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Apple Seeds ZFS Read/Write Developer Preview 1.1 for Leopard
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What kind of company that stakes alot of it's reputation on it's operating system would plan on releasing the new version of it within day's of declaring the GM? I think it is risky & it is half-baked.😕
This might not be a pretty sight?
This might not be a pretty sight?
A company that faces opposition from an OS with a LOT of glass and shiny stuff that is quickly overtaking its main product...
Would you be so kind as to demonstrate to me exactly what these "few ZFS commands" are?
This is probably the fourth time I've posted this on these forums but I will say it again. That is not how ZFS snapshots work.
Please stop spreading misinformation. You don't have to make things up to hang, not everyone can be an expert.
dernhelm
macrumors 68000
Once they get RW going, Apple will be producing a full blown storage appliance like this one, or this one - only Apple style. Plug it in, let it do the rest. Built on ZFS so it's extendable and more or less bullet proof.
Read only is a different matter - someone else would be producing content and storing it so you can read from it. I remember way back when Linux could only read from NTFS drives. It was useful in its own way, because I could dual-boot into Linux and at least read from my NTFS drive. I suppose read only ZFS could be useful for a similar reason - anyone out there dual booting Solaris with OS/X?
phillipjfry
macrumors 6502a
I hope ZFS is a smash hit. There is alot of excitement built in ZFS and could change a lot about FS's especially when you mix in our future cat
Rocketman
macrumors 603
10.5.0 is for all practical purposes a public beta. 10.5.1 will be worth installing for bleeding edge users. 10.5.2 will probably be installed on shipping hardware (if 10.5.0 or 10.5.1 is, that would be "bad"), and will still require several software updates to use reasonably.
If you are a "trailing edge" user, please do yourself a favor and wait for 10.5.3.
Rocketman
To answer Cromulant I am not subject to NDA. Therefore I am free to talk at will.
If you are a "trailing edge" user, please do yourself a favor and wait for 10.5.3.
Rocketman
To answer Cromulant I am not subject to NDA. Therefore I am free to talk at will.
Cromulent
macrumors 604
I'd be interested to know if you were basing that or anything. Unless you have been using the developer seeds you can't possibly know that.
Plus whatever you have been using you definitely can't say which point release will make Leopard stable enough for all users.
Rocketman
macrumors 603
The defining charactistic is a "storage pool". Pool being 2 or more discs. If a drive fails, the data is safe. If you add a drive to a pool it adds capacity but does not change its "logical" treatment and if you added ANOTHER drive, you increased reliability as well as capacity. The filesystem is in effect an OS that manages data and drives so all you see as a user is the "pool". Think of it as your existing USB thumb drive but with 2-20 totally separate data storage chips such that if 2-7 chips fail or are physically damaged, you are still fully online and safe.
Oh, and it doesn't care if the drives are local, remote, network attached, or accessed via Wimax.
Rocketman
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macrumors 6502a
What if.....
In the initial 10.5 release, Resolution Independent (RI) and ZFS are not incorporated. Instead it will be added in a 10.5.x update.
Reason for this might be that the bugs at present to include ZFS and RI are not quite worked out, and the software would not utilize portion of the components. However once ready it can be added in similar to a plug-in for the OS and you have a Next Generation OS released as promised in October and acquiring extras once the software developers are ready to utilize it.
did this for Boot Camp, there is a good possibility. 🙂
Any thoughts?
In the initial 10.5 release, Resolution Independent (RI) and ZFS are not incorporated. Instead it will be added in a 10.5.x update.
Reason for this might be that the bugs at present to include ZFS and RI are not quite worked out, and the software would not utilize portion of the components. However once ready it can be added in similar to a plug-in for the OS and you have a Next Generation OS released as promised in October and acquiring extras once the software developers are ready to utilize it.
did this for Boot Camp, there is a good possibility. 🙂Any thoughts?
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macrumors 6502a
Oirectine
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http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/1446/zfs_ten_reasons_to_reformat_your_hard_drives said:
Yeah, I'm gonna go with ZFS=time machine 🙂
dernhelm
macrumors 68000
Google is your friend. There is plenty of information out there on Ars Technica and other sources. Much of it is quite accessible even to people without extensive FS knowledge.
Cromulent
macrumors 604
So you are not basing that off anything then... unless you have downloaded Leopard.
The words arse your pulling out of and information come to mind for some reason.
There is no way as I said before that you can predict what the point releases will do to Leopard in terms of stability and reliability. You have just stated conjecture as fact.
Telp
macrumors 68040
Cromulent
macrumors 604
It just means that your drive will be one pool with none of the speed advantages gained from having more than one drive in the pool.
Mavimao
macrumors 6502a
I love this part:
"In a world where 640KB is certainly not enough for computer memory..."
ZFS sounds amazing to me in terms of data reliability and integrity. It'll be a beautiful addition to my Desktop where I keep all my media and data and need 100% redundancy of it.
However, I have a MacBook right now and can't see how it would help me out with only one drive available.
However, I have a MacBook right now and can't see how it would help me out with only one drive available.
DaBrain
macrumors 65816
I'll make a guess. Time machine restorations and file etc.... recall (perhaps with Apple TV also). Like I said it's just a guess as the only thing I know about ZFS is what I have read here and a few links on this issue. 😕
Nicky G
macrumors 65816
Well, Apple does already have Xserve RAID, Xserve, & Xsan -- so someone who needs protection for their data already has plenty of options available to them (as well as the benefits of a clustered file system where multiple users can concurrently read-write to the same volume.) There are a bunch of other backup solutions, storage, etc. that are Mac-friendly. However, I agree that ZFS will allow for more people to get some of these kinds of benefits on the desktop.
Wikipedia has a great note relating to the file-number limit of ZFS:
"Although a statement quoted from [this page] asserted that "If 1,000 files were created every second, it would take about 9,000 years to reach the limit of the number of files", this is far short of the reality: If a billion computers each filled a billion individual file systems per second, the time required to reach the limit of the overall system would be almost 1,000 times the estimated age of the universe."
😀
And then they released a somewhat unfinished developer's preview as a way to throw everyone off the scent! Genius!