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Apple Seeks to Add Samsung Galaxy S4 to U.S. Patent Lawsuit

beosound3200 said:
buy a computer?

you dont see me buying a car for hauling 20t of sand, - photoshop on a mobile phone.

until we get expandable screens, mobile phones are 'exchange information' and 'poor media consumption devices' at best, even with 5 inches screens.

so why try to build a phone around a computer paradigm when the results will always be poor. lets build it around 'perfect mobile phone paradigm' with occasional semi-computer use, like iPhone for example.

the fundamental difference between the computer paradigm and perfect mobile phone paradigm is that you HOLD YOUR PHONE IN YOUR HAND, hence the size of the palm is not a limiting factor, its a FUNDAMENTAL FACTOR around which a mobile phone is built.

5 inch screens? you get slightly better media consumption (from ****-poor to piss-poor) in exchange for lack of one-hand operability, a large table in your pocket and an idot-aura when using it as a phone on your ears (some of us still make calls, believe it or not)

but come on people, media consumption on a 5 inch screen? 6 inch? get a grip, and buy a computer with real screen, or at least a tablet. i wont even touch media production.

btw, theres a reason for differentiation. mobile phones cant be computers. both are built for different uses and if you mix them, you always get mediocre results, thats why they are separated. remember? differentiation? thats what got us here in the first place, from the stone age, i mean. and just to make sure, difference between computers and mobile phones is solely the size, both are basically computers. question just popped in my mind, why not make phones like imacs with 27 inch screens? it would be awesome to watch movies on that.

and if you really insist on super-mobile devices with larger screens, check out the tablets.

thank god for apple's authoritarianism

ps. please, reread the bolded statement at least twice

and no hard feelings, im just killing time :)
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I guess you missed the part where your god said "Think different".
 
lilo777 said:
Size of the palm is just one aspect. Who said that palm size should be the limiting factor here? We use, say, laptops that are much bigger than palms just fine.
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With one hand? Sorry, I use my laptop with 2 hands while it stands on some surface.



lilo777 said:
* Technical feasibility. In 2007 the battery on a 5' screen phone would last an hour, the phone would cost $2000 and graphics would be extremely slow.
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All wrong. When you make a bigger phone, you have a bigger case, which can hold a bigger battery. So probably in 2007 a 5" screen phone would last about the same as a 3.5'" one same as in 2013 a 5" screen phone more or less lasts about the same as a 3.5" one.

lilo777 said:
* What we use the phones for. Nowadays we use them for anything but phone calls. We use them mostly as computers and people prefer to have decent (size wise) screens for their computers.
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And they can get a tablet for that. I use my phone with one hand, and I don't want a bigger one. I have my iPad for two handed mobile use already. There's nothing about the phone which makes me want to go bigger. So when you say "we", you don't include me and many others.

lilo777 said:
So, sure, those who use phone mostly for calling will prefer smaller phones. Others (the majority) want bigger phones.
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I use my phone for mostly web browsing and as an iPod. Calling, I do once or twice a week. So, again dead wrong.
 
tshrimp said:
Come on Apple. Do you realize even your faithful followers are now getting tired of this?
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I am a faithful follower and i am NOT tired of this. I want Apple to defend each and every one of its intellectual property rights...because I believe IP rights encourage innovation and thievery limits it.
 
iBug2 said:
All wrong. When you make a bigger phone, you have a bigger case, which can hold a bigger battery. So probably in 2007 a 5" screen phone would last about the same as a 3.5'" one same as in 2013 a 5" screen phone more or less lasts about the same as a 3.5" one.
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Sorry - but you apparently don't know much about technology based on your comment above.

It's not just battery life and/or size. It's about the actual technology and whether or not a 5" screen back in 2007 was cost-"effective" (IE - wouldn't blow up the price for the consumer to the tunes of hundreds).
 
Of course they are who cares. These lawsuits are old and unnecessary at this point the people who will buy an android device will buy one period.
 
People that own iPhone knock-off phones shouldn't complain about the company getting it's feet held to the fire.
 
Imhotep397 said:
People that own iPhone knock-off phones shouldn't complain about the company getting it's feet held to the fire.
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The S4 is not a knock off iPhone. A coworker has one and I can honestly say that I see the appeal, it thiner, lighter, more modern looking and a lot more responsive than even the iPhone 5 is.

I can understand why Apple would be upset about it, but to say that it's violating their patents? I don't think so.
 
Renzatic said:
When you lock down and monopolize ideas, which the current system allows corporations to do, it curtails innovation entirely.
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But until they fix the system shouldn't companies try to protect what they think is an infringement of their IP
 
pirg said:
But until they fix the system shouldn't companies try to protect what they think is an infringement of their IP
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It's a yes, a no, and a maybe. Everyone has the right to patent an implementation of an idea, and fight for it if it's infringed upon. The problem is the current system allows these companies, as in Apple, Samsung, MS, all of them, to sue over the most minute things imaginable. It's a massive waste of time and money, and it's done more these days as a means to a temporary competitive advantage, and less about protecting their ideas

We're talking about a system that allowed Creative to sue Apple for hundreds of millions over a computer generated alphabetized list.

A system that allowed Apple to patent the very concept of screen bounce, not just their software implementation thereof.

A system that allows trolls like Lodsys to sue everyone from large corporations down to individual programmers over patents that basically cover what the internet already does...but in apps.

So yes, everyone does have the right to sue over IP infringement. But I also expect them to be responsible about it. Which, unfortunately, none of them are.
 
Renzatic said:
It's a yes, a no, and a maybe. Everyone has the right to patent an implementation of an idea, and fight for it if it's infringed upon. The problem is the current system allows these companies, as in Apple, Samsung, MS, all of them, to sue over the most minute things imaginable. It's a massive waste of time and money, and it's done more these days as a means to a temporary competitive advantage, and less about protecting their ideas

We're talking about a system that allowed Creative to sue Apple for hundreds of millions over a computer generated alphabetized list.

A system that allowed Apple to patent the very concept of screen bounce, not just their software implementation thereof.

A system that allows trolls like Lodsys to sue everyone from large corporations down to individual programmers over patents that basically cover what the internet already does...but in apps.

So yes, everyone does have the right to sue over IP infringement. But I also expect them to be responsible about it. Which, unfortunately, none of them are.
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Could not have said it better! Cheers!

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samcraig said:
Sorry - but you apparently don't know much about technology based on your comment above.

It's not just battery life and/or size. It's about the actual technology and whether or not a 5" screen back in 2007 was cost-"effective" (IE - wouldn't blow up the price for the consumer to the tunes of hundreds).
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Yup, AFAIK, nobody could afford the HTC Advantage in 2007. I remember wanting one until I saw the price. I believe it was about $1000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Advantage_X7500
 
Renzatic said:
It's a yes, a no, and a maybe. Everyone has the right to patent an implementation of an idea, and fight for it if it's infringed upon. The problem is the current system allows these companies, as in Apple, Samsung, MS, all of them, to sue over the most minute things imaginable. It's a massive waste of time and money, and it's done more these days as a means to a temporary competitive advantage, and less about protecting their ideas

We're talking about a system that allowed Creative to sue Apple for hundreds of millions over a computer generated alphabetized list.

A system that allowed Apple to patent the very concept of screen bounce, not just their software implementation thereof.

A system that allows trolls like Lodsys to sue everyone from large corporations down to individual programmers over patents that basically cover what the internet already does...but in apps.

So yes, everyone does have the right to sue over IP infringement. But I also expect them to be responsible about it. Which, unfortunately, none of them are.
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Yeah these lawsuits are idiotic I agree, but much like the tax avoidance that all these companies practice, it's not illegal to do so and ultimately the courts decide. Apple is taking a risk by suing as has been shown with some of their patents being invalidated so there might even be a benefit to all these cases.
 
iBug2 said:
So normal is dependant on the "era" and not on the size of the human palm?
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Take a look at how baseball gloves changed through the years. They used to be smaller.

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Imhotep397 said:
People that own iPhone knock-off phones shouldn't complain about the company getting it's feet held to the fire.
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Iphone knock off's? The S4 has a miniature screen with a boring os? I thought it was a lot like the s3.

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cmwade77 said:
The S4 is not a knock off iPhone. A coworker has one and I can honestly say that I see the appeal, it thiner, lighter, more modern looking and a lot more responsive than even the iPhone 5 is.

I can understand why Apple would be upset about it, but to say that it's violating their patents? I don't think so.
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Well said. I really don't see anything in common unless it's back to the rectangle with rounded corners argument.
 
iBug2 said:
They are not spending any time in court, their lawyers are. You want their lawyers to develop phones?
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Well maybe their lawyers should develop phones, cause Apple sure aren't doing it!

(and who do you think instructs their lawyers ... wether its Apple or it's lawyers or both in court, it's still Apple suing Samsung when they've better things to do ... haven't they????)
 
Renzatic said:
When you lock down and monopolize ideas, which the current system allows corporations to do, it curtails innovation entirely.
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Innovation comes from the expenditure of capital, human and otherwise. If I can't ensure getting an adequate return on that investment due to others using my innovation, without compensation, I will not expend those resources. If those resources are not expended, innovation suffers.

Trampling on intellectual property rights gives a one-time, short-term boost to innovation as others, who are incapable of innovating, profit for the labor of those creative few. But eventually, the creative few, will pack up their belongs and go tend their own little gardens. And we the public will be left with stale, lagging technology.

But who is John Galt anyway?
 
My wife and I just moved carriers. I was using the Nexus 4, but as the usual MO with Android I ran into GPS issues. So I bought an iPhone 5 and really can't say I miss Android at all. A few features here and there, but I really, really like the stability on iOS .. the app quality is also higher from my point of view. Never thought I would be back either (on my phone).

My wife has a S4, loves it. She loves to customize the phone (different fonts, nothing that requires rooting) and would be happy to have an iPhone if she could do these things (with out jailbreaking).

Come on Apple, give some options to customize in iOS7 so I can bring my wife over.
 
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