This! A question for the armchair lawyers out there. How do you think Apple will respond if it loses this case and all its appeals? I doubt they're just going to give up on the App Store and turn the keys over to someone else. I suspect the outcome will fall more in the "be careful what you wish for" category.
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Apple Seeks Early Motion to Reject Epic's Claim It's Being Denied iOS Access
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I agree. Wouldn't it be bad for Apple to allow them back in WITHOUT obeying the terms of conditions? Talk about playing favorites if that happened. It would just open up a major can of worms. "But you allowed Epic to bypass the rules".
Imagine all the money they’ve lost and are losing from not having Fortnite on the app store, plus the cost of all the lawyers being spend on them developing a platform….
You are also forgetting if there is some issue with billing, I don't go to the app developer, I go to Apple Support. I have done so several times. Some apps did not work as advertised so I contacted Apple support, spent some time discussing and eventually got a refund. ALL from Apple. Now, how do those people get their salaries?
And also, the big big BIG apps like Spotify and Netflix might be free, but count how many people download those. I have 3 devices on iOS/iPad OS and I have downloaded Netflix three times. That takes up bandwidth on Apple's side which costs money.
Once browser based gaming becomes more stable the market will change anyway so all this won't matter shortly.
All anyone needs to know about Epic is that they planned this lawsuit and a whole marketing campaign about it before they actually broke the App Store rules and had Fortnite removed.
Google also removed it from the Play Store, but on Android, they actually already have what they want from Apple which is their own direct app store on the platform. That fact alone weakens their claim of being suppressed by a monopoly.
Epic's actions are a good way of explaining to someone what it means to act in bad faith. They aren't suing because of any real injustice they have faced.
Google also removed it from the Play Store, but on Android, they actually already have what they want from Apple which is their own direct app store on the platform. That fact alone weakens their claim of being suppressed by a monopoly.
Epic's actions are a good way of explaining to someone what it means to act in bad faith. They aren't suing because of any real injustice they have faced.
not really , you can go buy a game at any store and play it. game dev's can make games as they please and distribute in brick and mortar
But they can, they can give the software to the public via the store and their V-bucks can be bought elsewhere. A quick browser based search from an Apple device will provide that answer. Hell, even asking Siri to “search the web for where I can buy V-bucks” will give you the answer and links. This results in modest friction and might deter an impulse buyer (children for example). They want to be able to bypass content control, set up their own store, set the ethics of their products on one of the biggest portable platforms. Want to sell violent games to 6 year olds, that’s ok use this alternative store; want sexualised content in your games use this alternative store. You’re a developer and want to give away an app that is full of ad tracking technology bypass the Apple store and get it here. There are times I’d like products to work differently and Apple’s rules might hinder but I’ll live with that for privacy, and payment security thanks
If Epic Fail want to the be the better role model then they should create their own, 'Epic Fail Store' with their game apps and a zero percentage cut to all the app developers in the App Store and Giggle Play Store. Epic Fail will be extremely popular with app developers. I'm sure Giggle will allow the 'Epic Fail Store' app on smart phones with Android OS. They are delusional if the think consumers like myself will decide that the Epic Fail Store is a much better and equally safe platform to buy apps from. Maybe Spotify and Epic Fail could create their own smart phone named SpotiGam Fone preloaded with bloatware apps like: Epic Fail Store, Spotify, SEos1 (operating system), the SweeneyChef AI assistant, SpotTV to binge watch all your favourite Swedish television programmes, EpicExploreNet web browser and SpotIt search engine. As a marketing gimmick, "All your Epic games come with noise cancelling, spacey sound, SPC (Spoty Lossy Codec) audio exclusively with our SpotBuds (*not included) just for an extra $2 / month premium Spotify game/music tier."
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Nobody here is being forced to make a decision to spend their money...
There is no difference at all. Apple has the same kind of ‘monopoly‘ in AppStore that Tesco in their stores. You enter Tesco, you will find cheaper Tesco branded product directly competiting with other producers on the shelves . Tesco is both the owner of the shopping platform and the maker of the competiting product. Every smartphone maker has its own AppStore: Google Play, Samsung Store, Sony, Huawei, Amazon etc. IOS has 27% market share, the rest of the mobile market belongs to Android makers.
Mom: If you eat your vegetables you can have can have ice cream.
Kid: Can I choose the amount of veggies?
Mom: No, it’s the amount I’ve put on your plate.
Kid: “Mom is baring me from eating ice cream 😭”
Kid: Can I choose the amount of veggies?
Mom: No, it’s the amount I’ve put on your plate.
Kid: “Mom is baring me from eating ice cream 😭”
As an iPhone owner, this is one of the reasons I use the platform, it is a feature...
Yup
We WANT Apple in control. Some of us want Apple MORE in control of their ecosystem and markets.
This is about the US and in the US Apple has around 60% of the mobile market with a higher percentage of the app market.
Is anyone being forced to buy/use iOS devices? Are developers being forced to develop for iOS devices?
Last I check, everyone has options and nobody is forced into anything.
This will go on for years anyway, and won't end with this EPIC law suit.
The one who loses here will take it to the Supreme Court anyway.
Additionally many countries incl. the EU are preparing to control Apple monopoly in their countries.
Sooner or later Apple will have obey the rules and open their platform, there is no way around.
Google already announced to make it easier to install ThirdParty AppStores on Android, at least they aren't that stupid and recognized that they will have obey to what's coming.
The one who loses here will take it to the Supreme Court anyway.
Additionally many countries incl. the EU are preparing to control Apple monopoly in their countries.
Sooner or later Apple will have obey the rules and open their platform, there is no way around.
Google already announced to make it easier to install ThirdParty AppStores on Android, at least they aren't that stupid and recognized that they will have obey to what's coming.
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Well, with all these documents publicly proving their dirty tactics, their mask has fallen already.
They will have to obey and adapt.
Not really,
Google is smarter than Apple on that one by allowing sideloading.
It has a lot of security drawbacks but it protects them from such lawsuit with a killer argument:
"You can still distribute your app yourself on our platform without using our store."
Even if the majority of the users will never install something outside the store, the argument still holds in the court.
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