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I don't think they expect you to do anything. If you can't use it in your office, then don't. It's a feature that requires your voice. Getting upset at a feature for things it wasn't designed to do just seems silly.

it only requires your voice because its designed that way. It would be super handy to be able to type in. Especially in offices and places where people shouldn't be interrupting other people.
 
I'm also surprised that it is not possible to submit a bug report yet since the Feedback Assistant has not been updated to the current build number.

I hate how Apple fails to include the latest numbers in their feedback channels. Their submission tools should be able to query the device and autofill this info and allow it to be edited if the submission pertains to a different device.

The website is notorious for always being behind even after full public release. Sometimes I wonder if Apple lacks a release checklist.
 
My MBPR is working very nicely since 16B2327e, so after reading all this and seeing the Mountain Lion image on the beta update (obviously quality control at Apple isn't concentrating!!) I've backed out of the Betas and will wait until the next public release.

that's something you would never see under Steve Jobs' control... if it did they probably wouldn't be working at apple anymore...
 
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it only requires your voice because its designed that way. It would be super handy to be able to type in. Especially in offices and places where people shouldn't be interrupting other people.
It's a sign of how out of touch and insular Apple executives are - they think everyone has their own office.

Another thing about the new iPhone, you can't use it with gloves, even gloves which worked on previous iPhones, because the home button requires direct skin contact. Not only do Apple believe everyone has their own individual office, but they also believe everyone lives in sunny California! Literally out-of-touch.

What kind of deluded world do they live in? Phil Schiller says that five year old computers are "sad" and yet Apple is selling macs which have not been updated for nearly 5 years.

I think this is a product of success. It's made them very lazy. And Cook's incompetence doesn't help - he could barely run a vending machine. I can't imagine them not updating a machine for five years back when they were hungry.
 
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Just a heads-up, I installed the beta on both my primary desktop iMAc and my laptop (2015 MBP) and the desktop went fine but the laptop something seriously corrupted in the install, and now almost all of my non-apple apps fail on launch. Damnit what a pain in the butt.

Trying to install the 10.12 public release in effort to salvage... nope doesn't look like it's going to be possible. Dang it Dang it Dang it!

There is a way to install even though it says you can't, but, you have to edit the systemversion.plist in /System/Library/Coreservices.
I was able to edit this file but most people likely can't because of SIP, if that is the case you have to switch off SIP, next make a copy of it on your desktop and open it with a plist editor, you need to set the systemversion back to 10.12.0 and you might also have to set the built number back to (I think) 16A323.
After this delete the original one and replace it with the edited one, you need to enter your Admin password.
Next try to install again, it will show your disk, and not greyed out as before.
Anyone else seeing the beta come up with the mountain lion logo?

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I had that too on my 2012 Mini but not my 2012 Macbook.

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Normally I always download the needed update files within Appstore but won't do the actual update in Appstore.
I go to /Library/Updates and install any updates manually, the reason for this is you can do it much faster than the System does it.
It worked for as long as I can remember but it doesn't work anymore, well at least if there are more than 1 .pkg files in that one Folder.
It's really a shame how Apple manages updates now, first it will close all your Apps and starts to install, after a reboot it takes another while before you can use your Mac again, this was so much better before!
 
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Does this fix the issue when going to About mac -> Storage where its stuck at calculating?

No such luck.


Does anyone have release notes? Its kind of pointless to test new versions if I have guess what is fixed and what isn't?
 
Hello Mountain Lion :p
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I wish they would fix the feature that is supposed to sign me into my Mac(s) when my Apple Watch is in proximity. So far, I've done everything that the instructions say I should do, but no go. Both computers are supposed to work with the feature but something isn't clicking. It's not a necessity but it would be nice. First time this has happened to me with an Apple update ....

It only checks on the watch on wake. If you just put on the watch or manually locked the screen then close your lid and re-open it. Make sure bluetooth is on. I have not tried on an iMac or Mac Pro, but you may need to enable power button sleep to easily sleep/wake the machine use the watch on those.
 
Why can't I type into Siri? So it's maybe merged with Spotlight? Does Apple expect me talk to my computer in a quiet office with a dozen other people?

I don't think they expect you to do anything. If you can't use it in your office, then don't. It's a feature that requires your voice. Getting upset at a feature for things it wasn't designed to do just seems silly.

Doesn't seem like canny is upset to me. People can't make feature requests on a tech forum? :confused:

You say it was only designed for voice, and it was (for now), but why so forcefully limit vision? The end goal is better productivity, is it not? Design changes as it heads toward that goal (e.g. the iPad was only designed for touch input, but now it has the Pencil). Canny's issue seems like a common one that could quite feasibly be resolved. If you know of a logical/technical roadblock that makes said request an improbability, please share. Just saying "it wasn't designed do what you want, so don't use it" is a cheap response that can be used against any feature request.
 
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I don't think they expect you to do anything. If you can't use it in your office, then don't. It's a feature that requires your voice. Getting upset at a feature for things it wasn't designed to do just seems silly.
It would be much better if you could type. It would honestly be kind of a revolutionary feature then but as it is right now, it is just a stupid gimmick. It would be awesome if you could type natural language into Siri and control your computer that way. It might even replace Alfred if that happened.
 
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My 2012 MacBook Air (4 GB RAM) has been locking up on randomly every few days since I installed 10.12 (GM 1, 2, and release). Not sure if it is a memory issue or whatever, but not happy. Hoping that gets fixed soon.

Sorry to hear that. My computer crashing seems to have been resolved by this newer beta.

EDIT: I spoke too soon. It still locked up randomly. Just a little less often.
 
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It would be much better if you could type. It would honestly be kind of a revolutionary feature then but as it is right now, it is just a stupid gimmick. It would be awesome if you could type natural language into Siri and control your computer that way. It might even replace Alfred if that happened.
I agree. Google lets you use voice or text for theirs.
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But why Siri cannot be utilised through keyboard and typing, as we already can use some natural language to search in spotlight? And, if the user is not comfortable with speaking to computer?
Dunno, but it'd be a great thing to have.
 
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Anyone having problems with their USB keyboard? After the update, my keyboard cannot type "a", and "i" and "h" have suddenly switched places. On the parallel El Capitan installation on the same MBP 15" mid-2014 it's OK.

Yes, mine is the I & g keys. key below q is broke too. watch this update.
 
They seem remarkably bad at keeping up with that...

It took Apple until this afternoon to include the most recent build number in the Feedback Assistant. I don't find it reassuring how poorly organized the beta tests are. Maybe it's time to get out of it.
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I hate how Apple fails to include the latest numbers in their feedback channels. Their submission tools should be able to query the device and autofill this info and allow it to be edited if the submission pertains to a different device.

The website is notorious for always being behind even after full public release. Sometimes I wonder if Apple lacks a release checklist.

One would think a company this size would be better organized, it took them over a day to include the most recent build number in the feedback channel.
 



Apple today seeded the second beta of an upcoming macOS Sierra update to developers and public beta testers for testing purposes, nearly a week after seeding the first beta and a week after releasing the new operating system to the public.

macOS Sierra 10.12.1 beta 2, build 16B2333a, can be downloaded from the Apple Developer Center (developers only), Apple's beta testing website (beta testers only) and through the Software update mechanism in the Mac App Store for those who previously installed the first 10.12.1 beta.


So, when are the "Public Betas" usually gone and a fully fledged version available??
 
Did anyone find that the previous beta caused their computer to lock up a lot? Mine would completely lock up if left idle for any period of time, whether it went into power save or not.

Sadly, I had thought the issue was resolved with this newer beta. However, it is still crashing and locking up. Is anyone else experiencing this?
 
has 10.12.1 fixed issues with Preview? every time i open a PDF in Preview, try to save a PDF from an email attachment Finder and Preview give me the spinning wheel of death. Word and XL are also flakey, crashing often... so bad i had to go back to El Capitan to get my work done.
The worst OS upgrade i can recall...
 
^hmm weird. i can open and save files in Acrobat. But Preview hangs every time. even after force quit Finder ends up dying soon afterwards. I'll give it another go when its at 10.12.2
 
Yup! Thought I was losing my mind!

Nope, but Apple seems to be losing any sense of QA.

This is what happens when you replace American jobs with H1B engineers who don't care about the product but just to get their next paycheck and forward the money back to India. Yep, I went Political!

I live part-time in SF and sold a car last year to someone on an H1B visa working for Apple. He was so loose-lipped about the new iPhone that he was working on it was funny. I was like don't you have a policy not to talk about stuff in development, he said he doesn't care he has no allegiance to Apple, he's just working there for 2-3 more years then going back to India. I remember he had a Samsung Galaxy S 5 and I thought it was so odd. That's why bugs get by now whereas back in the day people caught them quick and fixed them. When you go into a retail store or an R&D lab and half the employees have Samsung phones, how are they going to know what it's like to be a customer?

Rant over.
 
Yes, mine is the I & g keys. key below q is broke too. watch this update.
It's the I and H keys for me, using a US ANSI Layout keyboard. My A key also isn't responding. This sucks. :(

You can fix it by deleting every com.apple.* plist file in ~/Library/Preferences/ but it's a pain to reset all the settings back to original. I wish I hadn't updated onto the public beta this time.

Also, Auto Unlock with the watch stopped working for me because of this update. Not sure what happened there...
 
Good to hear - I've also been having NAS issues, but with WD Live/MyCloud. Hopefully this will sort my issues out too.
[doublepost=1475007919][/doublepost]Still hasn't fixed universal clipboard not working on my MBP. Is fine between iDevices. I've logged in/out of iCloud numerous times on all devices to no avail.

I am sorry, I spoke too soon. The problem is still there.

Paul.
 
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