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Apple Seeds OS X Snow Leopard Build 10A394 to Developers
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Could be true
This is an interesting theory. Could very well be true, but what would be the implication of that?
This is an interesting theory. Could very well be true, but what would be the implication of that?
Random freezing of trackpad & keyboard
May 2006 Macbook 13" with 10A394 also having ridiculously random freezing of trackpad & keyboard
May 2006 Macbook 13" with 10A394 also having ridiculously random freezing of trackpad & keyboard
Letting more people do the dirty testing work. We already know all the features at this point, so they might as well lax on the privacy, sort of like what Microsoft did with Windows 7. Just let everybody in and give feedback, and come out with an even better product because of it.
"privacy" or "piracy"? The latter makes more sense.
With Windows 7, Microsoft is actively recruiting testers - Apple certainly isn't doing anything like that. At best they're looking the other way at pirate copies of the WWDC kit.
Microsoft's Windows 7 beta and rc "releases" are a brilliant strategy. By letting millions of supported copies out, they are getting something much more than just testing.
They are getting the users to put pressure on the maker of anything that needs updating for Win7. For example, Nvidia already has WHQL drivers for both x86 and x64 versions of Win7 listed on their standard downloads page.
For the few cases where Vista software won't install on Win7, the makers are getting hammered with questions about "when?" in their user forums.
Brilliant strategy - by the time of the October release there won't be much of the "X won't run on Win7" complaints!
Whew - I thought that I was the only one. My trackpad freezes, although the keyboard continues to work. I'm sure Apple will have it worked out in the final.
What is this I hear about not being able to install the final release over the beta?
Mac OS X is based on Unix code with other opensource parts, so those parts of the OS are tested by the people all the time. Apple takes those parts and integrates into OS. The only part that needs testing is their one applications and frameworks and they have more than enough registered developers along with their own programmers to test those parts. No need for public testing. Microsoft is another story.
True, but given the nature of the Snow Leopard release Apple needs all the hype they can muster; just look at this thread alone - pages upon pages of talking, then we'll talk to friends, use our twitters, update our blogs. Its an infectious marketing ploy which has a hell of alot more credence listening to real world stories than a perfectly orchestrated television, web and print marketing in an official capacity.
Integration requires testing. You cannot take source code from dozens of different places, make small modifications to some of them, complile them all together and expect perfection -- even if each individual piece was (unlikely) perfect.
Also, aren't we actually talking about Apple-specific extensions here (the 64-bit extensions). Stuff that Apple has to write, and that nobody has tested in the wild?
"No need for public testing"? Haha. There are plenty of examples of cases where clearly Apple's "software surprises" were shipped with bugs that would likely have been caught had more open testing been performed.
Microsoft is the innovator here - getting unpaid legions of real users to download and test software. And the test software will automatically generate problem reports and (with opt-in) send them to MS. The Win7 Beta actually had an extra button on each window's title bar labeled "Send feedback to Microsoft" - if you noticed a problem, very easy to report.
And you think that this Windows 7 beta public testing will pay off? We shall see very soon
The only thing that hurts quality of Apple desktop software is IPHONE and all the hype behind it and not that "let public beta test it" crap and you know it, so stop.10a394 File not found update error
Hallowhero (and others with this issue) I started with system console - looking at the system.log under 'Files'. I set a marker, tried the update, let it fail then looked at the results in the log. This gave me an idea what was causing errors. I then showed hidden files, and went hunting for the offending files - backed them up to a separate folder, then deleted them from their original locations, until I no longer had any errors in the log. Main culprit for me was Parallels and possibly Version Cue CS2 (no clue why there were even files related to it, been through two software upgrades since, but took it out too.) Also giving me problems were a VPN app I'd installed for Nortel (Contivity), old version of Quicktime that had been moved from the the default location (anything moved from default location can cause an issue, as several apps are overwritten with new versions).
Here are the log entries and what I did to troubleshoot:
{{None of these Receipts were needed, or, if needed, I have original software, so I deleted the offending packages.}}}:
Jun 26 19:32:30 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Flip4Mac QuickTime Components.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:30 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Flip4Mac Web Plugins.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:30 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/GoogleVoiceandVideo.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install KeyStation Pro.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install KeyStation.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install Pavilion.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install PitchBoards Pro 2.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install Platform.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/IOXIndustrial-1.1.2b9.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Nleac.pkg
{{This was the error that clued me in on the bad location/version of QuickTime - didn't cause an error when I installed the Dev. Preview, but on this update, sure didn't like it.}}:
Jun 26 19:33:26 MacPro Software Update[510]: Error Domain=NSCocoaErrorDomain Code=4 UserInfo=0x1165bce00 "The file QuickTime Player 7.app doesnt exist." {\n NSDestinationFilePath = "/var/folders/zz/zzzivhrRnAmviuee+++++++++++/-Tmp-/PKInstallSandbox-tmp/Root/Applications/Utilities/QuickTime Player.app";\n NSFilePath = "/var/folders/zz/zzzivhrRnAmviuee+++++++++++/-Tmp-/PKInstallSandbox-tmp/Root/Applications/Utilities/QuickTime Player 7.app";\n NSUserStringVariant = Move;\n}
{{Problem with automator - certain things aren't the same - so I removed all startup files that used it - including MAMP. Had to rename this file in the end}}:
Jun 26 20:03:24 MacPro org.apache.httpd[1312]: Syntax error on line 1 of /private/etc/apache2/users/klowe2112.conf:
Jun 26 20:03:24 MacPro org.apache.httpd[1312]: Invalid command 'cd', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
If you continue to have issues after troubleshooting your logs, I'd suggest a clean install. However, if you'd like me to look at your logs, send them to shodai34@mail.com along with the steps you've taken so far and I'll see if I can help.
Again - nothing about the NDA indicates we can't be civil and help explain troubleshooting processes. Just because we are all-mighty developers does not mean we all understand how to troubleshoot the OS. Elite bastards we are, we should be CIVIL bastards. And on the Mac vs. Windows thing. One thing we desperately need: Command-X to CUT!!!!!! I hate having to open multiple windows just to move files. Windows OS's since Win98 have gotten file organization and management right. (just nothing else.)
For Life.
Hallowhero (and others with this issue) I started with system console - looking at the system.log under 'Files'. I set a marker, tried the update, let it fail then looked at the results in the log. This gave me an idea what was causing errors. I then showed hidden files, and went hunting for the offending files - backed them up to a separate folder, then deleted them from their original locations, until I no longer had any errors in the log. Main culprit for me was Parallels and possibly Version Cue CS2 (no clue why there were even files related to it, been through two software upgrades since, but took it out too.) Also giving me problems were a VPN app I'd installed for Nortel (Contivity), old version of Quicktime that had been moved from the the default location (anything moved from default location can cause an issue, as several apps are overwritten with new versions).
Here are the log entries and what I did to troubleshoot:
{{None of these Receipts were needed, or, if needed, I have original software, so I deleted the offending packages.}}}:
Jun 26 19:32:30 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Flip4Mac QuickTime Components.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:30 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Flip4Mac Web Plugins.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:30 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/GoogleVoiceandVideo.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install KeyStation Pro.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install KeyStation.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install Pavilion.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install PitchBoards Pro 2.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install Platform.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/IOXIndustrial-1.1.2b9.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Nleac.pkg
{{This was the error that clued me in on the bad location/version of QuickTime - didn't cause an error when I installed the Dev. Preview, but on this update, sure didn't like it.}}:
Jun 26 19:33:26 MacPro Software Update[510]: Error Domain=NSCocoaErrorDomain Code=4 UserInfo=0x1165bce00 "The file QuickTime Player 7.app doesnt exist." {\n NSDestinationFilePath = "/var/folders/zz/zzzivhrRnAmviuee+++++++++++/-Tmp-/PKInstallSandbox-tmp/Root/Applications/Utilities/QuickTime Player.app";\n NSFilePath = "/var/folders/zz/zzzivhrRnAmviuee+++++++++++/-Tmp-/PKInstallSandbox-tmp/Root/Applications/Utilities/QuickTime Player 7.app";\n NSUserStringVariant = Move;\n}
{{Problem with automator - certain things aren't the same - so I removed all startup files that used it - including MAMP. Had to rename this file in the end}}:
Jun 26 20:03:24 MacPro org.apache.httpd[1312]: Syntax error on line 1 of /private/etc/apache2/users/klowe2112.conf:
Jun 26 20:03:24 MacPro org.apache.httpd[1312]: Invalid command 'cd', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
If you continue to have issues after troubleshooting your logs, I'd suggest a clean install. However, if you'd like me to look at your logs, send them to shodai34@mail.com along with the steps you've taken so far and I'll see if I can help.
Again - nothing about the NDA indicates we can't be civil and help explain troubleshooting processes. Just because we are all-mighty developers does not mean we all understand how to troubleshoot the OS. Elite bastards we are, we should be CIVIL bastards. And on the Mac vs. Windows thing. One thing we desperately need: Command-X to CUT!!!!!! I hate having to open multiple windows just to move files. Windows OS's since Win98 have gotten file organization and management right. (just nothing else.)
For Life.And you think that this Windows 7 beta public testing will pay off? We shall see very soon
I don't understand why people say this. We have already seen Windows 7, and it runs great!
Apple DOES do public betas of some products.
Um. Most new versions of Safari are released as public betas before a final release. Public betas are a well known, well understood process for almost all software companies who produce for the public. (Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, and many others). I'm not sure I understand this debate, or get the point? Both Microsoft and Apple have some real hits under their belts and some real stinkers. Both OSX and Vista have good points and bad, and having some sort of competition in the OS market is a good thing for everyone. I'm not sure I understand why Apple's decision not to have a public beta of Snow Leopard is such a hotly debated topic? Beta testing helps get near release software to an extremely wide base of users who report bugs, it helps tremendously for identifying all those little things that are difficult if not impossible to test for. I think OSX doesn't need a public beta as bad, because it is meant to run on dedicated hardware - far fewer variables to test against that way.
Either way - who cares and why?
-Kev
Um. Most new versions of Safari are released as public betas before a final release. Public betas are a well known, well understood process for almost all software companies who produce for the public. (Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, and many others). I'm not sure I understand this debate, or get the point? Both Microsoft and Apple have some real hits under their belts and some real stinkers. Both OSX and Vista have good points and bad, and having some sort of competition in the OS market is a good thing for everyone. I'm not sure I understand why Apple's decision not to have a public beta of Snow Leopard is such a hotly debated topic? Beta testing helps get near release software to an extremely wide base of users who report bugs, it helps tremendously for identifying all those little things that are difficult if not impossible to test for. I think OSX doesn't need a public beta as bad, because it is meant to run on dedicated hardware - far fewer variables to test against that way.
Either way - who cares and why?
-Kev
May 2006 Macbook 13" with 10A394 also having ridiculously random freezing of trackpad & keyboard
Same, just happened a few minutes ago. Keyboard was responsive but often time the trackpad stops for a few.
Hallowhero (and others with this issue) I started with system console - looking at the system.log under 'Files'. I set a marker, tried the update, let it fail then looked at the results in the log. This gave me an idea what was causing errors. I then showed hidden files, and went hunting for the offending files - backed them up to a separate folder, then deleted them from their original locations, until I no longer had any errors in the log. Main culprit for me was Parallels and possibly Version Cue CS2 (no clue why there were even files related to it, been through two software upgrades since, but took it out too.) Also giving me problems were a VPN app I'd installed for Nortel (Contivity), old version of Quicktime that had been moved from the the default location (anything moved from default location can cause an issue, as several apps are overwritten with new versions).
Here are the log entries and what I did to troubleshoot:
{{None of these Receipts were needed, or, if needed, I have original software, so I deleted the offending packages.}}}:
Jun 26 19:32:30 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Flip4Mac QuickTime Components.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:30 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Flip4Mac Web Plugins.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:30 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/GoogleVoiceandVideo.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install KeyStation Pro.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install KeyStation.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install Pavilion.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install PitchBoards Pro 2.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Install Platform.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/IOXIndustrial-1.1.2b9.pkg
Jun 26 19:32:31 MacPro Software Update[510]: PackageKit: *** Missing bundle identifier: /Library/Receipts/Nleac.pkg
{{This was the error that clued me in on the bad location/version of QuickTime - didn't cause an error when I installed the Dev. Preview, but on this update, sure didn't like it.}}:
Jun 26 19:33:26 MacPro Software Update[510]: Error Domain=NSCocoaErrorDomain Code=4 UserInfo=0x1165bce00 "The file QuickTime Player 7.app doesnt exist." {\n NSDestinationFilePath = "/var/folders/zz/zzzivhrRnAmviuee+++++++++++/-Tmp-/PKInstallSandbox-tmp/Root/Applications/Utilities/QuickTime Player.app";\n NSFilePath = "/var/folders/zz/zzzivhrRnAmviuee+++++++++++/-Tmp-/PKInstallSandbox-tmp/Root/Applications/Utilities/QuickTime Player 7.app";\n NSUserStringVariant = Move;\n}
{{Problem with automator - certain things aren't the same - so I removed all startup files that used it - including MAMP. Had to rename this file in the end}}:
Jun 26 20:03:24 MacPro org.apache.httpd[1312]: Syntax error on line 1 of /private/etc/apache2/users/klowe2112.conf:
Jun 26 20:03:24 MacPro org.apache.httpd[1312]: Invalid command 'cd', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
If you continue to have issues after troubleshooting your logs, I'd suggest a clean install. However, if you'd like me to look at your logs, send them to shodai34@mail.com along with the steps you've taken so far and I'll see if I can help.
Again - nothing about the NDA indicates we can't be civil and help explain troubleshooting processes. Just because we are all-mighty developers does not mean we all understand how to troubleshoot the OS. Elite bastards we are, we should be CIVIL bastards. And on the Mac vs. Windows thing. One thing we desperately need: Command-X to CUT!!!!!! I hate having to open multiple windows just to move files. Windows OS's since Win98 have gotten file organization and management right. (just nothing else.)
Just a side issue, I assume you did do a clean install and not an upgrade. All the trouble shooting in the world is pointless if you did an upgrade instead of a clean install.
No, Apple isn't trying to assist thieves. And you aren't helping them by pirating unreleased versions of their software.
They do this after builds distributed at WWDC because there are people present who do not have ADC select/premier accounts. Certain people such as lucky student ADC members are present, and are given discs. Releasing updates over software update lets them stay ontop of things even though they can't download new seeds.
Tiger runs great for me. Leopard runs great for me. Without public beta tests
And if that's the case how many people in reality would test it? You know that not all intel Mac's currnetly can run Snow Leopard because of 64 bit kernel with incomplete kext base. So how many? 10 000?I'm not running Snow Leopard, but thanks for the accusations and helping Apple out, vigilante.
I was referring to the "We'll see" part of the comment of whether Windows 7 will be good or not, not whether OS X needs a public beta or not. I agree with you, though.
Update error, cont.
Actually, I did do an upgrade. Which allowed this problem to occur - but my post is an example of how to troubleshoot the problem (I was successful and was able to run the update, hence my troubleshooting is not pointless ).
I did recommend in the post that if troubleshooting using the system log doesn't help, the user do a clean install.
Actually, I did do an upgrade. Which allowed this problem to occur - but my post is an example of how to troubleshoot the problem (I was successful and was able to run the update, hence my troubleshooting is not pointless
).I did recommend in the post that if troubleshooting using the system log doesn't help, the user do a clean install.
Funny, Microsoft has been implementing "public testing" for it's beta software for decades - by merely pawning their beta OS's to the public in the guise of GM releases. Agreed, open source code is exponentially easier to maintain when compared to a closed source code such as Windows, making it is far easier to identify errors and vulnerabilities.
Incidentally, SL will be the first mainstream OS to be totally 64 bit, without the offering of a watered down 32 bit version. (as with W7) By continuing to support 32 bit in 2010, Windows driver developers will likely be less motivated to delve into serious 64 bit development.
Also not looking forward to:
Windows 7 Starter
Windows 7 Home Basic (32bit and 64bit)
Windows 7 Home Premium (32bit and 64bit)
Windows 7 Small Business (32bit and 64bit)
Windows 7 Enterprise (32bit and 64bit)
Windows 7 Professional (32bit and 64bit)
Windows 7 Ultimate (32bit and 64bit)
To Microsoft's (dis)credit, this is a clever strategy for milking extra $ for upgrading from Starter --> Basic --> Premium --> Ultimate - for an already exorbitantly overpriced OS. Although Win 7 does seem to run much more efficiently than does Vista, I'm not sure that 'good enough' will have the potential to sway the majority of corporations and businesses to upgrade - we'll see in October.
Meanwhile, MS has been hard at work with an advertising campaign for IE 8 ...utterly desperate, one may surmise.
That is odd, I thought all you needed was an Intel Mac to run SL? Which would indicate that the first Macbooks and Mac Minis should run SL just fine in 32bit mode...
Fixed it for you.
Look at it this way - when Microsoft drops 32-bit support in "Windows 6.2", they simply stop building the 32-bit discs. Much harder for Apple to clean the 32-bit code out of the melange in 10.7. Also note that Microsoft has clearly stated that Windows 7 will be the last version of Windows client that will run on 32-bit machines. Compare that clear stance with all the "will 10.6 support PowerPC?" confusion over the last year.
And your concern about 64-bit Windows 7 drivers is pure ininformed FUD (or worse, intentional misinformation). The Windows driver development model makes it easy to build both 32-bit and 64-bit drivers from a single source. Microsoft requires that any product work on both x86 and x64 in order to get the Vista (and Win7) logo.
Besides, Apple will have exactly the same requirement for both 32-bit and 64-bit drivers as long as the first Yonah 32-bit systems are supported. Your post is clearly a case of the camel not seeing the crookedness of his own neck.... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black#Similar_idioms_in_other_languages)
I dont think you understand the legal definition of the term 'theft'. Despite what the corporate world would like you to think, theft and copyright infringement are totally different concepts.
But we're not in a court of law.
In common English usage, "taking something without paying the price normally charged by the maker of the thing" is "theft".
However you define it, though, both are wrong.