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More and more people are starting to realize that Apple supports its most expensive products for a far shorter time period than Microsoft does on some CHEAP products. The Reality Distortion Field is dead with Steve Jobs. Tim Cook does not have the power. And people are noticing.
Well, hello Paul Thurrot. Are you off your meds again?
 
Example: I have a 32 bit app that emulates a desktop browser and allows me to download "dmg" files like iTunes from the web. You might say, just downloaded it over the internet, well not all of us have internet, I only have cellular data and electric. I pay $20 mo for 2GB of data in hotspot. But my cellular is unlimited. Using the app saves me from paying $20 for another 2GB of hotspot data or waiting two months to download a large or combo update.

I don’t understand what you’re saying. You’re saying, from what I gather, that you have a small allowance of monthly LTE service, so, somehow, this 32 bit app allows you to download, from the web, which is internet service, a file that you, what, can’t download from the internet, because you don’t have internet service?

That makes no sense!. You do know that the “web” and the “internet” are the same thing? Where are you getting unlimited cell service (which is the internet), when you only have 2GB from your hotspot? What hotspot?

You need to explain this better.
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You can't always find replacements for apps. For example, I have an app for my JBL L8 speaker that is used to control its built in equalizer and configure some of its features. The app was last updated in 2014, is 32 bit, and does not work on iOS 11. I already contacted JBL many months ago and they show absolutely no sign of updating this app. Without the app I can't change equalizer settings for the speaker.

I'm going to have to keep an iOS 10 device around just for this damn speaker unless JBL releases an update. It's not an inexpensive speaker too; this is a $600 product. Sure I can blame JBL for not releasing the update but it can't be expected for manufacturers to support their products forever.

Apple shouldn't break old apps this way.

Lots of people, including myself, are having problems with old apps. But it’s wrong to expect Apple to support them forever, by having old code and hardware that wastes room on the chip, and needs to be maintained forever. So, for those who can’t get an upgraded app, well, I’m sorry for you, but that’s the way it is.

It’s also not just going to iOS 11 that causes these problems. Every time Apple has updated the OS, there are apps that are broken, and need to be updated. I get slews of them every time. A number never get updated, and I delete them. I’m sorry to see some go, because they’re very useful, but that’s just part of being a computer user.

It’s not just Apple either. Android users have the same problem, because Google breaks major components in Android every couple of major updates, or so. And a number of years ago, when Intel purged 8 bit instructions from its chips, there were screams of outrage across the computer world. Apple also did it years ago when they came out with their “clean” 32 bit machines.

So, this is nothing new, and we’re going to have to suck it up. If you’re willing to forgive JBL for not supporting their product any longer, then you should forgive Apple for not supporting JBL’s old product any more. Why should Apple have the responsibility of supporting products that the developers of these products don’t want to support? It makes no sense, and it’s not fair.

Apple isn’t doing this to annoy people, they’re doing it because it will allow them to make much better products in the future. In a couple of years, most people will have forgotten all about these old 32 bit apps.
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Well, let us die, but slowly. :p
There is something called nostalgia.
Things could be even more critical in industrial environments.

Yeah, we all have nostalgia. But it’s not a valid reason to complain. In industrial environments, these apps will be updated, you can be sure of that. If those developers are out of business, then there’s already a problem. But it doesn’t work that way in those environments. I had industrial machines with controllers on proprietary systems. We always had the codes to rewrite the system as part of the service contract. I’m sure that anyone relying on an iOS app for industrial control has no problem.
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More and more people are starting to realize that Apple supports its most expensive products for a far shorter time period than Microsoft does on some CHEAP products. The Reality Distortion Field is dead with Steve Jobs. Tim Cook does not have the power. And people are noticing.

That’s nonsense. How long did Microsoft support wp7? Remember when, after just one year, they came out with wp8, and announced that wp7 wasn’t forwards compatible in software, and that wp8 wasn’t backwards compatible in software?

You mean like that?
 
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I just bought a new iPad Pro and my iOS 10 beta profile did not migrate over when I upgraded to it. Does anyone know how to find the iOS 10 beta profile? When I downloaded the new one from Apple it was the iOS 11 profile and I'm not ready to go there yet.
 
I just bought a new iPad Pro and my iOS 10 beta profile did not migrate over when I upgraded to it. Does anyone know how to find the iOS 10 beta profile? When I downloaded the new one from Apple it was the iOS 11 profile and I'm not ready to go there yet.
10.3.3 will probably be out early next week. I wouldn't bother with the iOS 10 beta profile at this point.
 



Apple today seeded the sixth beta of an upcoming iOS 10.3.3 update to developers and public beta testers, one week after seeding the fifth beta and over a month after the release of iOS 10.3.2, which was a minor bug fix update.

Registered developers can download iOS 10.3.3 beta 6 from the Apple Developer Center or over-the-air with the proper configuration profile installed. Public beta testers can also download the beta over-the-air after installing the configuration profile.

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There were no significant features or notable bug fixes found in the first five iOS 10.3.3 betas, suggesting iOS 10.3.3 is an update that's minor in scale, focusing primarily on security updates, bug fixes, and other small improvements.

iOS 10.3.3 is likely to be one of the last updates to the iOS 10 operating system, as Apple has shifted development to iOS 11. The first beta of iOS 11 was released to developers on June 5 following Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference keynote, and two betas have been seeded so far.

Article Link: Apple Seeds Sixth Beta of iOS 10.3.3 to Developers and Public Beta Testers
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Apple today seeded the sixth beta of an upcoming iOS 10.3.3 update to developers and public beta testers, one week after seeding the fifth beta and over a month after the release of iOS 10.3.2, which was a minor bug fix update.

Registered developers can download iOS 10.3.3 beta 6 from the Apple Developer Center or over-the-air with the proper configuration profile installed. Public beta testers can also download the beta over-the-air after installing the configuration profile.

iOS-10.3.3-beta-800x500.jpg

There were no significant features or notable bug fixes found in the first five iOS 10.3.3 betas, suggesting iOS 10.3.3 is an update that's minor in scale, focusing primarily on security updates, bug fixes, and other small improvements.

iOS 10.3.3 is likely to be one of the last updates to the iOS 10 operating system, as Apple has shifted development to iOS 11. The first beta of iOS 11 was released to developers on June 5 following Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference keynote, and two betas have been seeded so far.

Article Link: Apple Seeds Sixth Beta of iOS 10.3.3 to Developers and Public Beta Testers
[doublepost=1499371966][/doublepost]Can you guys change the background picture, looks every time as if the screen is broken!
 
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I just bought a new iPad Pro and my iOS 10 beta profile did not migrate over when I upgraded to it. Does anyone know how to find the iOS 10 beta profile? When I downloaded the new one from Apple it was the iOS 11 profile and I'm not ready to go there yet.

That’s odd, because mine did.

Go to Apple’s site. Go to iPad. Then go to iOS 10. Scroll down to the bottom of the page. You’ll see the info about the beta program for that. Tap, and you should get to the entrance page. You know what to do after that.

To make it easier, here is the link. I hope it works from here:

https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/

Good luck.
 
That’s odd, because mine did.

Go to Apple’s site. Go to iPad. Then go to iOS 10. Scroll down to the bottom of the page. You’ll see the info about the beta program for that. Tap, and you should get to the entrance page. You know what to do after that.

To make it easier, here is the link. I hope it works from here:

https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/

Good luck.

Thanks for your reply. I tried it however it took me to the iOS 11 site. As a previous poster said I don't think it's that big a deal as it looks like the 10.3.3 beta that was just released will be released as official very shortly
 
Example: I have a 32 bit app that emulates a desktop browser and allows me to download "dmg" files like iTunes from the web. You might say, just downloaded it over the internet, well not all of us have internet, I only have cellular data and electric. I pay $20 mo for 2GB of data in hotspot. But my cellular is unlimited. Using the app saves me from paying $20 for another 2GB of hotspot data or waiting two months to download a large or combo update.

Dude, download the app called "Documents" (by Readdle). It'll do the same thing you speak of and it's free and well-maintained.

I hate the discontinuing of 32-bit app support, but your problem is at least solvable, unlike mine with the JBL Music app.
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I don’t understand what you’re saying. You’re saying, from what I gather, that you have a small allowance of monthly LTE service, so, somehow, this 32 bit app allows you to download, from the web, which is internet service, a file that you, what, can’t download from the internet, because you don’t have internet service?

That makes no sense!. You do know that the “web” and the “internet” are the same thing? Where are you getting unlimited cell service (which is the internet), when you only have 2GB from your hotspot? What hotspot?

Some cellular providers (I think Verizon is one of them) give you unlimited usage for data used on your actual phone, and limited (in this case 2GB) usage for data used through the Hotspot.

Hotspot usage actually uses a different APN than direct usage on the phone, so the provider can meter it separately. In this particular case, OP can download large things like iTunes, MacOS combo updates, and the like directly on the phone and not eat into the 2GB data cap.

Like I said, the Documents app lets him do the same thing and it's well-maintained and 64 bit. So his problem isn't really a problem, though I hope he manages to get better Internet access eventually! That's gotta be a crap situation.
 
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Dude, download the app called "Documents" (by Readdle). It'll do the same thing you speak of and it's free and well-maintained.

I hate the discontinuing of 32-bit app support, but your problem is at least solvable, unlike mine with the JBL Music app.
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Some cellular providers (I think Verizon is one of them) give you unlimited usage for data used on your actual phone, and limited (in this case 2GB) usage for data used through the Hotspot.

Hotspot usage actually uses a different APN than direct usage on the phone, so the provider can meter it separately. In this particular case, OP can download large things like iTunes, MacOS combo updates, and the like directly on the phone and not eat into the 2GB data cap.

Like I said, the Documents app lets him do the same thing and it's well-maintained and 64 bit. So his problem isn't really a problem, though I hope he manages to get better Internet access eventually! That's gotta be a crap situation.

Thank You so much! I never downloaded that app before, I tried so many apps. Works perfectly, downloaded iTunes dmg and even Safari 10.1.1 pkg, they should double your salary. And I am connected to my computer via usb only and their wifi drive over usb is super fast.
This was a big problem for me, the few other apps I suppose I can live without.
My only problem left is I can't watch Netflix on cellular data but only Hotspot data. But I am running and old version 4.9.1 of netflix and that lets me Air Play to my apple tv. If I update to a newer netflix then it tries to handoff playing and my apple tv only has a local intranet connection and fails. I suppose I can try hdmi, does the latest Netflix support hdmi from the phone. If so then I should be able migrate to iOS 11. Thanks
 
I don’t understand what you’re saying. You’re saying, from what I gather, that you have a small allowance of monthly LTE service, so, somehow, this 32 bit app allows you to download, from the web, which is internet service, a file that you, what, can’t download from the internet, because you don’t have internet service?

That makes no sense!. You do know that the “web” and the “internet” are the same thing? Where are you getting unlimited cell service (which is the internet), when you only have 2GB from your hotspot? What hotspot?
Before him, let me explain one thing to you.
In many US carrier contracts, mobile data is “unlimited” in terms of volume. That is, you can practically download 1TB of data using mobile network and your device as long as you can manage to do so. But hotspot allowance is a different story. Hotspot allows other devices, including computer, to use mobile data. Limiting hotpost allowance will limits people from not buying cable subscriptions and using only mobile data as their sole internet connection.
 
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Thanks for your reply. I tried it however it took me to the iOS 11 site. As a previous poster said I don't think it's that big a deal as it looks like the 10.3.3 beta that was just released will be released as official very shortly

That’s odd, vecause it specifically says iOS 10 beta.
 
So end of the month release??

I hope so! At least for the Sierra update. We have some 2017 iMacs here at work that can't be deployed because our customized Sierra image won't run on them. 10.12.6 should fix this issue. I hate it when Apple does hardware-specific MacOS releases; this has been an occasional thorn in our side for years.
 
Before him, let me explain one thing to you.
In many US carrier contracts, mobile data is “unlimited” in terms of volume. That is, you can practically download 1TB of data using mobile network and your device as long as you can manage to do so. But hotspot allowance is a different story. Hotspot allows other devices, including computer, to use mobile data. Limiting hotpost allowance will limits people from not buying cable subscriptions and using only mobile data as their sole internet connection.

I know all of that. But these days, unlimited isn’t common, it’s rare. It’s also throttled, often to the point that downloading large files is almost impossible.

Cable subscriptions have nothing to do with hotspots. Data is data, as far as downloading goes. If you have no subscription, hotspot or not, you can’t get in. The problem, for me, with his post, is that it’s confusing. He has cellular, but no internet?
 
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I know all of that. But these days, unlimited isn’t common, it’s rare. It’s also throttled, often to the point that downloading large files is almost impossible.

Cable subscriptions have nothing to do with hotspots. Data is data, as far as downloading goes. If you have no subscription, hotspot or not, you can’t get in. The problem, for me, with his post, is that it’s confusing. He has cellular, but no internet?

Yes, I have no cable or dsl in the area, only electric and cellular. My plan is unlimited unthrottled cellular data but when I connect my computer to my iPhone, I can only get internet using the hotspot option in Settings. This feature costs me $20 extra a month for 2GB of hotspot data on top of my cellular plan, and if I exceed the 2GB then they charge me another $20 on my cell bill. So anywhere I can utilize my cellular data and not my hotspot data will help give me more surfing and email on my desktop.
 
Yes, I have no cable or dsl in the area, only electric and cellular. My plan is unlimited unthrottled cellular data but when I connect my computer to my iPhone, I can only get internet using the hotspot option in Settings. This feature costs me $20 extra a month for 2GB of hotspot data on top of my cellular plan, and if I exceed the 2GB then they charge me another $20 on my cell bill. So anywhere I can utilize my cellular data and not my hotspot data will help give me more surfing and email on my desktop.

Ok, that made sense. I’m sorry, but your first post was very confusing.
 
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Ok, that made sense. I’m sorry, but your first post was very confusing.
I notice cellular, hotspot, and 2GB. Then I immediately know what he is saying. Maybe in his mind, “internet” is equivalent to “unlimited data”. This could be a bit confusing for sure. ;)
 
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[doublepost=1499371966][/doublepost]Can you guys change the background picture, looks every time as if the screen is broken!
LOL yet there have been numerous requests to GET that wallpaper in multiple threads. :)
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That’s odd, vecause it specifically says iOS 10 beta.
Not really. Says "Next release" nothing about iOS 10.
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LOL yet there have been numerous requests to GET that wallpaper in multiple threads. :)
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Not really. Says "Next release" nothing about iOS 10.
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They changed it as of a day or so ago, I see. When I posted to him, hitting iOS 10, and scrolling down, went to the beta program for iOS 10 specifically, just to the left of the “developing for iOS 10” link to the right, which is still there. Now, it just says joining the beta program. Following that link mentions iOS 11.

It looks at though the 10.3.3 beta is about finished now, and Apple isn’t intending another update after that.
 
They changed it as of a day or so ago, I see. When I posted to him, hitting iOS 10, and scrolling down, went to the beta program for iOS 10 specifically, just to the left of the “developing for iOS 10” link to the right, which is still there. Now, it just says joining the beta program. Following that link mentions iOS 11.

It looks at though the 10.3.3 beta is about finished now, and Apple isn’t intending another update after that.
Yeah that appears to be correct. I suspect 10.3.3 releases tomorrow or this week at least. And most likely thats it for iOS 10 betas even if perhaps they drop another update at some point like 10.3.4 for instance, but prob just release it no beta.
 
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