Downtown Brooklyn near one of the bridges would be a good location.
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Apple Seeking to Build New Retail Store in Manhattan's Grand Central Terminal
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problem with brooklyn is that a lot of the western side is an environmental nightmare from 100 years ago and the new developer is responsible for cleanup. Whole Foods was going to open a store in brooklyn but after years of trying to clean up the location they gave up. and the western side near park slope is the only part where apple will think about opening one
all the idiots who want to see america manufacture crap again should pay a visit to NYC to check out the aftermath
all the idiots who want to see america manufacture crap again should pay a visit to NYC to check out the aftermath
Also a Barney's co op recently opened behind Trader Joes in Cobble Hill. No reason that could not have been an Apple store. It's extremely centrally located. And I dont think size is an issue. I've been to the Santa Monica apple store, so I know not every iteration has to be this incredible visual experience. Apple could build something functional that is a bit more central to a huge customer base right here in brooklyn.
Bingo! As much as I miss the character of the old NYC being replaced with Disney stores and bland brick and mortar stores, least Guilliani and Bloomberg boosted the economy, cleaned up area's and cut crime.
I'd rather small mom and pop businesses rather than large chains (hate Bestbuy, Walmart, etc.).
And hey, Apple is tight with their system and stores. That's never changed. It's an eco-system that works, leaving little work for bridging Apple iDevices and OS X systems. It sucks that it's tied into the ITMS, although there are third party ways around it. Does it make them Communistic? Heck no. Move to North Korea (if you could), then come back and tell me Apple is communistic. They have come along way, supporting environmental awareness in technology, leading the industry in recyclable materials and less e-wate, and proving that doing so doesn't break the bank. They support a lot of human rights causes and have a 0 tolerance policy for discrimination, even for transgender (EDNA) which is unheard of in today's corporate world.
I'd say all these make Apple very UN-communistic
Don't get me started on Apple dropping their Professional products (I'm growing weary of iDevices). What happened to the OS X beta's for developers (have a developer account and nothing)? Give us a reasonable tower, a dedicated display lineup, OS X 10.7 beta's, Resolution Independence, buy out Sun and ZFS, get back Xserve, stop dumbing down Pro Apps with "Share on Facebook", etc., get OpenGL 3+ running, and what happened to 64-bit Apple apps?! iLife '11 32-bit???
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Yeah, I know that Staples. My question is, where are you going to get your car fixed when the high rise condos and retail stores push out all the tire changing places and the mechanics on 4th ave?
there is something called zoning. you can't just build a condo anywhere you want
and most cars i see are new cars. i haven't had to go to a mechanic in years because new cars almost never break
hmm..agreed on the small mom/pop businesses rather than chains..i guess it's somewhat hypocritical of me to want apple but not want walmart..especially in light of recent reports that apple's labor practices arent 100% perfect either
however i think its important to debunk the myth of a) Giuliani taking sole credit for cleaning up crime, when in fact the crime decline began under Dinkins and continued to go downward during Giulianis' time (simultaneously relations between minority communities and the police were at an all time low due to a number of terrible incidents (Louima, Diallo, etc..) and an overall perception of what Police and Giuliani's stance on crime really meant for those communities.
also Bloomberg's "improved economy" has resulted in the largest population decline of minorities in manhattan (AA, Hispanic, and Asians), leaving the city devoid of any real culture or diversity. Furthermore running the city as a business has resulted in survival of the fittest mentality that has led to cronyism, the over-construction of glass towers that only the richest 2-3 percent or Foreign investors/speculators can afford to purchase, and again a city that minorities by and large cannot afford to live in, and one that small businesses cannot afford to operate in due to skyrocketing rents as property values/speculation has soared through the roof as these glass towers have been planted all over.
All good to say you prefer small businesses, but it's policies that dictate if they can really operate here or not, and right now the climate isnt really supportive of that.
They re-zoned 4th avenue 3 or 4 years ago for residential condos. Glad to hear you have a new car.
yes it is
The 5th ave store is really for tourists visiting all the attractions in that area such as Central Park, The Plaza, F A O Swartz, Madison Ave shopping, etc..
Grand Central is a commuter hub servicing people living in the region that work in Manhattan. The two customers are not the same. There is a lot of retail space connected to the station my guess is a storefront on 42nd street.
The 5th ave store is really for tourists visiting all the attractions in that area such as Central Park, The Plaza, F A O Swartz, Madison Ave shopping, etc..
Grand Central is a commuter hub servicing people living in the region that work in Manhattan. The two customers are not the same. There is a lot of retail space connected to the station my guess is a storefront on 42nd street.
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Yea I think Brooklyn is the most inconvieniant borough in NYC. I don't think many people outside of Brooklyn would go to a Brooklyn Apple store rather than one in Manhattan or even Long Island. Then again I dont think many people outside of Brooklyn go there for anything. Besides, 2.5 million people in Brooklyn will still buy Apple products with or without a Brooklyn store. Apple knows this.
Yea I think Brooklyn is the most inconvieniant borough in NYC. I don't think many people outside of Brooklyn would go to a Brooklyn Apple store rather than one in Manhattan or even Long Island. Then again I dont think many people outside of Brooklyn go there for anything. Besides, 2.5 million people in Brooklyn will still buy Apple products with or without a Brooklyn store. Apple knows this.
So advocating for diversity means bringing in the chain stores and high rises...I guess we have a different interpretation of how to maintain diverse neighborhoods.
Don't throw bricks if you live in a glass house/retail store
not in favor of the condos (unless they are 'affordable' residences...which most arent so thats a moot point)...
But I do agree with the other poster who suggested some areas could be rezoned and designated as retail areas. Again that area is less desirable than the red hook suggestion though, which i think works better.
Wait. So according to you: without AAs, Asians, and Hispanics there is no "real" culture or diversity? Way to insult every other ethnic group. Please check your racist attitudes at the door.
Umm, there is nothing hypocritical about that.
Apple is a massive plus side to the economy.
Walmart is a drain. Walmart originally used economy of scale to lower their prices, but now their profits are largely based on the following factors:
1) Killing competition, and therefore killing demand for labor, allowing them to hire for cheap.
2) Using their monopsony status to force suppliers into unreasonable contracts (including selling below cost)
3) Reduce labor costs even further by giving workers terrible health care plans, essentially making the govt. pay for labor costs through emergency rooms.
The Apple labor issues were looked into quickly, and by most metrics their employees (whether in the US or their contractors' employees in China) are paid as well, if not better, than their peers. The same is not true of Walmart.
What neighborhood would Apple build it in? Most people who live in Brooklyn *work* in Manhattan. Just because Brooklyn is a great place to have a tasty beer and meal at night doesn't mean its a prime retail location during the day.
I bet a lot of Brooklynites visit Manhattan Apple stores on their lunch hour.
My take
Having move to Manhattan in 1981 and living several of those early years in a "multi-cultural neighborhood" I saw crime and poverty on a daily bases. Drug use and dealing was rampant, there were at least 2 dealers in my building, I had to step over junkies to get into my apartment. Yes those were the good old days of multi-cultural existence. Don't get me wrong I'm not blaming minorities for crime I blame poverty. New York was literally bankrupt in the late 70's. The middle class fled to the suburbs. Housing prices dropped through the floor. What changed this in part was a new wave of immigrants, the Chinese and Koreans. Green grocery shops were reborn and the quality of life improved. Another big change was the building of prisons. New York state like many place in the US expanded its prison system, took criminals off the streets and put them away for a long time. The third and probably more debatable change happened on Wall Street. Like the movie the Reagan era was the beginning of relaxed regulations and it suddenly became a new game downtown. Bankers could make a ton of money in ways the were illegal the decade before. All this money spurred a building and investment boom which came crashing down in the early 90's with President Bush (the first one). By this time real estate was not turning back a lot of money had been spent building and buying properties. The chain stores by the end of the 90's were the only companies that could afford the commercial rents asked by landlord. Even Greenwich Village on tree lined 200 plus year old building Bleeker street was taken over by Ralph Lauren a few years ago forcing mom and pop stores out. New York is always changing that is a certainty. The other 4 boroughs are now what neighborhoods like the lower east side, soho, east and west village use to be, hotbeds of young artist, performers and writer, the very people that will shape our culture in years to come.
Having move to Manhattan in 1981 and living several of those early years in a "multi-cultural neighborhood" I saw crime and poverty on a daily bases. Drug use and dealing was rampant, there were at least 2 dealers in my building, I had to step over junkies to get into my apartment. Yes those were the good old days of multi-cultural existence. Don't get me wrong I'm not blaming minorities for crime I blame poverty. New York was literally bankrupt in the late 70's. The middle class fled to the suburbs. Housing prices dropped through the floor. What changed this in part was a new wave of immigrants, the Chinese and Koreans. Green grocery shops were reborn and the quality of life improved. Another big change was the building of prisons. New York state like many place in the US expanded its prison system, took criminals off the streets and put them away for a long time. The third and probably more debatable change happened on Wall Street. Like the movie the Reagan era was the beginning of relaxed regulations and it suddenly became a new game downtown. Bankers could make a ton of money in ways the were illegal the decade before. All this money spurred a building and investment boom which came crashing down in the early 90's with President Bush (the first one). By this time real estate was not turning back a lot of money had been spent building and buying properties. The chain stores by the end of the 90's were the only companies that could afford the commercial rents asked by landlord. Even Greenwich Village on tree lined 200 plus year old building Bleeker street was taken over by Ralph Lauren a few years ago forcing mom and pop stores out. New York is always changing that is a certainty. The other 4 boroughs are now what neighborhoods like the lower east side, soho, east and west village use to be, hotbeds of young artist, performers and writer, the very people that will shape our culture in years to come.
i have not advocated once for high-rises. You should not make such huge leaps. i'm as opposed to them as anyone else. However i'd love to keep money in the boro instead of being forced to spend it in manhattan. If the inevitably is another apple store will open in nyc, i'd prefer it to be brooklyn. Especially since it doesnt cannibalize exisiting businesses in brooklyn, as apple products can only be sold by authorized dealers, of which there arent any here anyway. (aside the larger retail chains which I don't shop in for reasons already stated)