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Apple Seeds OS X Snow Leopard Build 10A394 to Developers

coolpal said:
I am taking it a little further.... I waited until WWDC build to try SL on my MBP... but two of my favorite apps are broken (Quicksilver and Cyberduck) and there are a lot of other annoyances, like 1Password is broken with 64bit safari, my office VPN client crashes etc.,
I like the speed improvements and definitely like the new dock expose from today's update but it is very likely that I will revert back to 10.5 soon.

pal :)
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1Password is not broken with 64bit Safari, you have to run 1Password in 32bit mode via Finder and change a line in the text file to support the latest version of Safari in SL. Click this link to see more info.

http://update.cyberduck.ch/nightly/alpha/ is the access to SL ready builds of Cyberduck but it is alpha quality. The devs don't have access to 10.6 to test it. Do not update the build when it asked to update it, it is talking about 3.2.1 build while this alpha is 3.3a. I am using the alpha, works fine on this seed.

Most developers don't have access to the 10.6 seeds or the new APIs, so they are stuck on figuring out how to fix their applications for Snow Leopard. That's why not all of the applications will work right out of the box. Many applications actually hardcode their applications to use specific MAC OS X versions in order to take advantage of the APIs. A lot of them could be fixed just by adding 10.6 to the list.
 
MikhailT said:
The fact that you have no gripes with 10.5 right now suggests you could not go wrong with Snow Leopard, it is after all only 29$. It is not a major departure from Leopard except for the under the hood changes. Dock expose actually is fun to use and does help with multiple windows management far more than Expose could in 10.5.
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Oh don't get me wrong. I will definitely buy it, especially at that price. It's just that I don't feel that sense of "hurry up already" that I had with 10.2-10.4, in hopes that the 2-3 major issues I had with those versions would be fixed. This time around there are literally no problems I need addressed.
 
AidenShaw said:
"Dock Exposé" sounds like it's somewhat similar to the Windows 7 taskbar behaviour.

Could someone who's familiar with both please comment on the pros and cons of each approach to the problem of finding or viewing a window that's not currently onscreen or in focus....

I find the Windows 7 taskbar to be brilliant when you're replying to an email, but forgot one bit of info. You can hover->hover->hover and see the original mail - then move the mouse a bit and you're back in your reply editor window without ever losing focus. To me this is huge - look at any window on the system, then back where you are in an instant. (Not "back where you were" - it's big that focus never leaves the starting window.)
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They are both very cool in their own way. I can definitely tell you that they are not the same. Dock Expose is all about taking the whole screen whereas W7 is more of tiny version of Expose contained in a very small window that shows up on top of the icon. Dock Expose also does not bring focus back if you try to drag stuff across Space or Dock Expose, HOWEVER, it does have quicklook working in both Dock Expose and Expose, so it does do what you said.

Everybody benefits from both OS.
 
inkswamp said:
Oh don't get me wrong. I will definitely buy it, especially at that price. It's just that I don't feel that sense of "hurry up already" that I had with 10.2-10.4, in hopes that the 2-3 major issues I had with those versions would be fixed. This time around there are literally no problems I need addressed.
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I know what you mean. Now you should think about the possibilities with 10.7. With all the new APIs and new technologies under the hood, there could be a lot of innovative features coming including a major GUI change in 10.7 taking advantage of all the OpenCL and GCD combined.
 
Anyone else installing the update notice Macfuse now shows up in system prefrences?
 
The dock expose itself is worth the $30 upgrade.

Window management is one place where OS X seriously lacks comparing to Windows. (Another is Finder).

I still think Windows Explorer interface is better than SL's Finder... actually, the XP implementation is the best, Vista messed up by trying to copy OS X's eye candy and made file selection a royal mess on the way. I haven't looked at Windows 7 yet.

Windows task bar is way way way easier than windows management in pre-SL OS X. With Dock Expose, finally it is as easy on Mac.
 
Ampidire said:
It wouldn't even turn on, it would show as connected when I started the machine, then I'd click on the menubar icon and it'd just fade out, turn itself off, and everything would disconnect, was super annoying, went back to 10.5.7 after a day of it, and not even the BT firmware update helped which was conveniently released just after 10A380 was seeded so I was hoping it'd help.
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Ahh yeah I had that problem for a couple of days. I'm not actually sure what fixed it though. It may have been the bluetooth firmware update.. My mouse hasn't disconnected yet on this build, but it's only been a couple of hours.

I also started having problems with my built-in audio disabling itself yesterday but it seems to have automagically been fixed by this update.
 
mathcolo said:
Even if it released before the 8th, new computers may not be preloaded with Snow Leopard until a while later. You may luck out and get a disc included with the machine (CPU Drop-in DVD), or you may have to use the Up-To-Date program.
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The Up-To-Date site is up, but when i log in, there is nothing in the shopping cart.
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Am I the only one who thinks being able to PREVIEW a window by hitting space bar to enlarge it without actually OPENING the window is a waste of time? I thought that's what expose was for, to be able to preview and select your window, as they're laid out, the way it is in the picture at the start of this thread. . .
 
Tower-Union said:
Am I the only one who thinks being able to PREVIEW a window by hitting space bar to enlarge it without actually OPENING the window is a waste of time? I thought that's what expose was for, to be able to preview and select your window, as they're laid out, the way it is in the picture at the start of this thread. . .
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Multiple spreadsheets with numbers or documents of text is the main target of that. So no, it's not useless.
 
Tower-Union said:
Am I the only one who thinks being able to PREVIEW a window by hitting space bar to enlarge it without actually OPENING the window is a waste of time? I thought that's what expose was for, to be able to preview and select your window, as they're laid out, the way it is in the picture at the start of this thread. . .
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It's good when you have heaps of similar windows open at the same time, like heaps of Word/Pages documents. The Exposé motion of expanding everything can get confusing & is annoying to have to keep going back in to until you click the document that you wanted. It's not going to be needed every time you use Exposé, but I think it's a great addition for when you do need it.
 
logotype said:
Maybe just something i've missed... but in the Dock settings dialogue, there is a button "minimize windows to program icon" (translated).

Is that new for this build?

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And if this function is used, and e.g. some Finder windows is minimized, they are shown in the new Exposé separated in smaller windows at the bottom.
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Oh, man, I just tried that. I have wanted that for so long! Thanks for pointing it out!
 
logotype said:
Maybe just something i've missed... but in the Dock settings dialogue, there is a button "minimize windows to program icon" (translated).

Is that new for this build?

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And if this function is used, and e.g. some Finder windows is minimized, they are shown in the new Exposé separated in smaller windows at the bottom.
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The "minimize to Dock icon" is definitely new. It doesn't really do anything differently, it just saves you some space on the Dock. (And it makes it act a bit more like the Windows taskbar.)
 
Just a quick question to people who are using snow leopard. Do all your applications (which I assume were designed as 32 bit) work with snow leopard? I really want to download from a torrent and try it out.
 
Quillz said:
The "minimize to Dock icon" is definitely new. It doesn't really do anything differently, it just saves you some space on the Dock. (And it makes it act a bit more like the Windows taskbar.)
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I'm sorry, what exactly does this do?
 
atheros07 said:
What exactly (graphically) is it doing though? Say If I minimize a Firefox window, is it tiling the window behind the Firefox dock icon?
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nope, just does the genie effect into the firefox icon, and the dissapears. you click the firefox icon to bring it back up, same way as clicking a minimized icon on the left of the dock does in leopard. or you can click and hold on the firefox icon to see a little expose thing of it while its still minimized
 
When you [Tab] through Expose, programs without windows show you an empty grayed screen. Like on Finder with all of its windows closed. Feels like a bug.
 
window management in expose

is there any way to close windows (ie: cmd+w) while in expose using a keyboard shortcut while your mouse is hovering over the window you would like to close? now THAT would be a fantastic feature. the "witch" pref pane is the closest thing i have found, but it would be very useful to be able to close a few windows while they were expose'd instead of "expose-->activate window-->cmd+w-->expose again-->activate window-->cmd+w"
 
I wish there was some sort of visual recognition that there is a minimized window "behind" the icon. There is a dot next to minimized windows when you right click on the app in the dock but that's not nearly enough. A different colored indicator or a tag on the icon maybe...

Also, the whole OS feels faster (snappier, if you will) with this update which is great.
 
MikhailT said:
They are both very cool in their own way. I can definitely tell you that they are not the same. Dock Expose is all about taking the whole screen whereas W7 is more of tiny version of Expose contained in a very small window that shows up on top of the icon. Dock Expose also does not bring focus back if you try to drag stuff across Space or Dock Expose, HOWEVER, it does have quicklook working in both Dock Expose and Expose, so it does do what you said.

Everybody benefits from both OS.
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That's not quite correct about windows. In addition to the small thumbnails which appear when you hover your mouse over an icon in the taskbar, when you then hover your mouse over one of those thumbnails you get a full screen preview of that particular window (aka aero peek).

See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFrlVTuekjE

Also, at least in IE, tabs are displayed in there own thumbnail. I really need to stop using tabs and just expose my way around (perhaps with the new layout and window placement consistency in SL i'll be able to do that).


Note: I use macs at home, using windows at work and university (when I left my laptop at home). I bootcamped Windows 7 RC for while (but couldn't justify keeping the partition on my meagre 110gb drive).
 
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