Someone who wants to hold 160GB of music and video? It is much nicer to hold an entire collection than having to decide in advance what you want on it. The current classic models are still very nice. One day the touch will replace it, but not yet.
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Someone who wants to hold 160GB of music and video? It is much nicer to hold an entire collection than having to decide in advance what you want on it. The current classic models are still very nice. One day the touch will replace it, but not yet.
So you are saying it would be good business for Apple to send people to the Zune.
And of course ewww, just ewww.
Exactly. I had one of the first mp3 players from Intel of all companies. It was a 128 megabyte model. Used to drive me crazy that I had to know what album I wanted to listen to before I left the house, then wait for the stupid thing to sync. Fast-foward to today and I'm spoiled. I don't want to manage my song availability when I leave the house.
I'm no audiophile, 90% of my songs are 192K mp3. But my song collection recently tipped over the 80 gig capacity of my old iPod and it's driving me nuts. I'll probably pick up a 160 gig one soon.
While I would understand a consumer desire for cheap backup, it seams to me that a professionals needs would be better met by Disk drive backup. Faster retrieval, search ability, and automatic redundancy through RAID if desired. I'd be interested to know what advantages Disc media provides other than price, if there is one.
As a Consumer of large quantities of data, I find that the 8gb thumb drive the save of my thumb nail I carry around at all times does nicely. Alternatively I have portable 120gb drive when moving larger files is required. Now we have even larger thumb drives and portable 2.5 drives. When moving media around, why don't these devices work? Blu-Ray is also slower to transfer data to/from the disc than is an HD.
Now if Blu-Ray has become an "industry standard" and you work with people that require you to read their disks, I can understand the frustration.
While I believe that Apple has put a fair amount of focus on iOS, I believe the majority of the perceived focus is media and consumer focus, not Apple. They have a right to put effort behind a project that will will have a more drastic effort on the electronic industry, than does incorporating the newest iteration of doohicky X into a Mac Pro. That said, Unless someone tells me that Apple has cut funding to the Mac Pro hardware team, or that the Hardware guys are being recruited to construct iOS, I don't think that Apple's focus on the iPad is at all detrimental to the next iteration of the Mac Pro.
Lack of Blu-Ray is a solid concern, but it's a concern that everyone voices, not just the Pro-Sumers. In fact it's the home ability to play movies that garners the loudest voices around here, not the Pro-Sumers ability to backup work.
The lack of Display updates is disappointing, but it's not like technology in this arena is blindingly fast or anything. They will probably come with new Mac Pros.
And as for the "Pro-sumer" hardware, the MacBook Pros were just updated significantly, and the Mac Pros are 4 months behind the calculated average. This to me hardly "Suggests" an attitude against Pro-sumers. If Apple released a godly Mac Pro in 2 more months, the case for "they are ignoring us" will be completely void, in fact the argument could be said that they are ignoring us regular consumers!
Wait a minute. because of a rumor this entire theory has become very apparent to you? I have a new rumor for you: "Steve is handing out new Mac Pros and a $5000 gift certificate to all Pro-sumers next Tuesday". There, how does that rumor calculate into what is apparent? Because to me, both rumors are equally likely to come about.
I'm glad you find that interesting. I'm not at all concerned with one individuals choice of creative tools. If people honestly believe that Apple is dumping the pro-sumer hardware, than I would highly suggest you go out and buy new windows based machines immediately. After all, it would be foolish to wait for something that you are convinced is just going to lead you down a path to nowhere. Best hop on the bandwagon that cares about pro-sumers asap.
I consider myself a pro-sumer. I just happen to not require really fast hardware to do my work. Lucky me I guess
Apple has 4.37% of the worldwide consumer market (and 2.56% of the commercial market), according to the most recent numbers I could find. http://tinyurl.com/28obw29
Market share in the US is 8%.
I would be interested to see the US college student market share, though.
That statement can not hold true for everything.
When I'm working on web related stuff and am switching between 6-10 different apps, yeah, I notice the OS. When I'm working in a single IDE for hours at a time, I can forget* what hardware and OS I'm working in without much trouble.
*until I try and cmd-c some text, dangit.
Maybe this is harsh but that sounds so dorky. I am a forum member but no this is not my family.
Maybe a decline in iPod sales because more people are buying Macs that have the free iPod option with it?
Anyways, I'd be very sad if they kill the Classic. My more than average sweaty hands kills the use of a touch screen
Anyways, I'd be very sad if they kill the Classic. My more than average sweaty hands kills the use of a touch screen
are you saying you use mac and windows depending on the task?I prefer mac for everything.
I prefer OSX, all things being equal. But when compiling large programs or working with large photographs, I care less about the interface (Since they are the same across the platform) and care more about how long it takes. There is of course a spectrum, saving one second isn't worth it, saving a minute is. In any case, my point is that for many people, slow hardware + OSX does not the ultimate experience make.
However, if it does, I have PowerMac 7600 here that still runs. I'll trade it to you for a Windows based machine made in the last 5 or so years. A deal, right?
If they are truly going to kill off the Classic this year, I say go retro, make a special-edition Classic, reminiscent of the 1st gen. Same dimensions and everything (just put flash memory on instead.) It will bring the Classic line full circle.
they will probably just kill off the ipod classic.
very few people need 160gb of music and vids all the time.
next time the itouch gets a storage upgrade the classic is bye bye!
very few people need 160gb of music and vids all the time.
next time the itouch gets a storage upgrade the classic is bye bye!
Why though? Why kill it?
The device is still making Apple Money. In fact at this point, they have got to be dirt cheap to produce, and the R&D is long since paid off. So Apple is probably making more on those devices than they are on iPod Touch's. It's not as if it overlaps with over products. It's a unique device that Apple is still selling.
I'm really puzzled why everything thinks Apple will kill it
Seeing that the iPhone didn't get a capacity upgrade this year, I don't see the iPod Touch getting a capacity update either. Would be surprised if the nano gets a capacity upgrade either considering it took Microsoft to push them to go to 16GB with the 4th gen.
No one here even factors in video either, throw video on the 64GB iPod Touch and that capacity goes real quick.
When working with Aperture libraries that equal 40-50 GB's each, mostly with RAW format, it adds up. I have 8 2TB's SATA HDD's, two with "Time Machine" for each system, and if I backed up all my photography, HD video editing, etc. I would need 4+ TB's for "Time Machine". Burning files for clients and projects on Blu-Ray media is much easier and saves space (and also money as I would need an NAS or a ton of external FireWire/eSATA HDD's). Certainly SATA and RAID systems would be perfect, but again, it's a lot of data. Many in the creative industry, especially editors and cinematographers, etc. need a lot of space when working with data, especially HD data. Burning important files to hard media also insures less data loss should one of my SATA drives burn out (I "Time Machine" any important files, but there's no way my work over 1+ years will fit).
Many professionals in digital photography used PowerMac's and Mac Pro's with CCFL Cinema Displays, especially the 30" displays as they are IPS panels with great color reproduction. Apple has a 27" LED LCD IPS with their iMac, so for those stating a 27"+ display with LED backlighting would be prohibit-ally expensive is illogical. Apple offers a full desktop system starting around ~$1500 with a 27" IPS LED LCD. Minus the computer parts, I can't imagine the display itself costing more than $1000. The 24" LED LCD is $899, I'm sure Apple can produce an 30" LED LCD for under the current price of their outdated 30" CCFL LCD.
It wasn't a rumor. As I recall, it was a confirmed possibility with Apple. As iOS is the system adopted by their mobile products and with the release of "Snow Leopard", Apple has been consolidating their OS by rewriting code more efficiently with less disk space necessary. It's not a major issue, but it is interesting as OS X has been Steve Jobs' baby since NExT. Apple moving their platform to iOS this year simply reiterates this business ideology. While it is known Apple does not make most of their money through iTunes sales, they make their money through selling the products consumers need for iTunes. This has been Apple's business core for the past few years, bringing them to the forefront of the consumer market with the iPod to the iPad/iPhone.
As I worked with Ms Leibovitz as a digital tech assistant with "Vanity Fair" and "Vogue", she and many in her field relied heavily on Mac systems, and their displays are essentially calibrated through the OS and the adjoining hardware. Color and print accuracy were/are highly regarded with Apple displays. However, many are switching to Eizo and NEC and even some HP displays as Apple has seriously neglected their display lineup. My comment was not regarding the Mac computer, it was in regards to the displays professionals utilize in the industry. Heck, I know quite a few Windows users who use 30" cinema displays on their systems.
I love OS X, and I do use Windows when necessary. Is this all a deal breaker? No. Yet it certainly is perplexing and frustrating that Apple refuses to adopt current technology (beyond MacBook Pro's, most pro's use workstations) in their displays and with the inclusion of Blu-Ray. If Apple would address these issues, OS X (or iOS X, who knows
) would be perfect!EDIT: Interesting that "Final Cut Pro" supports HD video, but not Blu-Ray media.
I just remembered genius director David Lynch's comment on watching movies on the iPhone and iDevices in 2008:
"…If you're playing the movie on a telephone, you will never in a trillion years experience the film. You'll think you have experienced it, but you'll be cheated. It's such a sadness that you think you've seen a film on your ********* telephone. Get real."
YouTube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0&feature=player_embedded
Why am I posting this? It demonstrates the lack of true cinema quality in Apple's lineup with regards to their "HD" 720P movies (which aren't even 5.1 surround sound) and Apple's stubbornness in adopting HDCP in OS X.
Says who? Like I said before when I go on vacation I don't know what mood I'll b in. I have an 80GB Classic now and my music collection grows almost everyday. I would hate to pick what I might want to listen too on a trip. Also for work my mood in music changes almost every hour. So yes I love the classic and I use mine everyday.
It will be an extremely sad day when Apple kills off the original iPod.
I couldn`t agree more
Did anyone seriously think the iPad would be a replacement for a Mac? Even the most novice users need to open a zip file and deal with a filesystem and a more advanced OS.
I think an iPad actually needs a more knowledgeable user to use than an actual computer. Someone buying an iPad actually needs to know its limitations and is willing to drop some features.
I think an iPad actually needs a more knowledgeable user to use than an actual computer. Someone buying an iPad actually needs to know its limitations and is willing to drop some features.
Family album
No, I'm not. All of us are very cool. It's REALLY like a family. A family, established by brothers and sisters.
No, I'm not. All of us are very cool. It's REALLY like a family. A family, established by brothers and sisters.
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Yes, it would seem so.
Other people are speaking about USB3 in this thread and lightpeak isn't finished, is it? Have we seen anything working with that anywhere?
If only they would lower prices on 14 month old hardware that was marked up on the day it was released.
if only...
It all depends on when you want to buy, doesn't it? You can wait. Others can't. People buy now and get ripped off, or move to windows and have spare money left over to upgrade again in 18 months.
Your book has less work to do than mine.
Ummm, OK?
both.
- Their MacPro hardware is laughably expensive for previous generation tech (really just the single quad machines)
- their own "pro" software suite doesn't take advantage of their 64-bit operating system.
- Loved shake while it was out, Apple. Thanks for buying it, taunting people with it by requiring mac purchases with it, dropping the price to an insane $500, then killing it.
- The graphic card options. 'nuff said.
- realtime 3d performance of mac hardware performs better when running under windows. (That's Apple's fault - get some real drivers in there.)
- The iMac 27". While the iMac is a cool machine, $2200 for a single quad core is a little confusing - it outperforms it's more expensive MacPro brethren. It taunts us with an affordable fast core i7 processor, while flirting with the priceline of an apple workstation. Why do this apple, if not to make the MacPro less appealing?
- Jobs doesn't like Blu-Ray, fine. But creatives cannot author a full blu-ray disc on the mac. Why dismiss a customer begging to hand over money? Make it BTO, and charge people a premium who want to use it. They'll pay. If the market is that small, charge a large premium. They'll still pay to avoid using windows.
- The mac mini is the only thing with HDMI while the rest of the line gets the ridiculous mini display port? Ugh.
- Speaking of a mini, is a core 2 duo worth $700 anymore? (answer: no)
- The mac gets plugins and updated 64-bit apps last. (Welcome to 64-bit, Maya and Photoshop - you beat Apple!)
- There is no balanced option between power and price.
- Oh, yeah, Apple declared a nasty, very public war on one of its biggest 3rd party software developers. Nothing like having a fireman carry you out of the burning building, then kicking him square in the nuts as a thank you once you are away from the flames.
Hope the above helped. I was venting a little because I still love, love, LOVE my mac (and my iTouch). We just need to go to counseling.
Sooner is better! Sooner as in yesterday.
Its prolly time the original iPod was put to rest and allow the iPod Touch claim its place as the new iPod, who wants just a iPod anymore? I expect with all thats being shoved into the Touch series and nothing new has happened with the iPods for some time now, and I mean some time. Those of us who remember the first ipods, and watched them evolve feel slightly old, much like those who were around for the Apple II, and see Apple today.
iPod, iPhone, iPad and iMac. The four cornerstones of Apples growing empire, and the perculier thing, as happened with me. Is with any of the four, you kind of begin to crave the others. I got my first iPod, that had a crap black and white screen, and backlit, then got a Video iPod and now have a iPod Classic. I then got ahold of my iPhone, I didn't have one for the first two generations, but I finally got the 3gs, and then I made the big leap to the iMac, and now I want a iPad instead of a MacBook. Addicting, damn you Apple!!!
iPod, iPhone, iPad and iMac. The four cornerstones of Apples growing empire, and the perculier thing, as happened with me. Is with any of the four, you kind of begin to crave the others. I got my first iPod, that had a crap black and white screen, and backlit, then got a Video iPod and now have a iPod Classic. I then got ahold of my iPhone, I didn't have one for the first two generations, but I finally got the 3gs, and then I made the big leap to the iMac, and now I want a iPad instead of a MacBook. Addicting, damn you Apple!!!