Apple Seeds OS X 10.7.3 Build 11D36 to Developers

[laudern]

The 20 most frequently applications I use are in my dock. The rest are in the applications folder that are accessed via spotlight, a shortcut via custom applications folder in the dock, or manually finding it via finder. I don't need another icon in my dock. Removing it from the dock doesnt disable it either (as has been proven when installing an application via app store, launchpad then activates).

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What does my age have anything to do with the way I prefer to work on my computer?

Are you familiar with the term preferences at all? Why do you think you even have a special place in OS X for.... (get ready, this may shock you) SYSTEM PREFERENCES?

Are you under the impression everyone should have their computer set up exactly the way you do, or exactly the way everyone else does per Apple's orders?

What is the purpose of your computer? Mine generates my income, both at work and at home. It is my tool for my career and I would like to use it according to MY needs, NOT YOURS.

Most of the things I listed can be simply implemented by Apple by simply adding a check box in SYSTEM PREFERENCES. You wouldnt even be affected with the way your own mac would be set up, so why do you come off so ignorant and arrogant.

Seriously, look into system preferences and why it exists.

Reborn is a tool. God forbid we actually want preferences.

 

[vitzr]

Now that I've had plenty of time with Lion as it shipped with my 2011 MBA, I too am among those who don't care for it. Yet in my case I have no intention of stating why.

Apples so enamored with iOS, I seriously doubt that anything I or others say about Lion means one wit to them. Having proven time after time how they like to force their agenda on the user base, only a massive decline in sales would get their attention. That's something we'll never see.

There are far too many users who've stopped thinking for themselves and wholly endorse anything & everything Apple dreams up. With that kind of validation, Apples got it made. At least at this juncture.

At the rate new customers are flocking to iToyz in record numbers, Lions relevance is of far less importance.

 

[ThisIsNotMe]

How about a god damn update for iPhoto so I can sent Mobile Me galleries to an email group.

 

[Reborn]

Reborn is a tool. God forbid we actually want preferences.

Thanks.

 

[cvaldes]

What ever happened to 10.6.9?

Sorry, you have been left behind.

 

[GorgonPhone]

I will use snow leopard until adobe forces me to get lion for the new CS or apple forces me to get it on a new computer...lol

 

[jayhawk11]

The trolling, flame-baiting and stupidity on display in this thread is mind-blowing. Can we get a mod to lock this thread?

 

[attila]

As another user who is displeased with Lion, I'd like to offer my (possibly) "balanced" opinion.
- when you have 4+ windows from the same application, it makes it very difficult to select let alone SEE each of them. very annoying.

Another secret trick in Lion's book: When hovering over a window in Exposé - hit space

 

[KPOM]

The trolling, flame-baiting and stupidity on display in this thread is mind-blowing. Can we get a mod to lock this thread?

Exactly. This is an article about the latest bug fix release of Lion. It shouldn't be a complaint thread about Lion. There are plenty of them in the Lion forum. Apple isn't going to do anything drastic like completely rework Mission Control in a bug fix release. Let's see what they say about OS X 10.8 next year.

 

[macbook pro i5]

uh-oh... does that mean I shouldn't update my late-2006 MBP to Lion either???

If I can keep this one functioning fine until later in 2012, it should be prime hardware upgrade time. Woo-hoo!! Looking forward to iPad3, iPhone5 and a new MBP in 2012...that is, unless the Mayans had some reason to let the calendar run out next year.

Hell no it would be even worse for you!!! Just wait for the 2012 model if you are really desperate (considering some features i can't live without like the new desktop spaces)then upgrade your ram to a minimum of 4 trust me lion uses of ram at least for me anyway.

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Another secret trick in Lion's book: When hovering over a window in Exposé - hit space

You sir win

 

[TwoBytes]

I'm going to move this thread away from adding features and just ask has apple fixed lion?

I'm getting graphics glitches like nothing else - see thread https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1285964/


I have a 24inch iMac (Nvidia GT 120 256MB).

SL since release - NO graphic issues or freezes. Not one on a machine that runs mostly 24/7

Lion - graphics issues, crashes, freezes every frequently. Crash, freeze, have to reboot.

This is on a freshly installed 10.7.2 system system. I've noticed if i run apps in full screen, the system crashes quicker (presumiby overheating the graphics card) I've send all the crash logs (when they come up) to apple.

Apple, just fix the graphics drivers!

 

[the8thark]

That's nice. I'm happy you're happy.

When are people like you going to figure out that the rest of us are simply waiting for Apple to add an OPTION to change or disable some of the stupidities in Lion?

If you won't like how Lion works (and it does work very well) you can always downgrade back to Snow Leopard. No one is forcing you to use Lion if you don't like it.

There is nothing stupidly wrong with Lion. The majority of people who say such things are people who want L=SL. But L≠SL. Time for you lot to either stick with SL or grow up and move on to Lion and see how great it really is.

 

[tarasis]

How old are you? Six?
<Heat issues>
6. I'm sure it improved for many.

I agree the others are personal preference but regarding the heat issue, I too am finding that Lion runs my mid 2009 13" MBP much hotter than Snow Leopard ever did. Cpu temp is mostly around 70 degrees C and upwards and the fans are very quick to come on. I have tried resetting the SMC but that has not helped matters.

There is little excuse for Safari (under Lion) taking 40-50% CPU time (on a 2.53ghz processor) to download a file, again higher than it ever did on SL and the memory usage by Safari is much worse and it barely releases any of it. Right now with 24 tabs open (more had been opened and closed) Webprocess is using 1.3GB and Safari 430mb and flash isn't installed.

[EDIT] Closing 8 of the tabs, waiting a while and memory usage is Webprocess 1.28GB and Safari 448mb

 

[Winni]

That's nice. I'm happy you're happy.

When are people like you going to figure out that the rest of us are simply waiting for Apple to add an OPTION to change or disable some of the stupidities in Lion?

I'm so sick and tired of this attitude that Lion isn't broken and that Apple shouldn't change anything because it works for you.

News flash, you're not the only person on the planet.

Those of us who dislike Lion don't want to FORCE something upon you. We're not trying to MAKE YOU accept what we believe to be the "correct" way of doing things. We simply want Apple to add an option, so that for those things that don't jive well with us- we can opt to disable or revert the behaviour back to something that does jive well with us. That's all we want. A choice. A simple choice. We had them before but now we don't.

So, frankly, the next person to say "Well 10.7 works great for me! It doesn't need fixing!" needs to be lynched for not understanding this point. Lion is not broken if it does what you want out of the box. If it doesn't, you're **** out of luck. And that is the problem with Lion- it offers absolutely NO choice to change anything (and terminal hacks are terminal hacks- Cocoa isn't exactly hard to code up a checkbox for).

So for those of you who say that Lion is great and you have no issues with it and that Apple doesn't need to change anything- just keep this in mind- whenever you DO need to change something, are you really comfortable confiding in an operating system that offers you NO choices for even the most basic of things?

-SC

Options are for Windows, Linux and Android users. In Apple land, it's either Apple's way or the highway. The sad thing is, that this is exactly the reason why many people buy Apple products: Cupertino does all the thinking for them, there's no need to do that hard work themselves.

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Exactly. This is an article about the latest bug fix release of Lion. It shouldn't be a complaint thread about Lion. There are plenty of them in the Lion forum. Apple isn't going to do anything drastic like completely rework Mission Control in a bug fix release. Let's see what they say about OS X 10.8 next year.

Right. The introduction of iCloud in 10.7.2 was a new major release. Oh wait, it wasn't. They actually made a radical change in a maintenance release.

 

[Skika]

I am happy with Lion myself, but i can see and understand that some are not and want some options or things addressed.

 

[JamesGorman]

Unfortunately time is money, and I don't have the time to fight with my computer. If Apple doesn't want to give us a few lousy checkboxes to change this stuff, then I really don't have any interest in turning my year old $10K workstation into a giant overpowered iPhone.



Epic win for Apple?

"I have a year old computer that won't run this new operating system properly because it's a piece of crap. So I went out and bought a new faster machine! And it can run the crappy operating system normally now! Woohoo!"...

-SC

Actually a win for me as apple gave me the new computer for free.

 

[Detektiv-Pinky]

If you won't like how Lion works (and it does work very well) you can always downgrade back to Snow Leopard. No one is forcing you to use Lion if you don't like it.

<snip>

This ist NOT true!
If you buy recent hardware from Apple there will be no driver support for SL. So you can not downgrade at all.
If any of my machines fails, I am forced to look elsewhere.

I will not use Versions (I want to control myself what data I put under version control and what not).
Also, Resume is stupid. When I reboot my machine I want it to come up clean - for anything else I use Suspend.

 

[MartiNZ]

I've done a reverse switch for the most part now, but I will still be keeping tabs on what happens with Lion and whatever comes next.

In the meantime really all they need to do is allow us the OPTION to truly turn off:
- autosave/versions & resume
- mission control in favour of exposé and ignoring spaces again
- resize anywhere

The three for me just render Lion a non-option; by comparison my -only- beef with Windows 7 was not having inactive window scroll ... and I found a tweak for that.

Edit: basically, agree with the above re Lion .

 

[JackieTreehorn]

I just wish Apple would go back to the 10.7.1 icon sizes for Launchpad: particularly on my MBA they are way too big.

Can't say I agree with the negative comments about Launchpad: I think it's awesome, especially with a trackpad.

Lion is basically the way I wanted OSX to evolve.

 

[tarasis]

<snip>
In the meantime really all they need to do is allow us the OPTION to truly turn off:
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- resize anywhere

Interesting, thats one of the things I am most grateful for. Having come from Windows I hated that you couldn't resize windows from anywhere. I haven't mis-resized a window since I start i began running Lion seeds.

 

[smulji]

I just wish Apple would go back to the 10.7.1 icon sizes for Launchpad: particularly on my MBA they are way too big.

Can't say I agree with the negative comments about Launchpad: I think it's awesome, especially with a trackpad.

Lion is basically the way I wanted OSX to evolve.

What I find funny is that when the Launchpad icons were small, people were complaining they were too small. Not that Apple made them larger, people complain they're too large. Can't make everyone happy.

 

[MartiNZ]

Interesting, thats one of the things I am most grateful for. Having come from Windows I hated that you couldn't resize windows from anywhere. I haven't mis-resized a window since I start i began running Lion seeds.

I wouldn't mind so much except that Apple implemented it with a threshold instead of actually putting visible grab areas. The effect of this is that you now have to click further outside of a window to bring one behind to the front. For 10 years my iTunes miniplayer window has been in the top left of the screen and always accessible with a quick mouse over and click - Office apps cunningly defaulted to a few pixels in from the edge, and nothing else ever overlapped that area.

Now I have to cmd-tab - just like all of these Lion features, they want me to break habits ... not bad habits, but ones that work damn well!

 

[rpsmithii]

Wow. His opinion is no less valid than yours. This is a forum for idea exchange. Not for cutting down folks for expressing their opinion.

Thanks.

That's nice. I'm happy you're happy.

When are people like you going to figure out that the rest of us are simply waiting for Apple to add an OPTION to change or disable some of the stupidities in Lion?

I'm so sick and tired of this attitude that Lion isn't broken and that Apple shouldn't change anything because it works for you.

News flash, you're not the only person on the planet.

Those of us who dislike Lion don't want to FORCE something upon you. We're not trying to MAKE YOU accept what we believe to be the "correct" way of doing things. We simply want Apple to add an option, so that for those things that don't jive well with us- we can opt to disable or revert the behaviour back to something that does jive well with us. That's all we want. A choice. A simple choice. We had them before but now we don't.

So, frankly, the next person to say "Well 10.7 works great for me! It doesn't need fixing!" needs to be lynched for not understanding this point. Lion is not broken if it does what you want out of the box. If it doesn't, you're **** out of luck. And that is the problem with Lion- it offers absolutely NO choice to change anything (and terminal hacks are terminal hacks- Cocoa isn't exactly hard to code up a checkbox for).

So for those of you who say that Lion is great and you have no issues with it and that Apple doesn't need to change anything- just keep this in mind- whenever you DO need to change something, are you really comfortable confiding in an operating system that offers you NO choices for even the most basic of things?

-SC

 

[iBug2]

This is what I want fixed in Lion:
Finder can't still resize correctly.

 

[Reborn]

Right. The introduction of iCloud in 10.7.2 was a new major release. Oh wait, it wasn't. They actually made a radical change in a maintenance release.

Because they annouced it, gave it an ETA and delivered it in a .x release. They did the same with Mac App Store.

BUT THEY do not tweak UI in the .x releases just out of the blue as far as i know.