Apple Seeds Tenth Beta of macOS Monterey to Developers

[zorinlynx]

Considering that's precisely the mechanism they came up with for that functionality (very much in line with other well-known features, like AirDrop and Continuity/Hand-off), it is highly unlikely that it will ever work across different IDs.

Or between two Macs, one of which isn't signed into iCloud at all.

My work iMac wasn't signed into iCloud at all until a few months ago because I needed it to receive 2FA codes for signing into an Apple Developer account. It would literally not be signed into iCloud at all still if I hadn't needed that.

 

[andywaynebrooks]

Is universal control enabled and working? or is that going to come later?

Still can't run IOS APPS either like they said for Apple Silicon users. So what is the point of this new OS?

Boy When Windows 11 gets Android compatibility up and running and the New Alder Lake Intel I9 CPU's come out which SMOKE an M1 and leave it in the Dust APPLE has nothing left to brag about.

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[macpot]

Monterey not even being in RC yet gets me worried that the new Macbooks won't be delivered until next month

It's unlikely they will release them with Big Sur...

 

[bernaferrar]

It’s much better and more stabil then big sur

like catalina was better than mojave or high sierra better than sierra. I believe you. There is a good year and a bad year, now is the bad year.

 

[CaTOAGU]

Monterey not even being in RC yet gets me worried that the new Macbooks won't be delivered until next month

It's unlikely they will release them with Big Sur...

Well they're at an xxxxA build, so the code base is getting cleaner, and internally they'll be several builds ahead. I think they'll get a public release in the next couple of weeks. Maybe with a release day x.0.1 release. iOS was at a similar point before the iPhone 13, and that's gone reasonably well.

 

[chucker23n1]

You're right about those Alder Lake Intel I9 CPUs 'smoking' the M1 chip. They will definitely run hot 🥵! Also, M1 is considered lower-end. They should not be compared to Core i9 processors.

M1, maybe. it is the slowest Apple Silicon chip intended for the low end of the Apple line and it seriously challenges current Intel chips. Apple does not intend to stop there. Do you really think that Alder lake will smoke M1x chips? We'll see how that goes once they are both in users hands.

I mean… Intel's own marketing promises a roughly 20% IPC boost for Alder Lake. That would allow it to match the M1, while arriving a year later. It also raises questions such as: at the same wattage, or with more thermal output?

But that's for a single thread.

For multiple threads, we'll probably see:

• Alder Lake-P, at 12-45 W, with 6 p-cores and 8 e-cores. In contrast, the M1X, likely at slightly lower wattage but for the same kind of device (e.g., a 16-inch MacBook Pro), is rumored to feature 8 p-cores and 2 e-cores. Assuming the M1X has the same clock (which I wouldn't be so sure about — don't be surprised to see it go to something like 3.5 or 3.8 GHz, for another 9-19% boost, given that there will be more thermal headroom), that already makes the M1X more powerful at multithreaded stuff — and at least equally as powerful at single-threaded.
• Alder Lake-S, at 65-120W, with 8 p-cores and 8 e-cores, for some reason. Hard to say how this compares to Apple, since they haven't released anything remotely in this area yet.
• Alder Lake-M, at 7-15W, which isn't shipping until early next year but compares most closely to M1. Except, at that point, Apple will probably have the M2, which will bring a 9% boost if the A15 is anything to go by.

I see no reason to believe any of those will "smoke" the M1. They will certainly come a little closer to catching up, but probably with quite a few asterisks attached, like:

• how much more quickly will they throttle, compared to the M1?
• likewise, what is actual wattage compared to claimed TDP?
• when will Intel ship them at scale? This went very poorly for Ice Lake, and still not too great for Tiger Lake. The longer they wait, the more likely the M2 ships first.
• and by the time the M2 has shipped, who cares?

Now, if Intel can pull another 20% next year, that could be interesting. But it isn't looking like that.

 

[chucker23n1]

Monterey not even being in RC yet gets me worried that the new Macbooks won't be delivered until next month

It's unlikely they will release them with Big Sur...

I don't get the impression that the betas have been particularly unreliable, so they can always roll out a special build for those machines and ship a different final build to everyone else later.

 

[dogslobber]

Big Sur is now bug free.

 

[gank41]

Monterey not even being in RC yet gets me worried that the new Macbooks won't be delivered until next month

It's unlikely they will release them with Big Sur...

It’s very likely that they won’t start shipping until maybe the week before Thanksgiving because of the chip shortages. They probably want to stockpile before release. Probably not tied to macOS 12 beta issues in any way.

 

[jasoncarle]

Are we sure the Public Beta isn't out yet because my M1 mini is going through its pre update preparations as I type this...

 

[Realityck]

Are we sure the Public Beta isn't out yet because my M1 mini is going through its pre update preparations as I type this...

I think it was available the same time other PB betas became available at 1:22 PM PST today, that's a hour and 1/2 ago.

 

[NeekonMike]

Are we sure the Public Beta isn't out yet because my M1 mini is going through its pre update preparations as I type this...

My M1 mini is updating as well, public Beta 10 is out!

 

[rippley5150]

Apple really needs to come with something like vdo or stratis. I doubt they will but it would be nice.

 

[Kung gu]

Is universal control enabled and working? or is that going to come later?

Still can't run IOS APPS either like they said for Apple Silicon users. So what is the point of this new OS?

Boy When Windows 11 gets Android compatibility up and running and the New Alder Lake Intel I9 CPU's come out which SMOKE an M1 and leave it in the Dust APPLE has nothing left to brag about.

Geez at least Apple CPUs can't cook eggs on them

 

[gank41]

It’s very likely that they won’t start shipping until maybe the week before Thanksgiving because of the chip shortages. They probably want to stockpile before release. Probably not tied to macOS 12 beta issues in any way.

Tim Cook would be able to say something like “Pre Orders next Friday, shipping in one month”. That would line up with folks receiving them between November 12-19, or a week before Thanksgiving.

 

[Tagbert]

Apple really needs to come with something like vdo or stratis. I doubt they will but it would be nice.

VDO - a large line of gauges?

VDO Cockpit Royale 7K RPM Tachometer - 3 1/8"

Check out the deal on VDO Cockpit Royale 7K RPM Tachometer - 3 1/8" at JBugs.com

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Stratis - building management?

STRATIS

Smart apartments don’t have to be scary STRATIS is the operating system behind RealPage Smart Building that enables it to be a one stop shop...

stratisiot.com

Hmmm might be nice, but I agree, Apple is unlikely to pursue these businesses 😊

 

[jz0309]

Are we sure the Public Beta isn't out yet because my M1 mini is going through its pre update preparations as I type this...

Yes indeed, just finished installing on my M1 MBA. Has been on 24hrs after developer beta for the last 8 betas, maybe an indication of an imminent RC?
Also, love the new Safari, and I mean the new, not the back to old as in this beta

 

[rippley5150]

VDO - a large line of gauges?

VDO Cockpit Royale 7K RPM Tachometer - 3 1/8"

Check out the deal on VDO Cockpit Royale 7K RPM Tachometer - 3 1/8" at JBugs.com

www.jbugs.com

Stratis - building management?

STRATIS

Smart apartments don’t have to be scary STRATIS is the operating system behind RealPage Smart Building that enables it to be a one stop shop...

stratisiot.com

Hmmm might be nice, but I agree, Apple is unlikely to pursue these businesses 😊

vdo and stratis on a Linux system allow you to thinly provision a partition. You can take a 10GB and turn it to 10T.

 

[alien3dx]

Is universal control enabled and working? or is that going to come later?

Still can't run IOS APPS either like they said for Apple Silicon users. So what is the point of this new OS?

Boy When Windows 11 gets Android compatibility up and running and the New Alder Lake Intel I9 CPU's come out which SMOKE an M1 and leave it in the Dust APPLE has nothing left to brag about.

2 of my latest app appear on m1 . It all depend on developer.

 

[benspratling]

> Safari has been redesigned with a new tab bar
The only new change in Monterey is a bad one and already available to Big Sur. This seems like the worst update in years. I'll probably be holding until next year's update.

Mac Catalyst actually works in Monterey. So I'll be releasing some apps which require it.

 

[benspratling]

Okay 10 beta's, that should be enough for a stable .0 release. Right? RIGHT?!

p.s. I love the new safari.

hasn't worked in the past. ;-)

 

[leicaman]

Monterey is definitely better than Big Sur. Not everything is working yet, but I see the light at the end of the tunnel. Just a few more fixes and optimizations. My M1 MacBook Pro is downloading 10 now and I can't wait to see what Safari is going to be like.

 

[leicaman]

Is universal control enabled and working? or is that going to come later?

Still can't run IOS APPS either like they said for Apple Silicon users. So what is the point of this new OS?

Boy When Windows 11 gets Android compatibility up and running and the New Alder Lake Intel I9 CPU's come out which SMOKE an M1 and leave it in the Dust APPLE has nothing left to brag about.

You of course are joking right? Intel, who couldn't get a working 10nm process for the processors for, what, five years?

That Intel?

Good joke. But you need a better punch line.

 

[benspratling]

Big Sur is now bug free.

Until a year from now when we find out encryption in big sur was always hopelessly broken and foreign governments have taken advantage of it, or have been taken advantage of by it, as we have for basically all the other os releases.

 

[benspratling]

Tim Cook would be able to say something like “Pre Orders next Friday, shipping in one month”. That would line up with folks receiving them between November 12-19, or a week before Thanksgiving.

oh, for sure, for soooome people they will ship within a week, but you'll have to wake up at 5 am and order in under 38 seconds.