Apple Seeks to Add Samsung Galaxy S4 to U.S. Patent Lawsuit

[samcraig]

So the attitude has nothing to do with it, since we both stated things as facts, and you only reply to me because you agree with him, even though he does not have a time machine either and stated things as facts. So you don't have any issue with people conjecturing without actual proof, yet you accused me for exactly that. Fine, I can't expect people to be consistent.

And how do you know that I'm just a consumer? And how does "being in tech world" makes any difference unless your area is exactly manufacturing costs of displays? Any developer would be technically someone in the tech world yet would have no clue about this issue including many people working for Apple. Are you working for a display manufacturer? If so, fine. Give me some details which I can't google myself about the manufacturing costs about different display sizes of 2007.


Otherwise, you have no more clue than anyone of us whether or not you are in the tech world.

How do you want me to respond to the other person. Seems like a waste of bandwidth to argue against someone I agree with. Should I have posted something like "I agree with you - but since we don't have a time machine we can't say this is true" ? Who does that?

I never said YOU were just a consumer. Are you trying to put words in my mouth?

/done discussing. I'm not going to go granular on the conversation with you. You have your opinion, I have mine. We can leave it at that.

 

[pirg]

Well considering you changed your phone four times in less then a year, I'd say you don't know what you want?

Anyway.....

Samsung may just as well automatically add all its devices to the Apples lawsuit. And I can't find anywhere the reason Apple has for adding the S4? It all seems, well that new S4 is going to take our sales so let's add it to our lawsuit! Both sides are pathetic but Apple the most as they should have stopped at the S2, but no they just want to remove their competition anyway they can.

IOS7 better be a friggin revolution!

What's going to happen to apple if ios7 isn't revolutionary though? A couple of people on a forum will say they don't innovate and millions upon millions will continue to buy their products.

That being said, I hope it's revolutionary too.

 

[samcraig]

What's going to happen to apple if ios7 isn't revolutionary though? A couple of people on a forum will say they don't innovate and millions upon millions will continue to buy their products.

That being said, I hope it's revolutionary too.

I think Apple has an interesting road ahead. Ive will no doubt make visual changes - and of course backend/experience changes as well - but they could easily piss off their users more than Google/Android could. Why? Because Apple hasn't really changed their look and feel too much since 2007. I am not saying there aren't a ton of new features, etc. But hopefully you know what I mean.

Google (as an example) has changed their OS a LOT over time. So while some will argue that's a negative - that there always seems to be a learning curve, etc - it's expected. It's the "norm" if that makes sense. This is not the case for Apple.

I'm not saying which is better or worse. Just making a comment that I think Apple has more potential for "backlash" over whatever they do that changes the way people use their phones. I do hope iOS 7 is great and that at the very least they revisit their core apps and menu structures and provide a better experience. I imagine they will. But we'll see.

 

[Toltepeceno]

Great analogy (sarcasm)

Take a look at how the size of steering wheels changed over the years, oh wait, they didn't, because they are dependant on the length of the human arm.

Oh wait, they did change. Great analagy, steering wheels are a lot smaller than they used to be. LMFAO

http://www.flickr.com/photos/supe2009/5063016076/

Suicide knobs were very popular due to the size

http://www.sharantiques.com/web/suicideknobs.html

And We are talking about hands like with phones and baseball gloves unless you use yours with your arms.

 

[I WAS the one]

the argument is invalid

What? LMAO

 

[iBug2]

Oh wait, they did change. Great analagy, steering wheels are a lot smaller than they used to be. LMFAO

A lot smaller? No they aren't. Steering wheels always had different sizes, trucks have larger wheels, racecars have smaller wheels but all sizes still adhered to the same standard, that one man can use it with both arms. No steering wheel ever made is outside of that standard.

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And We are talking about hands like with phones and baseball gloves unless you use yours with your arms.

I use the phone with one hand and there's a limit to how big a phone can get before one handed use is impossible. I can't use a 5" phone with one hand. So it's outside of the standard, and my hands are fairly average, not especially small.

Manufacture a baseball glove that is so large that 2 hands can fit into it, and try to sell that one.

 

[irDigital0l]

So both Apple and Samsung got bored of reading forum posts and found a new hobby: throwing money at each other.

 

[antonis]

What pattern?

Thought it was clear.

Regardless, I refer to a "pattern" that makes some judges becoming consultants to companies they have involved with, on their normal job, with their cases. It seems that money can buy justice in some cases - or at least a part of it.

As a citizen that I might find myself in a court someday, I don't feel comfortable knowing that this is actually happening - no matter what the result between apple and samsung will be. These companies have lots of money to spent anyway. If you do feel comfortable knowing this, well, to each his own.

 

[Oletros]

Thought it was clear.

Regardless, I refer to a "pattern" that makes some judges becoming consultants to companies they have involved with, on their normal job, with their cases. It seems that money can buy justice in some cases - or at least a part of it.

As a citizen that I might find myself in a court someday, I don't feel comfortable knowing that this is actually happening - no matter what the result between apple and samsung will be. These companies have lots of money to spent anyway. If you do feel comfortable knowing this, well, to each his own.

Are you really accusing the judge of bein bribed by Samsung. Do you really know what the case has been about, who did the first ruling, what that judge did or do you jkust write this just because it was not good fo Apple?

That judge was not the one that did the ruling

 

[Toltepeceno]

A lot smaller? No they aren't. Steering wheels always had different sizes, trucks have larger wheels, racecars have smaller wheels but all sizes still adhered to the same standard, that one man can use it with both arms. No steering wheel ever made is outside of that standard.

Steering wheels are several inches smaller, I was around and driving when they were huge on cars. My first car was a 1966 galaxy 500 (drove a lot of cars back then) and they were much larger, many were 17". Suicide knobs were the norm as they were so huge. I'm sure WAY before your time. Modern cars are closer to 14". They have not adhered to the same standard.

Not that this means a lot, just adding it:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/05/incredible-shrinking-steering-wheel

Baseball Gloves:

Look at these old baseball gloves.

http://www.baseballglovecollector.com/gallery/index.php

Modern baseball gloves.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bas...S8qAHG0YHgDA&ved=0CDcQsAQ4Cg&biw=1454&bih=704

Old baseball gloves also fit tighter in the hand, modern ones do not. We had some old baseball gloves where I went to school, big difference inside AND out.

 

[antonis]

Are you really accusing the judge of bein bribed by Samsung. Do you really know what the case has been about, who did the first ruling, what that judge did or do you jkust write this just because it was not good fo Apple?

That judge was not the one that did the ruling

I'm just highlighting a fact that seems to be happening and I'm not comfortable with. I don't care for the result, I'm not Apple's shareholder or anything. I just don't find it ethical for a judge to get hired by a company that a little earlier was judging a case for. Either it is apple vs samsung, or oracle vs microsoft or whatever, that's not my idea of am unbiased judge.

We all know the world we live into. These companies would not hesitate to do anything to win a multi-million (or billion) case. A judge that is hired for consulting by a company right after the case is finished (where the judge participates) doesn't look good, not good at all. It would be the same if it was the other way around, and this judge was working for apple. That's all I'm saying.

But I think we are gone off topic here.

 

[iBug2]

Steering wheels are several inches smaller, I was around and driving when they were huge on cars. My first car was a 1966 galaxy 500 (drove a lot of cars back then) and they were much larger, many were 17". Suicide knobs were the norm as they were so huge. I'm sure WAY before your time. Modern cars are closer to 14". They have not adhered to the same standard.

Not that this means a lot, just adding it:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/05/incredible-shrinking-steering-wheel

Baseball Gloves:

Look at these old baseball gloves.

http://www.baseballglovecollector.com/gallery/index.php

Modern baseball gloves.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bas...S8qAHG0YHgDA&ved=0CDcQsAQ4Cg&biw=1454&bih=704

Old baseball gloves also fit tighter in the hand, modern ones do not. We had some old baseball gloves where I went to school, big difference inside AND out.

Well we keep arguing around irrelevant stuff. My point was, as you know, that a steering wheel is designed for 2 hand use, and no steering wheel is made that you cannot comfortably use with 2 hands. And you may be right, that the average steering wheel in consumer cars may have decreased, but even today there are different sizes of wheels, each designed for different type of vehicles but all are comfortable to use with 2 hands. It can't be bigger or smaller than that. Maybe there are better examples to make my point, for example tennis racket grips. Their size and thickness is dependant on the hand size of a human, so they don't change much either. There are tons of standards of sizes which are dependant on anatomical make up of people, and they won't ever change drastically unless people's dimensions change in the future. And I look at phones in a similar way. Sure technology changes way too fast nowadays and probably in 15 years we won't be using any phones anymore, but right now, for 1 handed use, 5" is a no go.

 

[Toltepeceno]

Well we keep arguing around irrelevant stuff. My point was, as you know, that a steering wheel is designed for 2 hand use, and no steering wheel is made that you cannot comfortably use with 2 hands. And you may be right, that the average steering wheel in consumer cars may have decreased, but even today there are different sizes of wheels, each designed for different type of vehicles but all are comfortable to use with 2 hands. It can't be bigger or smaller than that. Maybe there are better examples to make my point, for example tennis racket grips. Their size and thickness is dependant on the hand size of a human, so they don't change much either. There are tons of standards of sizes which are dependant on anatomical make up of people, and they won't ever change drastically unless people's dimensions change in the future. And I look at phones in a similar way. Sure technology changes way too fast nowadays and probably in 15 years we won't be using any phones anymore, but right now, for 1 handed use, 5" is a no go.

So now you are twisting what you said about steering wheels and gloves.

Your observations fit YOU, not everyone. I do not have child hands and the iphone is hard for me to do anything on. I'm not the only person that feels that way. I have to use a stylus to type on an iphone to keep from hitting 2 keys, that is far from comfortable. For me 4.5-5 period. How do you think you speak for everyone? I think they can build phones for the baby hands crowd AND the rest of us. It reminds me of when I spent a lot of time in the philippines in the 70's and all bra's were the same cup size. Not everyone is the same size.

My wife is 5'2" and has small hands, I am over 6 feet and have large hands. Who in their right mind would think we would be comfortable with the right size?

Ever notice there are different glove sizes? If everyone's hands were the same there would be no need.

 

[iBug2]

So now you are twisting what you said about steering wheels and gloves.

Actually I haven't said anything about gloves, that was you. And I'm not twisting anything. Like I said, steering wheels have a standard size. No steering wheel ever made cannot be used by 2 hands. There's no steering wheel with 4" diameter, nor ever will be outside of a toy car. Every size of a steering wheel can always be used by 2 hands, by any person out there, whether they are smaller or larger than average.

Your observations fit YOU, not everyone. I do not have child hands and the iphone is hard for me to do anything on. I'm not the only person that feels that way. I have to use a stylus to type on an iphone to keep from hitting 2 keys, that is far from comfortable. For me 4.5-5 period. How do you think you speak for everyone? I think they can build phones for the baby hands crowd AND the rest of us. It reminds me of when I spent a lot of time in the philippines in the 70's and all bra's were the same cup size. Not everyone is the same size.

My wife is 5'2" and has small hands, I am over 6 feet and have large hands. Who in their right mind would think we would be comfortable with the right size?

Ever notice there are different glove sizes? If everyone's hands were the same there would be no need.

Did I say I speak for everyone? And I don't have child hands. My hands are between mid to large actually.

But if iPhone is hard to handle for you, then you have reasonably large hands, so further from the average than I am. So you may need a larger phone. But Apple produces only one size. And I bet 3.5" fits more people than 5" does. So if they are going to cater to one size, that size will be the most "average" one. You can bet that if Apple decides to go the 5" route while ditching the 3.5" altogether, for every "why doesn't Apple make a bigger phone, I'm jumping into Android bandwagon" threads you see here today, you will see 10 times more threads like "Why isn't Apple doing a smaller phone, I'm jumping into Android bandwagon" ones.

 

[Toltepeceno]

Actually I haven't said anything about gloves, that was you. And I'm not twisting anything. Like I said, steering wheels have a standard size. No steering wheel ever made cannot be used by 2 hands. There's no steering wheel with 4" diameter, nor ever will be outside of a toy car. Every size of a steering wheel can always be used by 2 hands, by any person out there, whether they are smaller or larger than average.

"Manufacture a baseball glove that is so large that 2 hands can fit into it, and try to sell that one."

What was that?????

It's also ridiculous. Make a glove that fits small hands and try selling it to a big hands person. If you have not noticed baseball gloves are made to fit the largest hands.

Who's talking about 4" steering wheels? I said steering wheels have gotten smaller and you said they have not. They absolutely have and now smaller IS the standard size. Don't you get it? The standard size was larger, but now it's smaller. The wheel size itself has nothing to do with arm length anyway, distance of the seat to the wheel does.

You move the seat and tilt the steering wheel for different arm lengths. The point is that standard sizes have changed like the iphone did from the 4s and 5. Do you think they will be going back to 3.5? Why do you think they have not ditched it? Better stay with a 4s.

The iphone has gone from 3.5" to 4". Do you really think in a year or 2 it won't be 4.5? I bet it will.

It's not about them making one size for everyone, everyone is different and different sizes would be best.

Oh, a 3.5 is a fit for tiny hands. My 10 year old is an example, my 5' 2" small hand wife prefer's bigger.

 

[apolloa]

What's going to happen to apple if ios7 isn't revolutionary though? A couple of people on a forum will say they don't innovate and millions upon millions will continue to buy their products.

That being said, I hope it's revolutionary too.

Not sure about wanting something revolutionary, but I certainly want something a bit different and fresh and new. Something evolutionary and damn good and also cut down on all the animation so it's faster too.

 

[pirg]

Not sure about wanting something revolutionary, but I certainly want something a bit different and fresh and new. Something evolutionary and damn good and also cut down on all the animation so it's faster too.

Evolutionary is fine with me too. I want a change in ios but the average consumer doesn't care or know.

 

[apolloa]

Evolutionary is fine with me too. I want a change in ios but the average consumer doesn't care or know.

Well a fair few average consumers have jumped ship, but that seems to be for the bigger screen too. I think if they pull this off they will win some people back, but not all because of the screen sizes.

If Apple got rid off, or gave us control over the speeds of the animations in iOS like the cydia tweak Accelerate does:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl0bdo-K7iQ

Then your iPhone would certainly feel like a new device.

 

[pirg]

Well a fair few average consumers have jumped ship, but that seems to be for the bigger screen too. I think if they pull this off they will win some people back, but not all because of the screen sizes.

If Apple got rid off, or gave us control over the speeds of the animations in iOS like the cydia tweak Accelerate does:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl0bdo-K7iQ

Then your iPhone would certainly feel like a new device.

It's weird I never really had an issue with animation speed, I'll probably notice it now that you mentioned it but coming from android, I do miss the customization. What I'm looking for in ios7 is more control over the aesthetics.

I'm not of the crowd that if ios7 doesn't make my coffee for me, that apple is doomed. That's beyond dumb. Nor do I want a 5 inch screen.

I don't see myself going back to android because for me the cons outweigh the pros, but I would like ios to be a little more exciting

 

[Imhotep397]

When you lock down and monopolize ideas, which the current system allows corporations to do, it curtails innovation entirely.

Buy a Windows phone...no infringement there.

 

[otismotive77]

apple should be busy making better products rather than suing other companies with better phones.

 

[Ambush083]

Looking at your signature, you sure seem to like buying Apple's products!

I DO I DO! Hehe. Look I just want them to do something incredible, but to me they've only done the bare minimal. I do get excited watching keynotes and see the engineering aspect, but if that's all it is I don't care anymore. I want features. MORE FEATURES. That's why I jailbroke, it's hella fun to customize to me. I don't know I mean it's the same boring home screen since it's release and previous Android distros already had a lot of these basic features that Apple touts as new. And yes I know the implementation is good, but come on seriously such a mediocre effort IMO. We are paying top dollar give us more you greedy bastards. I mean hell they weren't even paying taxes on how many billions they made overseas? I'm keeping a high stadnard for a high paid company I see no harm in that.

 

[sseaton1971]

I DO I DO! Hehe. Look I just want them to do something incredible, but to me they've only done the bare minimal. I do get excited watching keynotes and see the engineering aspect, but if that's all it is I don't care anymore. I want features. MORE FEATURES. That's why I jailbroke, it's hella fun to customize to me. I don't know I mean it's the same boring home screen since it's release and previous Android distros already had a lot of these basic features that Apple touts as new. And yes I know the implementation is good, but come on seriously such a mediocre effort IMO. We are paying top dollar give us more you greedy bastards. I mean hell they weren't even paying taxes on how many billions they made overseas? I'm keeping a high stadnard for a high paid company I see no harm in that.

OK... Fair enough!

 

[oliversl]

Thats why they are a better tech company.

They also built the tallest skyscraper in the world.


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