Yeah...that surprised me....I so regret not sticking with the 12.0 OOTB OS.So wait, it's getting WORSE with the betas, not better?!?
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Apple Seeds Second Beta of macOS Monterey 12.1 to Developers
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Overheard at Apple:
"Schafer, get in here, we have a big problem, there are some USB hubs that are still working with Monterey."
"I'm sorry sir, that must have slipped through the cracks, I'll get those disabled on the next update."
I am curious, did Apple ever actually do any fixes for this issue, say back at the similar High Sierra episode?
My inquiries to OWC, I think resulted in the advisory that unless their ssd has been installed in a computer with a firmware version Catalina, or later, release, (428.40.10.0.0) one will have to do the OEM swap-in method for Monterey installation on their ssds ... in my case I am about to install an aura pro x2 into a MBPro still running Mojave.
Perhaps the Monterey install also has some other, new, detection prerequisites beyond firmware
Regarding Monterey 12.1 beta 2.
I am still running the 12.1 beta 1, having installed it just the day before the "official" 12.1 release
and am waiting for confidence that the official release did not introduce odd (bricking) behaviors that the beta did not have.
I also have an odd observation: when clicking on the further information links in Software Update the navigation fails
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Monterey 12.1 beta 1; MBPro Mid2015
I am still running the 12.1 beta 1, having installed it just the day before the "official" 12.1 release
and am waiting for confidence that the official release did not introduce odd (bricking) behaviors that the beta did not have.
I also have an odd observation: when clicking on the further information links in Software Update the navigation fails
Please see attachment
Monterey 12.1 beta 1; MBPro Mid2015
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"Copy Link" still doesn't appear in the Safari's Share menu, even though I've selected it in the menu options.
This page does show compatibility with Mini (late 2014), by the way.Just discovered that my 2014 Mac mini shows Monterey in the software update screen. I thought it was too old for that?
I’ll happily stay on Mojave for as long as I can.
macOS Monterey is compatible with these computers - Apple Support
You can install macOS Monterey on any of these Mac models.
If you have the bandwidth and want to try to install a Mac OS that is supported (security updates etc.)
You might try cleaning up your old Mini drive, then creating a new partition, which can be done, sort of, on the fly in High Sierra and later with Apple APFS formatted drives
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Then try installing Big Sur, or Monterey on the separate partition to test things out. This would still allow you to retain your Mojave system that still operates 32 bit apps etc.
Caveat: This Is Just a suggestion, if you feel you can forge ahead without some untoward issues
Everybody's situation is different
I have one computer on Monterey. The other is on Mojave. Got to keep Mojave as long as possible!Just discovered that my 2014 Mac mini shows Monterey in the software update screen. I thought it was too old for that?
I’ll happily stay on Mojave for as long as I can.
has everyone changed the format to APFS on their time machines? Not sure if that might have an effect on the issue.I hope it fixes the time machine issues that results in the "waiting to complete first backup" error that several users of M1 and M1 Max and Pro are experiencing, and that Apple engineering is aware of.
Time machine experiencing multiple issues on Monterey (my personal issue resolved)
Hey guys, I have a really strange issue (at least for me) with Time Machine after upgrading to Monterey. Normally, a new complete backup takes between 3 to 5 hours for me using a 4TB USB 3, my Passport drive as the time machine drive. After upgrading to macOS Monterey, the system is very...forums.macrumors.com
Basically, you can keep Mojave for as long as your device lasts. Macs typically last a lonnnng time. My Pismo 2001 still works ...umm, more or less. Certainly can't find a battery for it though. If you think you really need Mojave for years to come, there are plenty of used Macs still to be found.
The caveat, however, is Mojave is no longer supported... and that being said there may come a time sooner than later for which a Mojave installer's certificate will expire and possibly impede further installations... without some tricky workaround
There is pretty much a way to load any operation system all the way back to OS 7 if you have a computer that old. I won't need Mojave that long. I just need to make the transition from certain software to Affinity. I haven't had time to learn those apps yet. I will be free Adobe free before the end of next year. I also have Markzware to open indesign files in publisher. A smooth transition just as I finally let go of quarkxpress 5.0 back in the ice age.
Switching to indesign from quark was much more painful that leaving it. There are a lot of better things to spend money on other than paying adobe every month. I think they days of software gouging is coming to an end finally unless your company is married to it.
APFS should only be used on SSDs. My motorized backup storage is still hfs+.
All drives including external drives and recently Time Machine drives are APFS now unless you are running 10.12. If you are up to date and have a regular disk, a Fusion or SSD they can be formatted as APFS. In fact whether you want it or not apple converts Mac OS Journaled to APFS on internal drives automatically. 10.12 or earlier should not be APFS. this following is right off the apple site. "APFS or APFS Encrypted disks are the preferred format for a Time Machine backup disk. If you select a new backup disk that’s not already formatted as an APFS disk, you get the option to erase and reformat it. If the disk is a Mac OS Extended format disk that contains an existing Time Machine backup, you aren’t asked to erase and reformat the disk." and "Apple File System (APFS), the default file system for Mac computers using macOS 10.13 or later, features strong encryption, space sharing, snapshots, fast directory sizing, and improved file system fundamentals. While APFS is optimized for the Flash/SSD storage used in recent Mac computers, it can also be used with older systems with traditional hard disk drives (HDD) and external, direct-attached storage. macOS 10.13 or later supports APFS for both bootable and data volumes." All of my disks are APFS. Do the research.
You DO NOT want to use APFS on a spinning-rust disk that sees any kind of write traffic. I just spent hours converting an external USB drive back to HFS+ because it had my Photos library on it and had ground to a standstill performance-wise.
Do the research on why this is the case.
I have zero issues.
No need to research. I have clones of all files. Never lost a file in 35 years.
I keep my equipment up to date. I will use APFS for everything from here on out.
Keep up with technology.
No need to research. I have clones of all files. Never lost a file in 35 years.
I keep my equipment up to date. I will use APFS for everything from here on out.
Keep up with technology.