What? Look, man, i open an app and tap it's icon twice in the Dock (Magic Mouse obviously) and i get Expose with windows of that app.
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What? Look, man, i open an app and tap it's icon twice in the Dock (Magic Mouse obviously) and i get Expose with windows of that app.
My Lion Actually Works Perfect!!!
You know, you must have a different problem because my Lion in so MINT. I love apple and never doubt them. Neither should you.
Just use it and be happy.
ImmuneZone
You know, you must have a different problem because my Lion in so MINT. I love apple and never doubt them. Neither should you.
Just use it and be happy.
ImmuneZone
Just 1 extra option? Where do you live? On Mars? I'm sure there are plenty people that think there should be a third option if not more and then it becomes a mess.
And ONLY that app.
You don't do any kind of multitasking with professional applications for anything more than sending grandma and grandpa pictures, do you?
This is up to the Application Developer to manage their app windows to take advantage of what you are asking.
File a bug at Adobe and Apple's Radar. Get some proper feedback and go from there.
Complaining in a rumors forums is like passing gas in the wind and hoping the world can smell it.
WOW. I didn't even know that.
I really missed dock expose in Lion but this is bloody brilliant. You are God sent.
Thank you so much.
Not really. They could just put a button to more options called 'Advanced' like there is for lots of stuff already.
Anyway, for me Lion Expose/Mission Control requires me to perform more actions (and even those are more fiddly and less useful) to get something approaching the same desired result, so to me that is the mess. And that's every time I'd want to use it (i.e. multiple per day), not just one single time in Sys Prefs to set some options.
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You're not alone on this wikus, people seem to have a hard time comprehending the difference between app expose and all window expose for some reason. Including Apple's Lion team it seems!
No it isn't. What he is asking is exactly what has happened since 10.3 (Panther). It wasn't broken, it was one of my favourite features and there was really no need whatsoever to remove it in Lion, it could have lived perfectly happily alongside Mission Control.
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If you have a ton of windows open, which is easier: find the app that you're looking for and then find the window in that app, or search through a mess of windows for every app? I'm seriously confused about why you would want every window from every app up all at once. When do you not know what app is running your window?
clever!
actually, if i may add, i have an easier suggestion. if you're within the application (photoshop) and you 3 finger swipe up on your track pad, you activate mission control, but more importantly if you 3 finger swipe down you activate expose just for that application.
should it not work for you, you can find all these great gestures that you can customize within system preferences > trackpad > more gestures. they even have videos that show you how to activate it to help prevent mistakes testing it out. the setting I'm referring to says, "App Expose: Swipe down with three fingers"
It doesn't get any easier than that really. I highly suggest everyone visit this section to learn all the great gestures apple built into that very wide track pad you're using.
actually, if i may add, i have an easier suggestion. if you're within the application (photoshop) and you 3 finger swipe up on your track pad, you activate mission control, but more importantly if you 3 finger swipe down you activate expose just for that application.
should it not work for you, you can find all these great gestures that you can customize within system preferences > trackpad > more gestures. they even have videos that show you how to activate it to help prevent mistakes testing it out. the setting I'm referring to says, "App Expose: Swipe down with three fingers"
It doesn't get any easier than that really. I highly suggest everyone visit this section to learn all the great gestures apple built into that very wide track pad you're using.
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Yes it is. A lot of the paradigms in 10.3 were axed, by design. If this is a bug, then file it. If this is a feature request then do so.
However, if this is available in IB where the getter/setter behavior of the delegated requests can happen at the level he wants in the application then it is up to Adobe to use it. If not, then explain how it is beneficial to OS X to have it.
By the way, this same lack of behavior is present in other operating systems as well.
GIMP for GNOME is still a 2.x based application and running their version of seeing all active windows and the hidden dock now visible running this action still doesn't show the sub menus [floating menus] for the GIMP.
GIMP clearly decided to move to an All-in-One design for 2.8.
By the way Adobe Photoshop CS5 is supported for 10.5.8 and 10.6 because they both still included legacy API support.
Wake me up when Adobe actually rewrite for 10.7+ requiring them to truly embrace Cocoa completely. And when I meant truly embrace completely I mean OpenCL and GCD so the app is responsive and utilizing as many cores and threads as possible.
They've got a long way to go to get it all current. Being Cocoa (not just Cocoa interfaces) and 64-bit compatible is just the first step.
Either way, this ``behavior'' that you say was removed after 10.3 has to have a solid reason for not being revisited.
Contact Adobe and if need be have them push for it if they see it as a flaw. Otherwise, you are farting in the wind.
swingerofbirch
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Although I have many issues with Lion, my main reason for not upgrading now is that my MacBook Pro 13" mid 2010 can't take the heat. It's running at about 190 F now, going up to 206 F at times. Lion takes it over the edge. I realize it's a hardware issue in addition to a software issue, but it's a hardware issue Lion exacerbates through being more processor intensive in my personal experience.
iCloud like iDisk!!!
I really, REALLY hope that Apple will integrate MobileMe's iDisk features into iCloud so that we can store all kinds of documents in our cloud storage areas (like we can in MobileMe iDisk right now), as it really is not of much use right now (except for native iWork documents). It would especially be helpful that if this feature were integrated into iCloud, we then could use Pages, Numbers & Keynote on iOS as areas where we could view and save documents from Microsoft Office and others, not just iWork documents alone.
But, of course, this is just a hope! Anyone else agree with this?
I really, REALLY hope that Apple will integrate MobileMe's iDisk features into iCloud so that we can store all kinds of documents in our cloud storage areas (like we can in MobileMe iDisk right now), as it really is not of much use right now (except for native iWork documents). It would especially be helpful that if this feature were integrated into iCloud, we then could use Pages, Numbers & Keynote on iOS as areas where we could view and save documents from Microsoft Office and others, not just iWork documents alone.
But, of course, this is just a hope! Anyone else agree with this?
And of course the optimization lion runs like a dog on my 2011 macbook pro
uh-oh... does that mean I shouldn't update my late-2006 MBP to Lion either???
If I can keep this one functioning fine until later in 2012, it should be prime hardware upgrade time. Woo-hoo!! Looking forward to iPad3, iPhone5 and a new MBP in 2012...that is, unless the Mayans had some reason to let the calendar run out next year.
swingerofbirch
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It used to be that Apple and its followers attacked Adobe for not making updates. But if Jobs' late vision of Apple is moving away from pick-up truck computers that do the heavy lifting, then maybe Windows PCs become the computers for the "crazy ones" (artists, etc), and that's where it's smarter for Adobe to invest its time.
Have you checked your Login items in your System Preferences/Users & Groups? Sometimes, programs that start at login can cause your computer to run hotter than normal. Another alternative is to check in your Activity Monitor and see what program is running at a high percentage. Killing that particular program usually solves the problem.
I think you misunderstood. I said 'since 10.3', to mean this feature has been present in all versions of OS X since 10.3. So also in 10.4. Also in 10.5. Also in 10.6! In every single version of OS X from Panther to Snow Leopard, whether on PPC macs, on 32-bit intel macs and on 64-bit intel macs. It was only removed in Lion (10.7).
It really has nothing to do with Adobe at all. Wikus was using 3 apps as an example of a basic OS-level feature available to (in fact simply using...) all windows in any Mac OS applications. Hence "all window expose". One could just as easily use an example of two images in iPhoto, an iTunes playlist window, a finder window of a folder and a couple of Text Edit documents if you prefer.
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As another user who is displeased with Lion, I'd like to offer my (possibly) "balanced" opinion.
1. I think mission control was a great idea. I like the concept of combining both spaces and expose in a useful, intuitive, productive way. That being said, there are 2 serious flaws I have run into that make me want my old spaces/expose back.
- when you have 4+ windows from the same application, it makes it very difficult to select let alone SEE each of them. very annoying.
- sometimes the windows get in the way of the "spaces" above them, so you can't tell whether you are selecting a application window or space. And if you are trying to move a window to a new space that's covered up ... well good luck with that.
2. launchpad is also NOT the worst idea in the world. I personally don't use it, as there are much faster ways to do things. But i can see how [with some refinement] it could be helpful for a newbie mac user [read: my grandma]. That being said, it would be nice to have the option to completely do away with it, but, it really doesn't both me that much. It never gets in my way.
3. the most serious flaw in my opinion is the lack of multi-monitor, full screen support. this is something very simple to fix, so there is no excuse for apple not helping out all the professionals that actually use more than 1 monitor, and like to use full screen (not as big of a deal if you use 27"+ monitors).
All in all, there were some good ideas, particularly mission control. But Apple needs to do more UI tweaking IN BETWEEN major releases in order to make it acceptable to more than the casual users.
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Nah, I'd suggest keeping snow leopard. its faster than both lion and leopard. Lion, while its no vista by a long shot, is still more processor and memory hungry than SL. - as it should be, I think. People need to realize that as hardware continues to advance, software SHOULD also to keep pace. Does Lion use more RAM? Yes. My response: GOOD. RAM prices are cheaper than ever! By all means make use of it!
1. I think mission control was a great idea. I like the concept of combining both spaces and expose in a useful, intuitive, productive way. That being said, there are 2 serious flaws I have run into that make me want my old spaces/expose back.
- when you have 4+ windows from the same application, it makes it very difficult to select let alone SEE each of them. very annoying.
- sometimes the windows get in the way of the "spaces" above them, so you can't tell whether you are selecting a application window or space. And if you are trying to move a window to a new space that's covered up ... well good luck with that.
2. launchpad is also NOT the worst idea in the world. I personally don't use it, as there are much faster ways to do things. But i can see how [with some refinement] it could be helpful for a newbie mac user [read: my grandma]. That being said, it would be nice to have the option to completely do away with it, but, it really doesn't both me that much. It never gets in my way.
3. the most serious flaw in my opinion is the lack of multi-monitor, full screen support. this is something very simple to fix, so there is no excuse for apple not helping out all the professionals that actually use more than 1 monitor, and like to use full screen (not as big of a deal if you use 27"+ monitors).
All in all, there were some good ideas, particularly mission control. But Apple needs to do more UI tweaking IN BETWEEN major releases in order to make it acceptable to more than the casual users.
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Nah, I'd suggest keeping snow leopard. its faster than both lion and leopard. Lion, while its no vista by a long shot, is still more processor and memory hungry than SL. - as it should be, I think. People need to realize that as hardware continues to advance, software SHOULD also to keep pace. Does Lion use more RAM? Yes. My response: GOOD. RAM prices are cheaper than ever! By all means make use of it!
Glad i helped. You can also while in that Expose mode tap twice a different app icon and it will nicely switvh to the windows of that app.
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They have, it's called TERMINAL. There can't be options made for every little and big thimp users have. Same goes for Linux and Windows or any other GUI OS.
I had a mid 2010 MBP and Lion was absolutely horrendous on it. I upgraded to a late 2011 MBP and I love lion. Works great on the new machine. No freezes, hang ups, black screens...it works great
Not to mention wifi performance suffers considerably in clamshell mode (at least with my mid 2009 MBP). With SL I would always close the lid, have it switch to 1 screen, then open it back up. No longer possible. This also needs to be fixed.
Yeah, but a lot of times if you have a lot of stuff open, I'd rather have it open the windows for ALL apps. Now, you might say, this is what Mission Control does. Well ... yes, technically. But not very well. Its hard to select windows when you have more than 4 of one type. And forget seeing what they each are.
True. But many of the options he wants don't really warrant a terminal hack in my opinion. I understand Apple wanting a clean UI, but ... as Apple always has and always will ... they oftentimes take this too far and sacrifice functionality. Who wants to look up all the terminal hacks to tweak all their settings? Who knows what is even possible? Whereas with an "advanced" menu, you have your full list of options, and its easy to check and uncheck your preferences.
maybe a terminal hack to make an advanced preferences menu visible?
Unfortunately time is money, and I don't have the time to fight with my computer. If Apple doesn't want to give us a few lousy checkboxes to change this stuff, then I really don't have any interest in turning my year old $10K workstation into a giant overpowered iPhone.
Epic win for Apple?
"I have a year old computer that won't run this new operating system properly because it's a piece of crap. So I went out and bought a new faster machine! And it can run the crappy operating system normally now! Woohoo!"...
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