Couple of interesting things I found though;

1. Apple no longer lists in system report, what bit file it is, instead they list it within each apps metadata
2. Music/TV when you open them, default to your previous library within Music/iTunes, so you have to 'reset' your location, and then it places TV data/files in Movies and Music in Music

 

[Babygotfont]

Hello, already installed GM version of Catalina.

All works fine without one exception.

Apple ID panel in System Preferences is asking me repeatedly for a Apple ID password.

Once I provided Apple ID password and computer password, then after a while it is asking again and again without stop.

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Does any one have this issue too? Maybe someone knows how to fix it?

it took 8-10 tries ... i shouldn't say tries, it was almost like it was registering individual components ... then finally it asked me for my IPAD passcode ... finally finished (or at least hasn't re-prompted me for my apple ID)

 

[Madonepro]

The whole software update cycle this year has been a disaster. iOS released separately from iPad OS and Apple TV OS and MacOS being released separately from everything else when things like Reminders cannot sync between different generations of OS. And I agree that calling this beta GM is shameful.

But no one forced you to agree to update your reminders in iOs or iPadOS to the new format, you could have left them! I did, and it was fine.

 

[ivanpasic]

But no one forced you to agree to update your reminders in iOs or iPadOS to the new format, you could have left them! I did, and it was fine.

You are correct. But for a company that prides itself with tightly integrated ecosystem, I think this is poor form.

 

[chrfr]

I signed up for the public beta yesterday as well, but every time I download it (3 different times now), and I check the plist file of the installation, the build number is from Public Beta 9. Any thoughts?

Which plist are you looking at? You’re probably seeing the older build number which was used to build the latest version.

 

[mikeheenan]

So I signed into my developer account (because I wanted to test mojave beta a long time ago) and I don't see Catalina anywhere, just the Xcode 11 beta download?

 

[chrfr]

So I signed into my developer account (because I wanted to test mojave beta a long time ago) and I don't see Catalina anywhere, just the Xcode 11 beta download?

Do you have a paid developer account? The link to the developer profile for 10.15 is the first thing on the downloads list in mine.

 

[davidjearly]

Absolutely zero issues with the GM here and I've stress tested quite a lot of applications across personal and professional use.

 

[bbodine]

Just a heads up people. I upgraded to the GM and it then broke my Citrix Workspace and I could no longer connect to the office "Error: "SSL Error 61: You have not chosen to trust 'Certificate Authority'..."

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support.citrix.com

I had to reinstall Mojave on one my Mac's to connect back , not nice as I was on call at the time!

Hopefully they will fix it soon

All I had to do was go into my keychain under certificates and trust the certificate from go daddy which is where we get our certs from. Worked fine on Mojave and the cert was still there on Catalina but trust was changed to "Use System Defaults" and I just needed to set it to always trusted and everything is back to normal. If you don't have the cert your IT Department should be able to send it to you. We have had to send it to people at our organization in the past for this exact issue.

 

[mikeheenan]

Do you have a paid developer account? The link to the developer profile for 10.15 is the first thing on the downloads list in mine.

no, not paid. I just signed up for a free one for testing out Mojave I believe it was, or possibly ios11, I don’t remember.

 

[chrfr]

no, not paid. I just signed up for a free one for testing out Mojave I believe it was, or possibly ios11, I don’t remember.

That's why you're not seeing the developer beta. You could enroll for the public beta and get the same version for free.

 

[ivanpasic]

Absolutely zero issues with the GM here and I've stress tested quite a lot of applications across personal and professional use.

Did you install fresh or did you update? For example, if you go into system preferences and click on the security tab or the user tab, do you not get a huge delay before it opens? When i delete an email - the new email sound comes on. Does this not happen for you? When operating off charger, is your battery draining the same as on Mojave? These are just a few of the issues I have noticed.

 

[kemo]

As always, waiting out to AT LEAST .2 - .3 (roughly half a year) is wise and I'm doing so to make sure my daily machine is working as expected. Releasing Catalina in October makes investors happy. But will the customers be happy once they install new version? Doubt it.

GM, heck even .1 or .2 are way too early for quality I'm expecting from software - and I'm not talking only about the OS itself, but also about all the apps I'm using on daily basis - they need some time to polish their products as well work with new APIs introduced in version of OS.

 

[Babygotfont]

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Great, now the sound on my MacBookPro15,3 is messed up. Sounds like left speaker is blown.
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make sure it’s not your hearing

 

[CreeptoLoser]

Absolutely zero issues with the GM here and I've stress tested quite a lot of applications across personal and professional use.

Your version of a 'stress test' can be weak compared to what others can do.

You can't say 'zero issues' when the releases come with a document detailing bugs and issues that are unresolved. Check the forums to see how many 'pros' have issues even with mature macOS releases. I can count a dozen already in Catalina and some of those are unresolved from as far back as Yosemite.

 

[KPOM]

I am using Citrix Workspace on this release of Catalina with no issues. However, I do think it is full of bugs and calling it GM is travesty.
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The whole software update cycle this year has been a disaster. iOS released separately from iPad OS and Apple TV OS and MacOS being released separately from everything else when things like Reminders cannot sync between different generations of OS. And I agree that calling this beta GM is shameful.

The issue is that they introduced too many new features across multiple OSes in the same year. iPad needed it most, but features like SideCar are also long overdue. My guess is next year they focus on performance and stability.

 

[mikeheenan]

That's why you're not seeing the developer beta. You could enroll for the public beta and get the same version for free.

Thanks!

 

[Babygotfont]

I wish iApple would:

1. Decouple the OS from features (e.g. Apple Pay, Apple credit card,etc)

2. Stop development and thoroughly flush out pronounced bugs.

3. Pay an outside firm to thoroughly regression test it’s releases

4. Proactively notify all device owners when recalls are published per device

 

[davidjearly]

Your version of a 'stress test' can be weak compared to what others can do.

You can't say 'zero issues' when the releases come with a document detailing bugs and issues that are unresolved. Check the forums to see how many 'pros' have issues even with mature macOS releases. I can count a dozen already in Catalina and some of those are unresolved from as far back as Yosemite.

I can say whatever I like when it relates to my own personal experience. That experience is one of ‘zero issues’. At no point did I say there was no known bugs - think that would be a first in the history of all software releases.

But yes, my pro use across a wide variety of pro apps has not encountered and problems.

 

[chucker23n1]

I wish iApple would:

1. Decouple the OS from features (e.g. Apple Pay, Apple credit card,etc)

2. Stop development and thoroughly flush out pronounced bugs.

3. Pay an outside firm to thoroughly regression test it’s releases

4. Proactively notify all device owners when recalls are published per device

1)

Decoupling features from major OS releases is already partially being done (like shipping Deep Fusion in 13.2 instead of 13.0). I think they ought to go further and be more honest to themselves and everyone else about it; make WWDC chiefly about framework changes and present the features as more of a roadmap for the coming year.

Decoupling them from the OS entirely, though, would probably be a net loss. Users would be confused or annoyed and might even conclude that Apple has "stopped innovating" because they don't understand how to install those features separately.

2)

That doesn't really seem feasible.

For one, the customer / stockholder / media expectation is new features. You can do the "No new features!" gag a few times like they did in 10.6 Snow Leopard, but people want to see reasons for upgrading (even if it's just emoji), and a vague "there are fewer bugs" isn't much of a reason.

Second, developers also want to see the frameworks evolved. It is probably this 'trap' (as in convoluted dependency) that is in part responsible for 13.0's quality: they made changes to UIKit, announced and explained them at WWDC, modernized their own Mail app to take advantage of them, and then… those changes turned out not to be stable. How do you roll back from that? Postponing features is one thing; postponing frameworks third parties are already relying on is a whole other can of worms. (They still did it with, say, PencilKit. But that isn't as important a framework.)

Altogether an interesting post, though.

 

[Madonepro]

This is a beta and already counted a dozen bugs. Calling it a GM to make investors happy that it isn't in poor shape is kinda lame. Apple does all kind of tricks to pump their AAPL price. Forced upgrades, forced obsolescence, slow as **** operating system with slow as **** apis, tired of this company.

Do you need to use Apple? Are you forced to buy Apple? If no, you then have choices, use something else, and then you don't need to complain here.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

It's not only adding complexity and using additional RAM and disk space, but also you definitely would have people complaining why certain new features won't be available to programs relying on 32bit code. There is no way to backport new features and functions to 32bit libraries without a significant amount of additional changes and testing, ending up rewriting most of the 32bit stuff. Essentially doubling the development work. That's not gonna happen.

And besides, Apple has always been known for leaving old things behind (e.g. floppy, optical drives). 16 years after the first 64bit consumer CPU, it's time to move on and leave the past behind. No one seriously complains about not being able to run 8bit or 16bit software on today's OS …

So don't backport old features. I'm not asking for new 32bit apps, just making sure that existing ones still work. And while, yes, 64 bits has been around for years, they are still selling 32bit apps in the app store, if you have a phone that can run them.

 

[Babygotfont]

the upgrade went nicely for me ... only 2 32-bit apps were axed and they are WIP by their respective developers.

every 3-5 years i clean install the OS and decided to do that for catalina after the sitting on the upgrade for 4 days ... i noticed that FCP additional content does NOT install (errors out) ... if FCP users are dependent on this and a clean install method, i'd wait for a little bit ...