Apple Seeds Rumored Golden Master Mac OS X 10.6 (10A432) to Developers

[pilotError]

Thanks all.

Does anyone/everyone here running 10A432 think it is stable/polished enough to install as my main OS? I don't use my machine for work.

Obviously if it is the GM, then Apple thinks it's stable/polished enough, but even if 10A432 is not the GM, what do you all think?

It is pretty solid, but for the whole 30 days, I would wait and just buy it for the $29. At least this way you know.

I don't think it is; I personally think that the person who started the leak got it wrong and the date of 28 is the date of orders from Apple or the definite shipping date will be announced by then.

Just look at the number of claims since the beginning of the year regarding the GM date of Snow Leopard as poof - the GM is when Apple says it is, not because some tipster claims he is the all knowing guru of all things Mac.

I agree on the 8/28 date. It may be the earliest to get it back from the duplicator/packager, but then they need to get it to the distributors and ultimately the stores. I would think that would be another 2 weeks on the end of that date just to get everything in place.

 

[wase4711]

It is pretty solid, but for the whole 30 days, I would wait and just buy it for the $29. At least this way you know.

Hard to say just after a day or 2; its very stable, no errors, freeze ups, kernel panics or anything like that..plus, if you are running time machine, you will always have a way to restore/back up your data if something weird does happen.

I runs just like a release OS, and not a beta, so, I would say go for it...

 

[maxsquared]

Is it just me or Snow Leopard break some Firefox extensions such as Weave? It syncs but nothing shows up.

 

[DELLsFan]

And soon this seed shall grow into a money tree...

LOL!

 

[macgitf]

OK guys, I installed it, and I'll develop why I am sure that this is not the GM version (but we are near) :

- there is still some lags with Spaces (see below)
- Some of the documentation (french example here) has not been changed entirely
- No QuickTime X preferences (even minimalist, like "play video at launch")
- DVD player is not 64bits ready
- Windows 7 drivers are not finished
- No text subsitution in Mail 4.0 (the help section from System preferences is annoncing it for iChat, TextEdit and… iMovie ! xD)
- And last (for now), this non-default-64bits-kernel.


So, I have an image (and a video, I am editing it) of this Spaces glitch and lag, could you verify it ?
When you have 4 Spaces, switching with the keyboard between the 1st and the 3rd is laggy (and even without any applications opened), and sometimes you have a glitch when going from 1 to 3, like this :

very good points. i also think there are still some things missing on this build although i must say that this build is damn stable for me, much more than 10421 was.

you guys remember about the guy that was responsible for multiclutch (the tool with which you could program your own gesture commands on the multitouch), he was hired by apple. and also there were this hidden and not activated preference pictures about this. i think apple is still working on this one and thats the reason why the spaces glitches appear, because they are redesigning the inputmanagers for this one. that could be the reason, why the arrow is not appearing anymore on the spaces indicators (you noticed?). witch multiclutch the arrow disappeared also.

but of course, pure speculation. like i said, this build is very stable for me and even on long run and high load i dont have any problems anymore, everything is very very snappy and not like in build 10421 where i've had some problems here and there under higher load and long run.

 

[macUser2007]

It seems stable.

I don't notice any speed increases, on any of the 4 Macs I just installed it on. Safari seems just as slow to open my iGoogle page, and it was spinning for about 20+ seconds on page 2 of this thread, before I reloaded.

I barely notice any difference, it's more like a maintenance update at first glance.

Gugus might be right, this may not be the GM, which would be a bummer. I noticed that What's New in the QT Help menu brings up "no available content."

 

[/dev/toaster]

- Apparently posting opinions and half-truths now qualifies as a fact.

Sorry, but both Snow Leopard and Windows 7 are solid, quality operating systems. You don't have to like Windows, but to say that it's crap is childish, immature and just plain wrong.

For some people, Windows works better. For others, Mac OS X works better. I don't know why some people here just can't accept this. Even Steve Jobs seems to understand this concept.

Ok, which parts did I mention that were not true ?

 

[macintoshtoffy]

I agree on the 8/28 date. It may be the earliest to get it back from the duplicator/packager, but then they need to get it to the distributors and ultimately the stores. I would think that would be another 2 weeks on the end of that date just to get everything in place.

They've given no clear number on when it'll ship in September - as one person already noted, they're on sale towards the end of the month. So even if they don't GM/RTM it until August 28, they're still going to hit a target which would be middle of September. Apple can easily afford to wait until 7 September if they want and still get it to stores before the end of September.

 

[MikeLord]

It seems stable.

I don't notice any speed increases, on any of the 4 Macs I just installed it on. Safari seems just as slow to open my iGoogle page, and it was spinning for about 20+ seconds on page 2 of this thread, before I reloaded.

I barely notice any difference, it's more like a maintenance update at first glance.

Gugus might be right, this may not be the GM, which would be a bummer. I noticed that What's New in the QT Help menu brings up "no available content."

Hard to say just after a day or 2; its very stable, no errors, freeze ups, kernel panics or anything like that..plus, if you are running time machine, you will always have a way to restore/back up your data if something weird does happen.

I runs just like a release OS, and not a beta, so, I would say go for it...

With the SL retail packaging pics being leaked... I am even more tempted to install 10A432 as my main OS. And yes, of course I am using TimeMachine.

Now my logic is, "Why wait 'til the release date to benefit from the increased performance?"

But then, by installing early, there goes all the anticipation and excitement...

Argh! I am so conflicted.

 

[MikeLord]

From http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html

QuickTime H.264 hardware acceleration

• requires a Mac with a NVIDIA 9400M graphics processor.

OpenCL

• NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 8800 GTS, Geforce 9400M, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce GT 120, GeForce GT 130.
• ATI Radeon 4850, Radeon 4870

Very dissapointing.

Guess it's time for a new 24" iMac!
Or perhaps a refurb MacPro...

 

[macintoshtoffy]

From http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html

QuickTime H.264 hardware acceleration

• requires a Mac with a NVIDIA 9400M graphics processor.

OpenCL

• NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 8800 GTS, Geforce 9400M, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce GT 120, GeForce GT 130.
• ATI Radeon 4850, Radeon 4870

Very dissapointing.

Guess it's time for a new 24" iMac!

I wouldn't get too emo about the situation

OpenCL will only be really useful for a small number of end users at first and as for h264 playback, I've yet to find a video that I couldn't play back smoothly on my existing hardware

I have an iMac 8,1 and to be perfectly blunt, I think there is alot of who-ha made about both technologies - both will start to come into great importance maybe a year or two down the line when one starts to see OpenCL powered audio and video CODECs as to speed up processing.

 

[MikeLord]

I wouldn't get too emo about the situation

OpenCL will only be really useful for a small number of end users at first and as for h264 playback, I've yet to find a video that I couldn't play back smoothly on my existing hardware

I have an iMac 8,1 and to be perfectly blunt, I think there is alot of who-ha made about both technologies - both will start to come into great importance maybe a year or two down the line when one starts to see OpenCL powered audio and video CODECs as to speed up processing.

All good points.

"emo" hehehe. "The 40-year Old Emo" now THAT could be a funny movie. Oh wait, that's been done: Garth Brooks as Chris Gaines. Heh!

 

[MikeLord]

With the SL retail packaging pics being leaked... I am even more tempted to install 10A432 as my main OS. And yes, of course I am using TimeMachine.

Now my logic is, "Why wait 'til the release date to benefit from the increased performance?"

But then, by installing early, there goes all the anticipation and excitement...

Argh! I am so conflicted.

Okay guys... If I'm not back in an hour, don't send a team for me. I'll already be dead.

Okay. I'm going in. Cover me...

 

[Chealion]

That's gold, Jerry! Gold!

 

[MikeLord]

Okay guys... If I'm not back in an hour, don't send a team for me. I'll already be dead.

Okay. I'm going in. Cover me...

Okay, I'm back, and I'm ALIVE!

 

[macintoshtoffy]

That's gold, Jerry! Gold!

I second that

I can understand people wanting a 64bit kernel but once people have clearly stated there are very few benefits and you don't lose much by continuing to use a 32bit kernel - all debate should in theory cease. But of course we'll have HyperZBoy ranting on about his PPC collection, and some other person complain that Snow Leopard won't upgrade their 32bit MacBook to 64bit through the power of Steve Jobs voodoo + waving a dead chicken over the laptop

 

[JPamplin]

Status report on 432

OK, guys, here's what I've found so far...

I've installed 432 on my MacPro1,1 and it's rock solid. iStats Menu does NOT work, although smsFanControl works fine. I uninstalled iStats - too bad, I really loved seeing how my 8 cores were being used. Everything else seems to work fine, apart from the initial hanging at reboot after the install. Now it's updating and rebooting perfectly.

I'm CERTAIN this is not the final build for one small reason - there was something I saw months ago online where the Mac team was working on the intro video for SL, saying it would "blow away" the Leopard intro video (the space-galaxy thingie where Welcome is flying by in umpteen languages.) 432 still uses the Leopard version, so no - it's probably not the final.

Things are running as "Intel 64-bit" except for the kernel, iTunes, iLife/iWork apps, and various addons. I'm not holding my breath on the 64-bit kernel thing, after all the discussion on it elsewhere on the Forums, but hey, it's fast, so I am not concerned at the moment.

JP

 

[john7jr]

I've installed 432 on my MacPro1,1

...

too bad, I really loved seeing how my 8 cores were being used.

Actually, the 8-core version of that machine was denoted as 2,1 - the 1,1 was a quad-core only.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

very good points. i also think there are still some things missing on this build although i must say that this build is damn stable for me, much more than 10421 was.

you guys remember about the guy that was responsible for multiclutch (the tool with which you could program your own gesture commands on the multitouch), he was hired by apple. and also there were this hidden and not activated preference pictures about this. i think apple is still working on this one and thats the reason why the spaces glitches appear, because they are redesigning the inputmanagers for this one. that could be the reason, why the arrow is not appearing anymore on the spaces indicators (you noticed?). witch multiclutch the arrow disappeared also.

but of course, pure speculation. like i said, this build is very stable for me and even on long run and high load i dont have any problems anymore, everything is very very snappy and not like in build 10421 where i've had some problems here and there under higher load and long run.

Or *SHOCK!* *HORROR!* Apple might release an update to enable those features in a later build!

You do realise that this is a GM, GM does NOT mean perfect, does NOT mean bug free. The only thing Apple are concerned about are show stopper bugs - bugs that can screw up a system such as a driver that causes file system corruption or an extension that continually causes kernel panics. The lack of optimisations are nothing - Apple is on the 'release early, release often' mantra. Get the damn thing out the door and release an update quickly afterwards. Bandwidth is cheap and updates can be deployed quickly.

 

[cal6n]

Actually, the 8-core version of that machine was denoted as 2,1 - the 1,1 was a quad-core only.

Yeah, but check his sig. Some of us have dropped a couple quads into our boxes...

 

[Tivoli]

free beta testers

Must be a smart move by Apple. Tell everyone that the GM is seeded, make it available to the public and start watching sites like these if there are any problems they overlooked.
So now a lot of people are freely beta testing Snow Leopard.
The other way around, sell the product and then find overlooked problems, would make many people angry (we are being used as beta testers, shame on you Apple) , but now everything is o.k.

Of course I could be wrong

 

[MikeLord]

Must be a smart move by Apple. Tell everyone that the GM is seeded, make it available to the public and start watching sites like these if there are any problems they overlooked.
So now a lot of people are freely beta testing Snow Leopard.
The other way around, sell the product and then find overlooked problems, would make many people angry (we are being used as beta testers, shame on you Apple) , but now everything is o.k.

Of course I could be wrong

Well I'm glad to support Apple in any way I can. Wether it be as an unofficial beta tester, purchasing SL when it's released, and even purchasing SL for my less motivated (or fiscally challenged) friends and family.

 

[sirdir]

Must be a smart move by Apple. Tell everyone that the GM is seeded, make it available to the public and start watching sites like these if there are any problems they overlooked.
So now a lot of people are freely beta testing Snow Leopard.
The other way around, sell the product and then find overlooked problems, would make many people angry (we are being used as beta testers, shame on you Apple) , but now everything is o.k.

LOL, in what respect are 'free betatesters' better than the developers that have to pay for it!?

... I'd like to add one thing about the 64 bit hype: As long as you have to switch safari to 32 bit mode for 1password and speed download to work I guess a lot of people don't really want 'too much' 64 bit for now.

 

[armoguy94]

For any MacPro1,1 owners out there, I'm surprised that nobody has brought up suing Apple for false advertising. You pay 3k for a machine that was heavily marketed as a "64-bit workstation" and now that the next OS is released since you purchased it, you don't have full 64-bit support.

I wouldn't get too emo about the situation

OpenCL will only be really useful for a small number of end users at first and as for h264 playback, I've yet to find a video that I couldn't play back smoothly on my existing hardware

I have an iMac 8,1 and to be perfectly blunt, I think there is alot of who-ha made about both technologies - both will start to come into great importance maybe a year or two down the line when one starts to see OpenCL powered audio and video CODECs as to speed up processing.

I have an iMac8,1 too and the big movie files I handle on this computer NEVER play back smoothly at the least :\ That is what the video acceleration is meant for.

Thanks Apple!

 

[armoguy94]

I wouldn't get too emo about the situation

OpenCL will only be really useful for a small number of end users at first and as for h264 playback, I've yet to find a video that I couldn't play back smoothly on my existing hardware

I have an iMac 8,1 and to be perfectly blunt, I think there is alot of who-ha made about both technologies - both will start to come into great importance maybe a year or two down the line when one starts to see OpenCL powered audio and video CODECs as to speed up processing.

I have an iMac8,1 too and the big movie files I handle on this computer NEVER play back smoothly at the least :\ That is what the video acceleration is meant for.

Thanks Apple!

EDIT: Someone can delete this post. Sorry.