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With so many things now using iCloud data the 5GB storage is getting very tight if not impossible to use. I don't see how apple can continue without at least offering 10GB for free in the coming years. I'm all for spending money on purchases but I HATE the idea of a recurring/monthly charge for any service, especially considering you don't get extra data for each device. If I have 3 devices but 3 separate iCloud account i get 15GB but I have to struggle to squeeze into a single 5GB iCloud account if i do it the way i'm supposed to. That doesn't see right or fair.
 
Did anyone experience crash after entering full screen mode in any app?

For example, every time I enter full screen mode in QuickTime Player, the whole system crashes and I'm thrown back to the login screen.
 
That doesn't see right or fair.
What surprises me is that no one in the Wall Street world has asked Tim Cook about this. Considering that Apple GAAP accounts for that 5GB of iCloud ON EVERY DEVICE over 2 years (or more, for Macs), for every device sold to an existing iCloud device user, Apple is banking an expense but then also taking it directly as a profit. Depending on the product mix--Apple always talks about how many "switchers" they get, but never the NUMBER, which I'm pretty sure is heavy on existing users given Apple's CusSat numbers--it is possible that a significant amount of the "growth" in the services silo is from accounting shenanigans. Basically Apple is claiming an expense that never occurs and then banking "growth" for a phantom service never provided. Considering how many Apple customers have more than one iCloud-capable device, thanks to the ecosystem lock-in, this is absolutely happening in big numbers.
I've sent notes to a number of the higher-profile AAPL analysts suggesting asking about this, but never got any replies.

(For instance: I think the "Services" growth was 12% Y-o-Y last quarter. Maybe 19%. I can't remember. But it was in that realm. If 15% of Apple's iPhone purchasers already have another device, then the "growth" is explained; the same 5GB is served, but Apple is now collecting 2x the "expense" to the Service account. Add another device, and it would be 3x. What percentage of Apple's customer base has an iPhone, iPad, and at least one Mac? 2 Macs? Me, for one. You. Two.)
 
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What surprises me is that no one in the Wall Street world has asked Tim Cook about this. Considering that Apple GAAP accounts for that 5GB of iCloud ON EVERY DEVICE over 2 years (or more, for Macs), for every device sold to an existing iCloud device user, Apple is banking an expense but then also taking it directly as a profit. Depending on the product mix--Apple always talks about how many "switchers" they get, but never the NUMBER, which I'm pretty sure is heavy on existing users given Apple's CusSat numbers--it is possible that a significant amount of the "growth" in the services silo is from accounting shenanigans. Basically Apple is claiming an expense that never occurs and then banking "growth" for a phantom service never provided. Considering how many Apple customers have more than one iCloud-capable device, thanks to the ecosystem lock-in, this is absolutely happening in big numbers.
I've sent notes to a number of the higher-profile AAPL analysts suggesting asking about this, but never got any replies.

(For instance: I think the "Services" growth was 12% Y-o-Y last quarter. Maybe 19%. I can't remember. But it was in that realm. If 15% of Apple's iPhone purchasers already have another device, then the "growth" is explained; the same 5GB is served, but Apple is now collecting 2x the "expense" to the Service account. Add another device, and it would be 3x. What percentage of Apple's customer base has an iPhone, iPad, and at least one Mac? 2 Macs? Me, for one. You. Two.)

I'd be willing to bet that most people don't use the allotted 5GB per device... I know I don't. I have 3 iPhones, and 3 iPads sharing my iClould account... and I pay $12/year for the 50GB storage to back them all up. The issue for me is the convenience of having my data shared across those devices (photos, contacts, calendars, notes, keychain, Find My iPhone, etc), so I am foregoing the 5GB free on 5 devices and paying for more storage on the one that I use.

I can't begin to imagine that I am the only one who does it that way. Sometimes you need to trade a modest payment amount for convenience. I'd love to see Apple come up with a way to solve this for me - allow me to "stack" the 5GB of storage into a single iCloud account for use on multiple devices... but until they do, I'll be continuing to pay for storage the way that I currently do.
 
I'd love to see Apple come up with a way to solve this for me - allow me to "stack" the 5GB of storage into a single iCloud account for use on multiple devices...
That's what alexgowers was saying, "stacking". You're saying that you "don't use the allotted" space, but you're still PAYING for it. And no, I don't mean your $12/year. Apple reports in their financial filings that some amount of the purchase price of each of your devices is stretched over a 2 year (or longer, depending on device) period to account for that 5GB of storage. Basic logic says that one user merely using more quota would be less expensive than the overhead of 6 different users (one point of contact, one point of support, etc), so "stacking" would alone be more profitable for Apple. But instead, in their financials, they are claiming that they are taking an "expense" for that 5GB on each device, and yet there you are taking it 1 time and paying $1 a month on top of that. My point, from the finances perspective, is how much of Apple's Services "profit" reflects users like you… and me… and alexgowers? Because if it is A LOT, Apple's growth in that segment is actually untrue! It is instead creative accounting, borne from inflexible policy rather than technical requirement. Now, yes, Apple IS actually booking that profit, we ARE buying those devices and we ARE paying for extra iCloud storage... for now. However by trumpeting 12% growth when they SURELY know full well it isn't actual growth and instead is fleecing of the consumer and GAAP tricks, Apple is playing a dangerous game that won't sit well with Wall Street when and if the analysts ever really figure it out. Right now, all the cards are out there. Apple is trying to pivot to push "Services", but if the numbers should fall out the bottom AAPL would be hurt. (And "trust" is about ALL Apple has at this point with Wall Street. Maybe and a bit of "exuberance".)
Worse they've gotten themselves into a Catch-22 where IF they raise the quota, which they will inevitably have to do at some point, then a significant chunk of the new-pivot Services "growth" disappears, Wall Street is going to absolutely see it for what it was. They're already lagging compared to other services, the press is starting to talk about it (MacWorld just did a piece on it a bit ago, 'Apple, Stop Being Stingy with iCloud Storage'), and now Apple is boxed in. Growth or customer sat. Wall Street is already starting to worry, all these recent interviews with Cook et al are a reflection of Apple Exec Team's ack of that. Cook has been saying for about a year too long that everyone was going to be magically amazed at the "pipeline", and we're about to get an iPhone that looks like one shipped 2 years ago, again. No MacBook Pros, no Mac Pros, disappointing sales, and a stock price that has done nothing for over a year. This isn't the way to make ANYONE "invested" in Apple--whether as a fan or a stockholder--"satisfied".
 
Did anyone experience crash after entering full screen mode in any app?

For example, every time I enter full screen mode in QuickTime Player, the whole system crashes and I'm thrown back to the login screen.
Finally found the culprit: Xmarks for Safari! Uninstalling it made the crash go away!

Weird thing is the crash only happened on my iMac, not on my MBP 15" (both used the same beta and Xmarks for Safari).
 
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