Apple Seeds OS X 10.7.3 Build 11D36 to Developers

[switcher75]

And how about the stupidity that claims that Chess is an essential part of the operating system and refuses to let you delete it? Apple knows best and the thing they are fast becoming best at is control. First it's censoring for the app store, then it's perfectly usable functions taken from IOS like reverse scrolling and removal of "save as" which destroy continuity in OS X. Now it's hide the library and ban removal of unused and unwanted applications for no other reason that I can see other then because they were built by Apple and are therefore sacred.

Apple is more and more saying to its Mac users "take or leave it, we don't need you anymore."

 

[wiz329]

Another secret trick in Lion's book: When hovering over a window in Exposé - hit space

Yes I did know about this.

Trying finding a particular window with spacebar when you have 4+ windows open of that appliation.

If I have 5 chrome windows open (yes, this does happen in my workflow, even with tabbed browsing!), it takes some precision mousing (or trackpad work) to even hover your cursor above the window you want to see. And if I'm searching for a particular window, I don't want to have to "spacebar" each and ever windows. Its just a nuisance.

The point is, YES, I can find my window. But its just not very convenient for my workflow. Heck I could even just use the "all application windows" feature, like I said before. But if I'm working with more than 1 application, this is not very convenient either.

 

[Joos24]

And how about the stupidity that claims that Chess is an essential part of the operating system and refuses to let you delete it? Apple knows best and the thing they are fast becoming best at is control. First it's censoring for the app store, then it's perfectly usable functions taken from IOS like reverse scrolling and removal of "save as" which destroy continuity in OS X. Now it's hide the library and ban removal of unused and unwanted applications for no other reason that I can see other then because they were built by Apple and are therefore sacred.

Apple is more and more saying to its Mac users "take or leave it, we don't need you anymore."

You're making a big deal about the Chess game? Oy Vey.

Your post is very disturbing to a point it makes a person wonder why you are even using Apple's stuff at all, or do you? When I see posts like this all I can think of is "Just carry yourself back to Windows 7, you know, the OS that has way more features than any version Mac OS X"? No jokes, why have such a nasty rant when you have choices of other systems to use? It's not like you can't use Windows.

 

[LlamaLarry]

No documented issues my a££.....i downgraded to SL last week, after seveal weeks of frustration with lion, and it was the best thing I did since I started using macs some many years ago.

If you were willing to go scorched earth on your Mac to go back to SL, did you try a clean install of Lion first as well?

 

[Porco]

Same for Expose. Much better than it was for me. Before, it would just prop up every window from every application and it would be a mess to find what I needed. Now, I select the proper application and Expose to find a window within that application. 2 steps instead of 1 but much faster and more efficient at finding windows. Sometimes that extra step helps save time.

But you just described how single-app Expose always worked anyway[1] while complaining about all-window Expose for no reason. If you didn't like all-window Expose you never ever had to use it. You could have always used the dock or application switcher (assuming you weren't already in the app you were looking for a window in) then single-app Expose (which you don't seem to realise existed?). Mission control just repackages that functionality while jettisoning all-window Expose for no good reason, which sucks for those of us who liked it.

[1]http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2003/11/macosx-10-3.ars/8

 

[the8thark]

This ist NOT true!
If you buy recent hardware from Apple there will be no driver support for SL. So you can not downgrade at all.
If any of my machines fails, I am forced to look elsewhere.

I will not use Versions (I want to control myself what data I put under version control and what not).
Also, Resume is stupid. When I reboot my machine I want it to come up clean - for anything else I use Suspend.

Not my fault if you don't have a SL clone of your hard drive to revert to.
Versions and resume is not stupid. Both are excellent. I use them both all the time.
And if you have no driver support in SL, well that's the price of progress. It seems you want your cake and be able to eat it too. Does not work that way buddy.

 

[slippytoad]

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I wonder if this will fix the graphics switching black screen of death bug that plagues mid 2010 MacBook pros.

 

[RobertMartens]

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The delta version of the new build for updating from OS X 10.7.2 weighs in at 986 MB,

actually software doesn't weigh anything . You would be more accurate if you use the verb 'is' in place of 'weighs in at'

 

[kiantech]

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The delta version of the new build for updating from OS X 10.7.2 weighs in at 986 MB,

actually software doesn't weigh anything . You would be more accurate if you use the verb 'is' in place of 'weighs in at'

well if you want to be a smartass, ill be one back at you....it does weigh something.... watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WaUzu-iksi8

 

[RobertMartens]

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Or maybe just 1 extra option for each thing they meddle with called 'the old way if you still like it better, like we used to ourselves'?

Still not using Lion on my main machine, and the lack of all window Exposé as a mouse gesture / screen corner setting is one of the main reasons. Yeah, that's my 'personal preference', and in Snow Leopard I can exercise that preference, whereas in Lion I can't, which is why I am still preferring Snow Leopard.

I still think there's a chance we'll get the option, like we did when Stacks was broken, Apple like to try to force the new way of doing things to see if it sticks. Sometimes it doesn't.

Just 1 extra option? Where do you live? On Mars? I'm sure there are plenty people that think there should be a third option if not more and then it becomes a mess.

maybe he does live on mars. not all mr readers live in the US you know

there was this guy from alpha centauri on the forum the other day who claimed that Lion was 'light years ahead' of other operating systems in his quadrant

so please keep an open mind and remember not to criticize grammar to much

 

[RobertMartens]

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well I think your video link actually helps make my point

but the thrust of my comment was directed at Arn's insistence on using this phrase 'weighs in at' every time he lists the size of a download. He actually uses it twice in this single article and has used it countless times in the past.

I just suggest that it may be time to give it up and use 'is' instead

And please don't call me 'smart ass' Thank you

 

[Detektiv-Pinky]

Not my fault if you don't have a SL clone of your hard drive to revert to.
Versions and resume is not stupid. Both are excellent. I use them both all the time.
And if you have no driver support in SL, well that's the price of progress. It seems you want your cake and be able to eat it too. Does not work that way buddy.

Thank you for enlightening me about how the Apple ecosystem works, but I think you have some miscomprehension about the usefulness of a cloned harddrive --- when there is no driver-support for your current hardware.

I work since more than 20 years professionally with computers. I can access all my important data that was stored in an operating-system independent way as files on my computers from then. I will continue to do the same for the next 20 years to come - even if this means I have to move away from a once great Desktop-OS. I simply can not render myself hostile to a computer manufacturers wet dream...

Versions can be a major source of data loss if you work with non-hfs media.

 

[McKs]

Thank you for enlightening me about how the Apple ecosystem works, but I think you have some miscomprehension about the usefulness of a cloned harddrive --- when there is no driver-support for your current hardware.

I work since more than 20 years professionally with computers. I can access all my important data that was stored in an operating-system independent way as files on my computers from then. I will continue to do the same for the next 20 years to come - even if this means I have to move away from a once great Desktop-OS. I simply can not render myself hostile to a computer manufacturers wet dream...

Versions can be a major source of data loss if you work with non-hfs media.

versions, clunky as it is, is not the problem per se, it's auto-save's insistence that anytime a user opens any file, that file must be saved at all times. The fundamental flaw is that it requires users to anticipate their mistakes.
Where you used to be able to simply say " Wait, I didn't want that - don't save" after something went wrong, now you have to anticipate mistakes by making a duplicate version or are forced to spend a lot more time backtracking through the versions starwars thing.

If your file is on a file server (even OS X Lion!) or non hfs+ volume, auto-save becomes a recipe for disaster, because while Lion still auto-saves the file, version information is not being stored. Without "don't save" the only help is a time machine backup, which might be an hour old.
After so many complaints, I've actually had to switch my users from Pages back to Word.

 

[Detektiv-Pinky]

versions, clunky as it is, is not the problem per se, it's auto-save's insistence that anytime a user opens any file, that file must be saved at all times. The fundamental flaw is that it requires users to anticipate their mistakes.
Where you used to be able to simply say " Wait, I didn't want that - don't save" after something went wrong, now you have to anticipate mistakes by making a duplicate version or are forced to spend a lot more time backtracking through the versions starwars thing.

If your file is on a file server (even OS X Lion!) or non hfs+ volume, auto-save becomes a recipe for disaster, because while Lion still auto-saves the file, version information is not being stored. Without "don't save" the only help is a time machine backup, which might be an hour old.
After so many complaints, I've actually had to switch my users from Pages back to Word.

Thank you for your clarification. You are right. It is the combination of both factors and the inability to make an educated choice about what files to put under version control and what not, combined with the right tools for managing versions of files (a better FileMerge?).

What I find most disconcerting is the fact that all the other software companies now strive to be first to also support these 'features' in their applications. OmniGraffle seems to have major problems with this, since not all data can be easily stored as a diff and starts to become a huge resource draw.
Your move away from Pages will be a temporary solution only, because Microsoft is already working on making their software 'Lion-compatible'.

 

[the8thark]

Thank you for enlightening me about how the Apple ecosystem works, but I think you have some miscomprehension about the usefulness of a cloned harddrive --- when there is no driver-support for your current hardware.

I work since more than 20 years professionally with computers. I can access all my important data that was stored in an operating-system independent way as files on my computers from then. I will continue to do the same for the next 20 years to come - even if this means I have to move away from a once great Desktop-OS. I simply can not render myself hostile to a computer manufacturers wet dream...

Versions can be a major source of data loss if you work with non-hfs media.

Well that is the price you pay for using an OS someone else invented. If you want it all, go invent your own OS and use that.

 

[milo]

And please don't call me 'smart ass'

The best way to avoid that is probably not being one.

 

[PC Chopath]

icloud fixed?

 

[switcher75]

You're making a big deal about the Chess game? Oy Vey.

Your post is very disturbing to a point it makes a person wonder why you are even using Apple's stuff at all, or do you? When I see posts like this all I can think of is "Just carry yourself back to Windows 7, you know, the OS that has way more features than any version Mac OS X"? No jokes, why have such a nasty rant when you have choices of other systems to use? It's not like you can't use Windows.

You are easily disturbed. if you read my post, you should know that it ain't just chess It is the fact that Apple has taken anOS that was just about perfect for work and made changes and added things like reverse scrolling, Launch pad and removed things like save as. Some can be classified as bloatware and some as change for the sake of change. Some can be reversed and some cannot. Work flows that have been developed over years are disrupted by some of these changes. If Apple wants to market an OS for those who need new toys to play with thats OK with me. but at least allow those who do actual work on a computer to make changes as we have always been able to do and not give us the idiotic excuse that a game is critical to the functionality of the computer.

 

[Joos24]

You are easily disturbed. if you read my post, you should know that it ain't just chess It is the fact that Apple has taken anOS that was just about perfect for work and made changes and added things like reverse scrolling, Launch pad and removed things like save as. Some can be classified as bloatware and some as change for the sake of change. Some can be reversed and some cannot. Work flows that have been developed over years are disrupted by some of these changes. If Apple wants to market an OS for those who need new toys to play with thats OK with me. but at least allow those who do actual work on a computer to make changes as we have always been able to do and not give us the idiotic excuse that a game is critical to the functionality of the computer.

Those are your opinions and you're entitled to them.

 

[iSayuSay]

I want smooth zoom using TrackPad on Mail App .. please Apple.

 

[McKs]

Thank you for your clarification. You are right. It is the combination of both factors and the inability to make an educated choice about what files to put under version control and what not, combined with the right tools for managing versions of files (a better FileMerge?).

What I find most disconcerting is the fact that all the other software companies now strive to be first to also support these 'features' in their applications. OmniGraffle seems to have major problems with this, since not all data can be easily stored as a diff and starts to become a huge resource draw.
Your move away from Pages will be a temporary solution only, because Microsoft is already working on making their software 'Lion-compatible'.

I agree, this is worrying, though there are certainly signs of sanity here. The new version of GraphicConverter, for example has a preference setting to disable auto-save and versioning.
Fortunately, Office is already working well in Lion. If they introduce non-optional support for auto-save, I'm not applying those updates. That'll tied me over until Apple realizes that the data loss that auto-save is causing on file servers is actually a bug and hopefully fix it.
I'll still be wishing for a system-wide option to disable auto-save, but I know that's not going to happen. However I do think I can expect Apple to fix this stuff so it least works predictably, regardless of the location of the file.

 

[MacOG728893]

No major issues with an early 2010 white MacBook unibody. I do understand why some people would like SL Expose back and think this wouldn't be too hard for Apple to add as a preference.

With that said, I have stuck with SL on my 27 iMac for various reasons. I personally think Lion is more practical on laptops and thus, one of my main reasons for not switching on my iMac.

 

[natd1993]

I've just downloaded and installed the beta on my 2009 entry level MBP and can say that the operating system feels alot 'snappier'. Animations (for Launchpad and Mission Control) are no longer choppy when running off the battery, start ups seem faster (about a minute quicker than before) and battery life seems to be somewhat improved. Safari is still a memory hog though -.- .

 

[joelotron]

What about graphics card flickers / Repair Permissions?

I can live with LION as is, except for these issues :

•As of 10.7.2 my screen flickers sporadically. It can be remedied by disconnecting the cable to my graphics card and reattaching, but is annoying. (Old ADC display/brick)

•Not sure which build of LION introduced this, but can't repair permissions.(RAID)

Both of these issues I have read about on other forums. anxiously awaiting these issues to be fixed.

 

[cubbie5150]

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I wonder if this will fix the graphics switching black screen of death bug that plagues mid 2010 MacBook pros.

Or even the general graphics/video problems many of us are having on non-2010 models. My old, early 2007 2.16 C2D MBP suffers systems freezes & kernel panics w/ regularity whenever I watch videos (using QT/Perian, VLC or M PlayerX), especially if it's HD, 720p. I can boot from my Snow Leo install on firewire drive, play the same vid file w/ no issues. It's maddening having to hard re-start, then shut down the video app upon re-boot since the damn auto-resume "feature" can't be turned off