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Apple Seeds macOS Catalina Golden Master to Developers

Victor Mortimer said:
This may well be at least that bad. Apple is intentionally breaking software that millions of people rely on.

Dropping 32 bit support is inexcusable. I'm anticipating my phone ringing off the hook in the weeks after release with people needing me to remove 10.15 and reinstall 10.14.

I'm disabling automatic macOS updates on every machine I touch. Almost nobody in the real world is ready for this.

And what's worse, I've got it running on a test machine, have had it for months now. It doesn't add anything useful. Other than broken software and the inexplicable System Preferences rearrange, it's almost indistinguishable from 10.14.
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Oh, so you're one of those people.
You probably said the same thing when Mac OS X Lion dropped Power PC apps. The real world isn't ready for it. Well, if they are not ready now, they will be soon. Apple Has been moving to 64 bit for the last 14 years. I am surprised its taken them this long. They probably have been thinking about dropping 32 bit apps since Yosemite. Just be happy those apps were supported for this long, and move on.
Every year we get people like you, especially when there is a big change. People who stood by Mac OS X Tiger, and said that Leopard would never replace it.
Same with Snow Leopard, and Mavericks. But the world has moved on
People will move on from Mojave and 32 bit apps eventually.
Just you wait when Apple moves away from Intel CPUs. You will be all up in arms.

FYI, there are plenty of changes, including the split up of iTunes without removing any features, the ability to use an iPad as a display, and several others.
Just because the interface is extremely similar to Mojave does not mean that it is the same.
 
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Victor Mortimer said:
I'm disabling automatic macOS updates on every machine I touch. Almost nobody in the real world is ready for this.
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This seems rather dire. In reality, no one in the real world will notice. If you use the machine for Office, Photoshop, and maybe even video editing, you're on a subscription that updates your software anyway. I've had zero problems with apps not working. Most people using the Mac are probably just using Office 365 and using Safari or Chrome. The update will be minimal.

For the normal consumer, they'll get the benefit of Apple Music, Arcade, TV, and Podcasts on the Mac along with Sidecar. It's definitely not an urgent upgrade, but it's nice.
 
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konqerror said:
People like this confuse me. There's a platform that offers 34 years of ABI compatibility: Windows. It's a more popular platform and cheaper too. A platform that guarantees you can stay on the same OS version for 10 years while remaining secure and supported.

I don't know why people go out of their way to choose a platform that has removed technical cruft, at the expense of breaking legacy software, for literally it's entire existence. A platform that has major API deprecations and removals yearly. Then go complain about it.
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Hasn't there been several problems with automatic Windows updates?
Also, Vista?
Windows ME
Windows 8?
Some of the most infamous computer updates of the 21st century.
 
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CanadianGuy said:
This app (free) checks for 32-bit apps for you: https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/index.html
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Thanks for sharing this! The only things that might cause pain seem to be mac OS system processes that are going to be upgraded anyway. I have a bunch of print server and Cisco WebEx-related apps that my company force install on everyone's Macs, and I never use either.
 
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Victor Mortimer said:
This may well be at least that bad. Apple is intentionally breaking software that millions of people rely on.

Dropping 32 bit support is inexcusable. I'm anticipating my phone ringing off the hook in the weeks after release with people needing me to remove 10.15 and reinstall 10.14.

I'm disabling automatic macOS updates on every machine I touch. Almost nobody in the real world is ready for this.

And what's worse, I've got it running on a test machine, have had it for months now. It doesn't add anything useful. Other than broken software and the inexplicable System Preferences rearrange, it's almost indistinguishable from 10.14.
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I'm sure people felt the same way when Lion came out and they dropped support for PowerPC apps. Developers have known about this for a while now, and should have updated their apps to 64 bit.
 
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DaveMcM76 said:
Windows Me is one that springs to mind for me. I think I lasted about 4 hours on that car crash of an OS before heading back to the hallowed lands of 98SE...
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I ran Windows Me on a Gateway PC back in the day. I never had a problem, which apparently made me the world's luckiest man as literally everyone else had the worst time with both.
 
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What happens when you try to launch a 32-bit app under Catalina? Does it launch at all or does it just not work "right"? More important, what happens when you launch a 64-bit app that has some small remnant of 32-bit code in it? Thx.
 
Victor Mortimer said:
Other than broken software and the inexplicable System Preferences rearrange, it's almost indistinguishable from 10.14.
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I have no problem with them sunsetting 32bit, but I wish they would spend the time to upgrade features like Dashboard, so the features didn't get sunset too.

As for Sys Prefs... is that drastically different? Better? I'm glad that they are spending time working on the Sys Prefs app, because it's long been slow and neglected (for 19 years!), but let's hope the changes are actually an improvement and not just change for change's sake.
 
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hudson1 said:
What happens when you try to launch a 32-bit app under Catalina? Does it launch at all or does it just not work "right"? More important, what happens when you launch a 64-bit app that has some small remnant of 32-bit code in it? Thx.
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Nothing that's 32bit will run. No apps, no libraries. Likely, if a 64bit app has a 32bit dependency, the app will be broken.
 
coolfactor said:
The dropping of Dashboard 😢😭😢 is the deal breaker for me. But I'll upgrade eventually. Bye bye Dashboard. I'll miss how elegantly you swooped into action. Notification Center is no replacement. I wish Apple knew this.
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I have to agree, even though I never used it. Still, there should be some type of replacement.
 
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DaveMcM76 said:
Windows Me is one that springs to mind for me. I think I lasted about 4 hours on that car crash of an OS before heading back to the hallowed lands of 98SE...
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Oh my god, my first Windows computer came with `Windows ME` and it was a terrible experience! Only reason I got it was that the college required Windows. BRAND NEW COMPUTER that ran like crap and very buggy! Truly mindboggling how Microsoft was proud of that broken beast. There was a huge marketing campaign around it, too. It's taken them a while, but they've wised up.

No macOS will ever be that bad!
 
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