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Same problem here...

I got the same problem. Although I can install the update without any problems on an iMac, it'll react the way you described on my MBPro. Tried it 3 times, same mess! Incidentally, my sibling owns a similar MBPro to mine and he was able to install same seed successfully too. Quite frustrating really as the previous seed was crashing many of my apps, like Acrobat, etc, which the new seed appears to have repaired. :mad:
 
Anyone else think they released Snow Leopard 10A394 through Software Updater because they new so many non-developers were testing it?

Possibly; given the luke warm reception, Apple need all the hype they can get - if it means end users getting build updates then I think it is a small price to pay.

Well, either that, or Apple didn't want to force developers to download yet another 6GB dmg - for all the broadness in broadband, it takes time downloading, installing etc.
 
Apple won't replace the current QT icon until they are confident with all changes (sort of Apple's way of telling people that they're not done with it) but you won't have to wait long (what's a week or two after all).

There is also another 2 months they have up their sleeve for development - hopefully what we'll see is some decisions made to get some more features merged that they feel are stable enough.
 
The other main thing from what i have read is that the preview and recent updates still dont have the 64 bit kernel extentions. So i assume from that the OS is still 32bit?
 
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Anyone disappointed by the lack of a new UI (or Marble as it's being called) should check out iLeopard. Basically it's what marble will probably be and replaces all aqua UI elements with more Leopard-esque ones. Works like a charm for me.
 
The other main thing from what i have read is that the preview and recent updates still dont have the 64 bit kernel extentions. So i assume from that the OS is still 32bit?

Which is completely and utterly and patently and royally incorrect. It has been booting into 64bit for quite some time.
 
Which is completely and utterly and patently and royally incorrect. It has been booting into 64bit for quite some time.

It is partially correct. This seed still only have 64bit extensions from the most recent macs. Several early 2007-2008 Intel macbooks and macbook pro still can't boot to 64 kernel.

SL is both a 32bit/64bit kernel, it isn't a 64bit kernel only OS. Apple's site mentioned this as well that it will run 32bit for those that don't support 64bit (original Intel Core Duo macs).
 
It is partially correct. This seed still only have 64bit extensions from the most recent macs. Several early 2007-2008 Intel macbooks and macbook pro still can't boot to 64 kernel.

SL is both a 32bit/64bit kernel, it isn't a 64bit kernel only OS. Apple's site mentioned this as well that it will run 32bit for those that don't support 64bit (original Intel Core Duo macs).

I've got a MacBook and I had an interesting situation where the X3100 video driver is this weird fusion of 32 and 64bit, two of the three components are 32bit only, and one of them is dual 32/64bit. I'm wondering whether Apple has thrown in the towel or are they actually going provide a 64bit X3100 driver.
 
It is partially correct. This seed still only have 64bit extensions from the most recent macs. Several early 2007-2008 Intel macbooks and macbook pro still can't boot to 64 kernel.

SL is both a 32bit/64bit kernel, it isn't a 64bit kernel only OS. Apple's site mentioned this as well that it will run 32bit for those that don't support 64bit (original Intel Core Duo macs).

Ok i dont get this, how do you know if its running in 64bit mode?

Cheers
 
I've got a MacBook and I had an interesting situation where the X3100 video driver is this weird fusion of 32 and 64bit, two of the three components are 32bit only, and one of them is dual 32/64bit. I'm wondering whether Apple has thrown in the towel or are they actually going provide a 64bit X3100 driver.

This shows the state of development that Apple is in. It hasn't finished developing all the 64bit extensions yet. 64bit extensions actually started to show up 3-4 seeds ago, about 2 months ago IIRC.

Each new seeds will bring more 64bit extensions as it comes in. It is possible Apple may not provide 64bit SL support to all 64bit laptops, they could postpone the rest of the work for 10.6.1 update.

Ok i dont get this, how do you know if its running in 64bit mode?

Cheers
Go to your System Profiler and Click Software Tab.


Look for 64-bit Kernel and Extensions which is second from bottom.
 
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Anyone disappointed by the lack of a new UI (or Marble as it's being called) should check out iLeopard. Basically it's what marble will probably be and replaces all aqua UI elements with more Leopard-esque ones. Works like a charm for me.

I want more than just some new scroll bars. Give me something like Pathfinder ... as the New Finder. But the current finder works well enough as it is and PathFinder is a 3rd party program that replaces the finder if you want so I will be happy with that.
 
The other main thing from what i have read is that the preview and recent updates still dont have the 64 bit kernel extentions. So i assume from that the OS is still 32bit?

It is partially correct. This seed still only have 64bit extensions from the most recent macs. Several early 2007-2008 Intel macbooks and macbook pro still can't boot to 64 kernel.

SL is both a 32bit/64bit kernel, it isn't a 64bit kernel only OS. Apple's site mentioned this as well that it will run 32bit for those that don't support 64bit (original Intel Core Duo macs).

I've got a MacBook and I had an interesting situation where the X3100 video driver is this weird fusion of 32 and 64bit, two of the three components are 32bit only, and one of them is dual 32/64bit. I'm wondering whether Apple has thrown in the towel or are they actually going provide a 64bit X3100 driver.

This shows the state of development that Apple is in. It hasn't finished developing all the 64bit extensions yet. 64bit extensions actually started to show up 3-4 seeds ago, about 2 months ago IIRC.


Are there any good explanations of what Apple is doing with 64-bit OS? Were the promises of true 64-bit for 10.6 empty, or is there just a lot more work to do?

Microsoft's clean break between 32-bit and 64-bit operation systems is beginning to look like a lot cleaner way to make the jump to true 64-bit.
 
Are there any good explanations of what Apple is doing with 64-bit OS? Were the promises of true 64-bit for 10.6 empty, or is there just a lot more work to do?

Microsoft's clean break between 32-bit and 64-bit operation systems is beginning to look like a lot cleaner way to make the jump to true 64-bit.
64-bit only on certain machines too? This is going downhill fast.
 
Are there any good explanations of what Apple is doing with 64-bit OS? Were the promises of true 64-bit for 10.6 empty, or is there just a lot more work to do?

Microsoft's clean break between 32-bit and 64-bit operation systems is beginning to look like a lot cleaner way to make the jump to true 64-bit.

64-bit only on certain machines too? This is going downhill fast.

There's nothing to worry about. Promises of true 64bit OS are not false or empty. It has been running in pure 64bit mode on some of the Mac desktops and some unibody Macs. Microsoft had the same issue when they first released Vista. Some people could not find 64 bit drivers for some of their hardware parts and don't forget the disaster that is the XP 64.

You must also understand that all extensions must be 64bit in order to run 64bit kernel. Which means if your mac hardware has 99% extensions ready for 64bit, it still won't boot until that last 1% code is converted to 64bit. There is no exception at all.

Again, Apple has 2 months of full development left and also the seeds that we are using are not the latest codes from all the teams. 10a394 may have been built after WWDC for all we know. Apple is probably 2 months ahead of us in terms of coding.
 
There's nothing to worry about. Promises of true 64bit OS are not false or empty. It has been running in pure 64bit mode on some of the Mac desktops and some unibody Macs. Microsoft had the same issue when they first released Vista. Some people could not find 64 bit drivers for some of their hardware parts...

The justification that "Apple makes the whole widget" rings hollow here. Microsoft's 64-bit systems supported most mainstream devices out-of-the box.

Apple controls everything, but 2 months out from release there are still mainstream high volume Apples that can't run 64-bit?

That's scary....


... and don't forget the disaster that is the XP 64.

Funny you say that - since I'm typing on an octo-core Xeon that came from Dell with XP-64, was upgraded to Vista x64, and is now running Windows 7 RC x64.

XP-64 was a pain if you had a bunch of old PCI cards that you wanted to connect. If you got a new system, it was easy to find devices with x64 support.

But, point taken. With Vista and especially Windows 7, x64 is a full sibling with x86. And the balance is starting to tip, the end of x86 support is starting to show - some things are here that are x64 only.


You must also understand that all extensions must be 64bit in order to run 64bit kernel. Which means if your mac hardware has 99% extensions ready for 64bit, it still won't boot until that last 1% code is converted to 64bit. There is no exception at all.

It's good to hear that Apple is following the cleaner path that Microsoft took. The earlier message wasn't clear that 64-bit was all or nothing.


Again, Apple has 2 months of full development left and also the seeds that we are using are not the latest codes from all the teams. 10a394 may have been built after WWDC for all we know. Apple is probably 2 months ahead of us in terms of coding.

Apple is not two months ahead in testing, though.
 
The justification that "Apple makes the whole widget" rings hollow here. Microsoft's 64-bit systems supported most mainstream devices out-of-the box.

Apple controls everything, but 2 months out from release there are still mainstream high volume Apples that can't run 64-bit?

That's scary....




Funny you say that - since I'm typing on an octo-core Xeon that came from Dell with XP-64, was upgraded to Vista x64, and is now running Windows 7 RC x64.

XP-64 was a pain if you had a bunch of old PCI cards that you wanted to connect. If you got a new system, it was easy to find devices with x64 support.

But, point taken. With Vista and especially Windows 7, x64 is a full sibling with x86. And the balance is starting to tip, the end of x86 support is starting to show - some things are here that are x64 only.




It's good to hear that Apple is following the cleaner path that Microsoft took. The earlier message wasn't clear that 64-bit was all or nothing.




Apple is not two months ahead in testing, though.

Wait, Apple does testing on 10.x releases? Since when? I thought the testing comes after the final 10.x release and then all the fixes show up in 10.x.x?

:rolleyes:
 
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