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Apple Seemingly Killed Siri AI Waitlist Workaround in macOS 27 Beta 2

I used the terminal trick, but it looks like I still have it after updating to Dev Beta 2. My guess is that either I was already approved for it since I applied day one, or because I have already submitted Siri AI Feedback.
 
svish said:
Have not installed the beta. Don't think the waiting list will lead to long waiting time once the final version is released in September. I remember my waiting time to be around 10 minutes for Apple Intelligence when it was launched in 2024.
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Yeah, this waiting list is about monitoring and studying PCC load patterns under controlled conditions. Just like it was 2 years ago.
 
one more said:
I find it quite pathetic for Apple to even need to have a waitlist to try a beta of something they were drumbeating over the last two years, aka Apple Intelligence.

I mean, people wanting to try it out right now (developers and hard-core Apple enthusiasts), is just a tiny portion of the numbers that will be eligible once iOS 27 is out for everybody this September. And this is discounting lots of people in the EU and China.

If Apple and Google together cannot manage to roll it out in a decent way, why even bother to promise and half-deliver, again?
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While you're completely afforded your opinion, but this take is really weird to me. First off it's a developer, beta, not a public beta, so they are very specifically limiting who can get on it so it can be reliable for the developers that are using it to improve their software. Furthermore, what part of beta are you unsure about? Because it's not finalized, it's not ready to scale for everybody, so there has to be a waitlist or else the very support structure of what Apple Intelligence is built on could crash while they're still working on it — Beta DOES mean not done yet. Lastly, this is not the same Apple Intelligence that was promised two years ago, the entire architecture was completely rewritten because they realized (surprise surprise) that their old model wouldn't scale. It's well documented that the previous underpinnings of Siri was unable to support what Apple Intelligence is today, nor could have supported a heavy lifting LLM, which is why they didn’t deliver then when they promised. Why would they mess it up now for a bunch of people who just want to poke it with a stick before they are ready? You will get a chance when the Public Beta comes out.

The sense of entitlement people can have is sometimes astounding. They aren’t half delivering, it’s still in Beta. if you aren’t a developer, just chill out, man. If it’s like this in August or Sept, by all means — you would have a point but right now? They don’t owe you access to a beta — they owe you a properly working software/service upon release — limiting access to support scalability during beta is a perfectly reasonable decision before the public beta hits.
 
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one more said:
I find it quite pathetic for Apple to even need to have a waitlist to try a beta of something they were drumbeating over the last two years, aka Apple Intelligence.

I mean, people wanting to try it out right now (developers and hard-core Apple enthusiasts), is just a tiny portion of the numbers that will be eligible once iOS 27 is out for everybody this September. And this is discounting lots of people in the EU and China.

If Apple and Google together cannot manage to roll it out in a decent way, why even bother to promise and half-deliver, again?
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What an odd take. First, "hard-core Apple enthusiasts" aren't relevant for a developer beta, which is focused on enabling developers to start adopting the new APIs etc.

Second, from an engineering standpoint, a waitlist is absolutely required when you've got developer betas that just anyone can (and does) install even though they're not developers. In this case, just as it was two years ago, the waitlist is actually all about provisioning your Apple ID for access to the Siri models in the PCC. In order to ensure a smooth launch in the fall, Apple needs to understand exactly how real-world use puts loads on the servers, and tune the algorithms that spin up more physical hardware, etc. ‬ ‪This is their only opportunity to get these measurements under controlled conditions.

In order to be able to have a smooth rollout in the fall, this is absolutely necessary, and, it would be irresponsible to do it any other way. Unless, of course, they were to make developer betas only available to actual developers, and even better, move them to being under NDA.

By the way, Apple Intelligence was rolled out in the Fall of 2024, on schedule, and has been continually improved ever since. If you were a developer, or even just watched the relevant WWDC and additional Developer sessions over the last two years, you'd know that.
 
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rp2011 said:
I am sure everyone will eventually get used to allowing their entire lives on their computer get indexed for AI and anyone else to more easily go through and sift through the entirety of your life on your computer. lol. Gotta admit it feels a little awkward for some reason. That "back of your head" feeling of it. The "should I really"
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Yes, you should really use question marks and punctuation. It would make your posts easier to read.

About your personal data: If the nefarious Apple corporation would have wanted to surreptitiously siphon your data from your computer, they could have done so ever since the advent of the internet. The point of the local AI is that the data doesn't leave your devices. But if you don't want that, nobody is forcing you to use Siri AI.
 
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Smartuser said:
Yes, you should really use question marks and punctuation. It would make your posts easier to read.

About your personal data: If the nefarious Apple corporation would have wanted to surreptitiously siphon your data from your computer, they could have done so ever since the advent of the internet. The point of the local AI is that the data doesn't leave your devices. But if you don't want that, nobody is forcing you to use Siri AI.
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Never said anything aboutApple being a nefarious corporation. Just questioning it. This is all new to all of us after all. A bit of questioning seems appropriate.
 
rp2011 said:
Never said anything aboutApple being a nefarious corporation. Just questioning it. This is all new to all of us after all. A bit of questioning seems appropriate.
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Dropping vague hints of "lol" / "back of your head" / "should I really" implies that you're worried about what will happen. And any reasonable worry can only be based on people doing bad things.

Thinking about who has your data and how it's going to be used is very appropriate, but you didn't substantiate why anyone should be worried about Siri AI.
rp2011 said:
I am sure everyone will eventually get used to allowing their entire lives on their computer get indexed for AI and anyone else to more easily go through and sift through the entirety of your life on your computer. lol.
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I'm not allowing anyone else but Apple to index everything I have on my computer, and they're doing it in a way that only allows local access to a limited set of tools.

I fully understand that someone may not have thought about this before, but again, if Apple would have wanted to, they could have already uploaded all of my data at any point in the previous 30 years or so. The same applies to all makers of operating systems, and, before more safeguards were implemented, to many makers of software.

I don't understand why what is coming in Golden Gate would be a bridge too far.
 
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Dark_Omen said:
Don't need to. They had two years to build enough server capacity to do what they need to do.
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Yeah, heaven forbid new information be gathered to force you to question what you think know. The Siri of two years ago and the Siri of now are not the same architecture. How could they have two years to scale a system that was just rewritten, never mind partnered on for training as little as a few months ago?

It sounds like you may not know how these systems work, and moreover — how Apple is actually implementing them. This is a developer beta, not a public beta, scale is not their concern, reliability for developers is. You aren’t owed anything here.
 
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Yeah, heaven forbid new information be gathered to force you to question what you think know. The Siri of two years ago and the Siri of now are not the same architecture. How could they have two years to scale a system that was just rewritten, never mind partnered on for training as little as a few months ago?

It sounds like you may not know how these systems work, and moreover — how Apple is actually implementing them. This is a developer beta, not a public beta, scale is not their concern, reliability for developers is. You aren’t owed anything here.
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Apple knew about this change at least 6 months ago. They aren't going to suddenly get enough server capacity by September if they couldn't do it by now.
 
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Dark_Omen said:
Apple knew about this change at least 6 months ago. They aren't going to suddenly get enough server capacity by September if they couldn't do it by now.
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It’s not about “getting enough server capacity” it’s about opening up that server capacity when THAT scale isn’t their focus right now. Developers are. If you don’t think they have that capacity waiting for when they are actually at that phase you’d be mistaken. It’s all about focusing on phases of development — first internally while in alpha, then to external devs, now, to test their hooks and new code, THEN scale to accommodate stress from those consuming and not developing or contributing to code. If you are not a developer, or not an internal employee, the system isn’t set up for you yet. You are the last consideration, accept it or don’t, but it doesn’t make it any less true. It’s about how it works and it’s reliability much more so how many people can it serve because once the former is sorted, the later is low hanging fruit you just through hardware at — and as a hardware company, I think they got that sorted.
 
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Yesterday I tried to use the existing Siri. It took ten times before it responded. Each time the colored border started up, it thought for a while, and then went away without responding. Only after the tenth attempt did it respond. I’ll be very surprised if the updated Siri in iOS 27 is actually usable in the real world.
 
jln60 said:
Yesterday I tried to use the existing Siri. It took ten times before it responded. Each time the colored border started up, it thought for a while, and then went away without responding. Only after the tenth attempt did it respond. I’ll be very surprised if the updated Siri in iOS 27 is actually usable in the real world.
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It’s leaps and bounds better in results, multitasking, and context (both on screen and on device) It’s a touch slower than it was in iOS 26, but I get why as it’s not optimized for speed in this phase of development. While obviously, the device, the distance away, and the environmental sound at the time plays a major role in how well it responds, I’ve absolutely noticed a massive improvement on my phone (with the beta) than with my other devices that do not.
 
jln60 said:
Yesterday I tried to use the existing Siri. It took ten times before it responded. Each time the colored border started up, it thought for a while, and then went away without responding. Only after the tenth attempt did it respond. I’ll be very surprised if the updated Siri in iOS 27 is actually usable in the real world.
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Don't take my word for it. Do one or all of watching the WWDC keynote, statements and interviews surrounding it, videos by people who tried it out, etc. etc.
 
Smartuser said:
Don't take my word for it. Do one or all of watching the WWDC keynote, statements and interviews surrounding it, videos by people who tried it out, etc. etc.
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I’ll believe it when I use it and if it actually works for me. My experience with Siri for years has been that it is complete and utter poo. I hope Apple has fixed it, but I’m not optimistic.
 
Websnapx2 said:
It’s leaps and bounds better in results, multitasking, and context (both on screen and on device) It’s a touch slower than it was in iOS 26, but I get why as it’s not optimized for speed in this phase of development. While obviously, the device, the distance away, and the environmental sound at the time plays a major role in how well it responds, I’ve absolutely noticed a massive improvement on my phone (with the beta) than with my other devices that do not.
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The issue for me isn’t just that it is limited in its abilities. The issue for me on 26.5 is that IT SIMPLY DOES NOT WORK! Yes, I’m yelling because it’s so darn frustrating. “Hey Siri, play Beatles Essentials.” The colored border comes up, it spins for a while, then it goes away. No response. Nothing. Not even a “try again later.” Just … nothing. I say the same command a minute later and it works. Why? Why can it work the second time but not have worked the first time?

If anything, in the last year or so Siri has gotten worse. It was always limited but it didn’t used to be so bad. Now it is is horrid.

Earlier this week I literally had to ask Siri the same command ten times before I got ANY response from Siri. This is why I simply do not trust Apple to have fixed Siri. I hope I’m wrong. But for Siri to have been in production for this many years and simply not work makes me skeptical that Apple has any chance of fixing it.
 
jln60 said:
I’ll believe it when I use it and if it actually works for me. My experience with Siri for years has been that it is complete and utter poo. I hope Apple has fixed it, but I’m not optimistic.
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Dismissing all evidence to the contrary is solipsism. I could see it if it was just some canned demo in the keynote, but there's just too many people having tried this out, including people in this forum.

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The issue for me isn’t just that it is limited in its abilities. The issue for me on 26.5 is that IT SIMPLY DOES NOT WORK! Yes, I’m yelling because it’s so darn frustrating.
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Right, and I guess it's impossible to fix because other people's experiences with the new one don't count.
 
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