Apple Seeds Second macOS 13 Ventura Release Candidate to Developers

[horen]

Will have to test out, in the interim I mounted my old webcam to underneath my desk pointing to the standing desk leg

There is following problem without an external webcam:
If the iPhone is not on the stand and horizontally lined up and one touches any application that needs a camera, it can be FaceTime or Teams or other, it will report that there is no camera. The continuity camera can only be activated after a reboot.
There is no settings to select if iPhone camera is always available or only on stand and horizontally aligned ( may be to avoid accidental streaming ). Without this switch, I will keep the external camera, which does not need a reboot to recognize the phone as camera.

 

[Realityck]

When/How does the "Help" system get updated? Even in RC2 the help pages I see are all macOS12. Is that done via the web on official release day and not via a software update?

The web based documentation gets updated after Ventura goes live. If you have no internet it comes up with a "Your not connected to the internet" user guide that is part of system.

 

[Scutt]

My 15” 2017 MBP downloaded a 465MB update to RC2. Are you via developer download or public beta download? I retrieved the developer download.

public beta download.

 

[Haiku_Oezu]

Not often we get multiple RCs
Wonder what warranted another build

 

[Realityck]

Not often we get multiple RCs
Wonder what warranted another build

Minor Safari update 2 days later from RC. Maybe something else.

 

[heretiq]

You gotta be brave if you are really planning to install this when it hits GM. I personally believe it probably won't be stable until 13.5.

I've been using Ventura on my M1 MacBook Pro Max daily driver since beta 1. Key apps include Microsoft Office suite, NotePlan 3, iWork, Parallels with Windows 11 Pro, Xcode, VS Code, Affinity Designer, Pixelmator Pro, Camunda Modeler and a suite of Discrete Event Simulation apps, and several other apps that I use daily. I initially had issues with saving downloaded files in a variety of Microsoft products but found workarounds until the issues was eliminated in prior betas. The current RC has added polish to an otherwise very stable OS for me. Net-net: for my relatively non-trivial use cases Ventura has been reliable and Stage manager has been an unexpected productivity enhancer. YMMV.

 

[urbanman2004]

We had a couple verify they installed RC2 on intel Macs.
The following Mac computers are supported by macOS Ventura:

• MacBook (2017 and newer)
• MacBook Air (2018 and newer)
• MacBook Pro (2017 and newer)
• Mac mini (2018 and newer)
• Mac Studio (2022)
• iMac (2017 and newer)
• iMac Pro (2017)
• Mac Pro (2019 and newer)

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[MiaBchDave]

I'm not sure people are using this thing in office settings, at least in QA at Apple. RC1 can't even add a printer properly. You click to add a Network printer, and scroll through the Drivers, and the list STOPs at E... as in Epson. So good luck adding that HP Printer. If you delete the printer, close out Settings and Retry, you can sometimes get all the drivers to show. I mean, how is a System Settings bug even that flaky? The icing on this turd, is that the newly added network printer Doesn't Print in RC1 (or previous betas), but works fine when adding in Monterey from the same system.

This bug alone will raise hell. And yes, I left feedback about network printing communications issues. But I didn't bother with the driver list issue as, come on, that's plain as day. I'd give this release a wide birth as it will vomit all over Apple's reputation.

 

[chrfr]

I'm not sure people are using this thing in office settings, at least in QA at Apple. RC1 can't even add a printer properly. You click to add a Network printer, and scroll through the Drivers, and the list STOPs at E... as in Epson.

The printer list here on an M2 MacBook Air scrolls all the way through the HP models to "Zebra ZPL Label Printer."

 

[MiaBchDave]

The printer list here on an M2 MacBook Air scrolls all the way through the HP models to "Zebra ZPL Label Printer."

Did you add a network printer? Like I said, I can see the full list sometimes after re-trying. But it took me one try to recreate this bug in RC2. Picture attached. It's just silly.

 

[TriBruin]

You don't need any utility. Open terminal and enter

sudo /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Seeding.framework/Resources/seedutil enroll DeveloperSeed

for Developer Betas or

sudo /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Seeding.framework/Resources/seedutil enroll PublicSeed

for Public Betas.

Of if you are like me and can never remember the full path

sudo $(mdfind seedutil) enroll DeveloperSeed

 

[TriBruin]

Yes, the design is the entire issue. They're going against their own human interface design guidelines by making you unnecessarily scroll and click to find and change settings. There's a reason that desktop and touchscreen UIs are different. I'll go ahead and steal someone's more in-depth thoughts:

It is a minor detail, but why does Settings open to Appearance every time? That is not how it works in iOS. Preferable, it would open the last setting payload you are in. Or, at least open to something like General or Network. I can't remember the last time i had to change something in the appearance preference pane.

 

[Realityck]

It is a minor detail, but why does Settings open to Appearance every time? That is not how it works in iOS. Preferable, it would open the last setting payload you are in. Or, at least open to something like General or Network. I can't remember the last time i had to change something in the appearance preference pane.

The MacOS user interface is one of the things that stands apart from iOS/iPadOS, so what better to default to start with is appearance would be my guess at why that is the default.

 

[stigman]

Is it me or RC1 was noticable faster?

 

[Fordski]

You don't need any utility. Open terminal and enter

sudo /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Seeding.framework/Resources/seedutil enroll DeveloperSeed

for Developer Betas or

sudo /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Seeding.framework/Resources/seedutil enroll PublicSeed

for Public Betas.

Thanks for sharing this. I've been using this method for awhile now...just to add...

To unenroll from the beta use this terminal command:

sudo /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Seeding.framework/Resources/seedutil unenroll

 

[gank41]

Thanks for sharing this. I've been using this method for awhile now...just to add...

To unenroll from the beta use this terminal command:

sudo /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Seeding.framework/Resources/seedutil unenroll

Thanks for this. I was going to try making a Shortcut to Enroll/Unenroll, but that seemed more difficult than I want it to be this early 😆☕ Something something sudo this and that something.
It'd be nice just to have to App Icons to do either function...

Now I'm just waiting for Apple to update their Dev Branches online so I can download the full .pkg file to make a USB installer.

 

[woolypants]

I installed this yesterday, taking a gamble that it'll be the gold master release that comes out on Monday.

Underwhelmed. Any new features are iterative, at best. The only thing that's actually new is Stage Manager and that's absolute tripe. I can't see why anybody would use it. It's a poor use of screen real estate. Maybe if somebody was completely 100% new to the Mac platform they might use it...? It reminds me of Launchpad in this respect.

Apple has turned macOS in a copycat of iOS and iPadOS, and that's such a terrible shame.

What should really be happening is that macOS takes the lead in terms of showing that computing in the 21st century is capable of. iOS/iPadOS should follow. After all, Mac is the more sophisticated and capable platform. For example, the macOS Mail app could still develop significantly. Photos could get actual tool-based editing capabilities. QuickTime Player should be much, much better than it is.

But in the world of Apple, iOS is king. That's where the money is. That's what software engineers want to work on when they join Apple.

 

[Fordski]

Thanks for this. I was going to try making a Shortcut to Enroll/Unenroll, but that seemed more difficult than I want it to be this early 😆☕ Something something sudo this and that something.
It'd be nice just to have to App Icons to do either function...

Now I'm just waiting for Apple to update their Dev Branches online so I can download the full .pkg file to make a USB installer.

I never thought of doing shortcuts for this, please share your results when you do it. Thanks!

 

[Realityck]

I installed this yesterday, taking a gamble that it'll be the gold master release that comes out on Monday.

Underwhelmed. Any new features are iterative, at best. The only thing that's actually new is Stage Manager and that's absolute tripe. I can't see why anybody would use it. It's a poor use of screen real estate. Maybe if somebody was completely 100% new to the Mac platform they might use it...? It reminds me of Launchpad in this respect.

Apple has turned macOS in a copycat of iOS and iPadOS, and that's such a terrible shame.

What should really be happening is that macOS takes the lead in terms of showing that computing in the 21st century is capable of. iOS/iPadOS should follow. After all, Mac is the more sophisticated and capable platform. For example, the macOS Mail app could still develop significantly. Photos could get actual tool-based editing capabilities. QuickTime Player should be much, much better than it is.

But in the world of Apple, iOS is king. That's where the money is. That's what software engineers want to work on when they join Apple.

You’re looking at MacOS from the user interface only. There are lots of things changed. Metal 3 allows Mac to have AAA windows games ported that Metal 2 couldn’t graphically support with modern standards.

MetalFX | Apple Developer Documentation

Boost your Metal app’s performance by upscaling lower-resolution content to save GPU time.

developer.apple.com

Pretty sad to think of stage manager as the only attraction with the latest MacOS. That’s a novelty, it has its uses, but it’s not representative of all the changes with updated MacOS. It installs a lot faster is an another very obvious change over Monterey.

 

[woolypants]

You’re looking at MacOS from the user interface only. There are lots of things changed. Metal 3 allows Mac to have AAA windows games ported that Metal 2 couldn’t graphically support with modern standards.

MetalFX | Apple Developer Documentation

Boost your Metal app’s performance by upscaling lower-resolution content to save GPU time.

developer.apple.com

Pretty sad to think of stage manager as the only attraction with the latest MacOS. That’s a novelty, it has its uses, but it’s not representative of all the changes with updated MacOS. It installs a lot faster is an another very obvious change over Monterey.

Another classic reply from you. I'm getting used to you now.

"Looking at macOS from the user interface only" indeed!

 

[CMMChris]

To unenroll from the beta use this terminal command:

sudo /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Seeding.framework/Resources/seedutil unenroll

Yeah but it's easier to just use the GUI for that.

 

[dogface1956]

Is this the update for the latest release candidate or is the official release for Ventura:

 

[Realityck]

Is this the update for the latest release candidate or is the official release for Ventura:

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latest release candidate (macOS 13 RC 2 (22A380)), the official version will be available Oct 24th. Should be the same build or maybe a character different.

 

[Carlson-online]

latest release candidate (macOS 13 RC 2 (22A380)), the official version will be available Oct 24th. Should be the same build or maybe a character different.

At this point it'll 95% be the same bulid.

But if not, and there is another build tomorrow, it'll take < 20 minutes to upgrade to it. RC1->RC2 was rapid. better to get it out of the way today when there's not millions of people trying to do it

 

[Mac Hammer Fan]

Is it safe to install Ventura on an external SSD connected to a mac Studio? Will the included firmware update work?