AustinIllini
macrumors G5
Especially when you're under pressure to buy parts made in America, seeing as Samsung makes the A5X right down the street.
Apple Seeking $2.5 Billion from Samsung in U.S. Patent and Design Infringement Trial
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Especially when you're under pressure to buy parts made in America, seeing as Samsung makes the A5X right down the street.
In what SPECIFIC WAY was the iPhone better than a Windows mobile phone at the time the FIRST iPhone was introduced, other than multi-touch? I listed in another post in this thread all the things that my Windows mobile phone could do that the iPhone could not, so I won't go through it here again.
Yeah... just curious - how many of those 200 were accepted. Just asking if you know. Because there's a difference between filing and actually having them.
Your not serious, right? They play fair? They always buy or license it?
Read something besides the Apple websites and forums please.
Technarchy
macrumors 604
If Samsung were to try and inflate part costs on Apple, it would be a huge gift to their competitors.
We saw what happened to Google Maps when Google raised access costs...
gotluck
macrumors 603
Well I wouldn't go bragging about Apple's maps app yet... At this point I'd rather have the old Google Maps app.
Regardless of Samsung's competitors, Apple needs Samsung. Hell, Apple's at thermonuclear war with Google and it took them this long to get rid of Google Maps, I wouldn't count on a huge change in the supply chain.
ChrisTX
macrumors 68030
Some of those things you mention here are really non essential. You shouldn't have to download a third party keyboard to get core functionality to work the way it was originally intended.
Steve Jobs said it best..."Smartphones now, aren't so smart, and they're not so easy to use." Apple took an industry in which no one but business people had a smartphone, and put a smartphone into the hands of MILLIONS of people that never would have used one otherwise. Apple revolutionized the way we look at mobile today, and forever. If Apples offerings with the iPhone weren't so significant, then Google, and Microsoft would be doing something radically different right now, and they're not. The Blackberries, Palms, Nokias, etc...of yore should have had Apple patented core functionality if it was so insignificant but they like many major corporations got lazy, and allowed for Apple to come in and take over.
MagnusVonMagnum
macrumors 603
By your reasoning, we should only have 1 company making cars, 1 company making phones, 1 company making computers, 1 company making refrigerators, etc., etc. since they ALL are copy-cat devices. Samsung doesn't use iOS or ANY Apple code. Apple didn't invent the tablet computer. They sure as heck didn't invent the Cell phone (and have been sued for various infringements thereof). The idea is ludicrous when taken to extremes. Patents are for SPECIFIC processes, formulas and the like that are not obvious. Being able to patent the idea of using your finger to press or swipe things is downright stupid but that doesn't stop Apple from trying to sue everyone.
This. Twenty lines of code that was patented is somehow worth 220x more than the massive amount of time and effort that went into each component of the 3G specification.
It strikes me that Samsung is less than impressed with Apple's demands, hence why they've been unreasonable in return with the 3G patents.
Is the overscroll bump effect nice? Yes. Is it essential? No. In many ways the fact that a simple effect can be patented like this shows all that is wrong with the software patent system.
macMD
macrumors 6502
Apple has been smoking too much crack for far too long. They abuse FRAND patents and refuse to pay the patent holder and then force them to sue them. Allowing the courts to rule what is fair and reasonable.
Traded dress, really are being so confused by a Samsung Android tablet that they are NOT buying an iPad instead. Simply put they are buying based on price and their desire to purchase Android over iOS.
I had features in my PPC Phone in 2000 - 2003 window that was all touch screen with touch screen keyboards while Apple claims that was their key feature.
Apple has also clearly RIPPED OFF smaller companies innovations and patents and forced those entities with far, far smaller bank accounts to sue them. Just look at the iPod lawsuit over the UI and see that the company was awarded $6million (or so) for patent abuse. Apple made a crap load of money on the iPod and the UI was key.
The best and most fair way to deal with Apple vs (Insert Company Here) Samsung, etc. is to send them to mediation instead of tying up the courts for years.
Traded dress, really are being so confused by a Samsung Android tablet that they are NOT buying an iPad instead. Simply put they are buying based on price and their desire to purchase Android over iOS.
I had features in my PPC Phone in 2000 - 2003 window that was all touch screen with touch screen keyboards while Apple claims that was their key feature.
Apple has also clearly RIPPED OFF smaller companies innovations and patents and forced those entities with far, far smaller bank accounts to sue them. Just look at the iPod lawsuit over the UI and see that the company was awarded $6million (or so) for patent abuse. Apple made a crap load of money on the iPod and the UI was key.
The best and most fair way to deal with Apple vs (Insert Company Here) Samsung, etc. is to send them to mediation instead of tying up the courts for years.
What exactly happened to Google maps? They got better? And now that CoOrning and Samsung announced that they will create a joint venture to produce Gorilla Glass, does it mean that Apple will be buying yet another critical component from Samsung?
Some of those things you mention here are really non essential. You shouldn't have to download a third party keyboard to get core functionality to work the way it was originally intended.
Steve Jobs said it best..."Smartphones now, aren't so smart, and they're not so easy to use." Apple took an industry in which no one but business people had a smartphone, and put a smartphone into the hands of MILLIONS of people that never would have used one otherwise. Apple revolutionized the way we look at mobile today, and forever. If Apples offerings with the iPhone weren't so significant, then Google, and Microsoft would be doing something radically different right now, and they're not. The Blackberries, Palms, Nokias, etc...of yore should have had Apple patented core functionality if it was so insignificant but they like many major corporations got lazy, and allowed for Apple to come in and take over.
Boy oh boy...
First off, you CAN download different keyboards for different type of functionality if the core keyboard doesn't do something or you simply want a different SKIN on it. Nothing wrong with the core keyboard. For instance (an Android example), you can get a 'swipe" type keyboard it you like that style. Apple gives you no choice. You are stuck.
As for the rest of your Apple PR stuff - phew. Yes, it's PR stuff.
Yes, they DID increase the POPULARITY of smart phones without a doubt, because of the fanbase and their superior marketing skills, not so much phone technology. And with popularity comes attention. And with attention comes a whole lot of 3rd party developers. It's the 3rd party app developers that REALLY revolutionized the industry.
Swordylove
macrumors 6502a
"Tap to zoom" is a patent by itself, as stated in the article.
Protecting "Slide to unlock" seems justifiable enough to me. But "tap to zoom"? That's like patenting a key bind. Of course you're going to tap it; it's a touchscreen! Duh!
Also, just because they patented it doesn't make it THIER work (talking common sense here, screw the flawed manmade laws). If someone other people have implemented it first, but Apple's the one who patent it, who's stealing whose work here (if you call that a 'work')?
Anyone would've implemented it without knowing that kind of stuff has already been patented, because it's ridiculous to have such obvious gesture patented.
Technarchy
macrumors 604
It will no longer be the default mapping application in iOS devices in a few weeks.
You think this is a good thing considering Google makes more off iOS than any other mobile OS?
djphat2000
macrumors 65816
Did you hold on to that Windows CE phone that long? That's years man.
I had a Windows CE phone (Samsung BlackJack). No touch screen or anything fancy. I just didn't like Black Berry's, and wanted to have a better phone to text with. IE on the phone wasn't great at all, but it worked I suppose. Accessing files was useful at times, but in general not that big of a deal. I actually had a harder time getting Active Sync to work on that phone then my 3G iPhone. But, these were years apart.
In every way, the iPhone 3G that replaced that BlackJack was WAY better. YMMV here, and I am sure you had a different phone then I did. But, I doubt very many had the phone you were using compared to the iPhone, or any other BB or WinCE or Treo or HP, blah blah blah phone. If it was really that great, it would have become what the iPhone or Droid is today. Just way sooner.
A couple of more "improvements" like this and iOS will become totally useless.
Reason077
macrumors 601
Ridiculous? I don't think so. Things like bouncing scrollbars didn't exist in mobile devices before the iPhone. Yet the smartphones of the time got by just fine without them. Google & Samsung could have done the R&D to come up with their own scrolling solution - yet they chose to copy Apple's.
On the other hand, that doesn't mean Samsung and others should be prevented from creating smartphones that can compete with the iPhone. Competition is healthy and good for everyone, including Apple customers. A balance needs to be found between ensuring a competitive market and protecting/encouraging innovation.
jmgregory1
macrumors 68040
What? Apple is ruining the technology world with their patents, huh? No one can innovate?
If the point you're trying to make is that Apple is keeping others from copying their patented (designs, technology, etc) and that is what you consider to be innovation, then wow, you have a strange definition of innovation.
This issue has nothing to do with Apple's marketing prowess. You can replace any business name in your argument and it still makes zero sense. If company "A" creates and patents a product, then they should be able to have the support of the legal system when company "B" copies/pilfers/steals/borrows their patented product.
Innovation should work like this - company "A" creates and patents a product and company "B" takes the concept of company "A" product, improves upon it - makes it better and patents their product.
Innovation is the introduction of something new - a new method, idea or device (for example). How is not being able to copy someone else's idea stifling innovation?
tshrimp
macrumors 6502
I don't know who is right or wrong here. But every time I see Apples name these days it is associated with a legal action. Creative Labs did this back in the day, and was successful in many cases and not in others, but people started to rebel against them after all this, and I am afraid this will happen with Apple. I know I like my Apple stuff, but even myself is starting to resent them.
Thank you for this. I know I shouldn't be expecting anything less then raving fanboys on a site called Macrumors but the cult like defending of Apple is a huge contrast to the rationality applied by every other site discussing this case. Apple is being ridiculous here because they want to be a monopoly. The patent system is broken.
Reason077
macrumors 601
It's bad. In many aspects, Apple's Maps are inferior compared to Google's. Things like turn by turn and 3D buildings are cool, but when it comes to the basics, Google's Maps are better - both in the quality of the cartography and the accuracy and completeness of the source data.
Apple trying to catch up with Google in Maps is a bit like Google trying to catch up with Apple in mobile OS's
Tell that to the iOS keyboard.
Kevin Winsness
macrumors newbie
Pay us!!!
Just pay us our money already Samsung!!!! You have been ripping off our IP for years now!!
Just pay us our money already Samsung!!!! You have been ripping off our IP for years now!!