Yeah, I didn’t say it did. Seems better if you can’t get a copy of it.
I personally would prefer it this way and just make backups like a normal person if my data were so important.
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Apple Seemingly Unable to Recover Data From 2018 MacBook Pro With Touch Bar When Logic Board Fails
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I personally would prefer it this way and just make backups like a normal person if my data were so important.
I already pay for Carbonite.... I'd rather just pay for more icloud storage and do Time Machine online.
You can't always assume that a full backup was taken right before the laptop failed. And you can't always assume that no data has changed between the time of the last backup and the time the laptop failed.
I can already predict the next response: "Well, something is better than nothing..."
I can already predict the next response: "Well, something is better than nothing..."
That also makes no sense. If you have backups the data can just be stolen from the backup. There is no security advantage to eliminating the port.
While I’m pretty diligent when it comes to backing up my most important data and have never needed an emergency recovery, I absolutely think this will affect some people negatively. Not everyone is as dilligant or knowledgeable as the readers of this site. Unless Apple widely publicises the change, many might assume that emergency data recovery is still possible and therefore not modify their behaviour accordingly.
It’s great if the T2 chip provides automatic encryption and added security, but why didn’t they come up with another solution? Is it simply not possible?
It’s great if the T2 chip provides automatic encryption and added security, but why didn’t they come up with another solution? Is it simply not possible?
Well, okay, so the T2 gives you more encryption for your data... but now you have to leave backups all over the place anyways so...
That’s not a fair retort.
On any other machine, if the main board dies, you can recover the data (typically by simply removing the drive).
On these machines, If the main board dies, you cannot.
In the past, the point of backups was to protect against a damaged DRIVE, not against a damaged main board.
The odds of you losing data go up, because it used to only happen if the storage died. Now it happens if the storage or any other critical part of the main board dies.
Add to this that Apple is making it harder to backup by eliminating time capsules, and you have a recipe for disaster.
I used to think this as-well but now days you need so many auxiliary products for your Apple stuff. Like if you buy an iPhone X and a MacBook Pro you can't even connect them together without buying an adaptor or a new cable. You can't even connect your EarPods that come with your iPhone to your MacBook Pro so you need to buy an extra pair of headphones just for your Mac.
If you buy an iPhone X which has Wireless Charging you may want to take advantage of that so you need to buy a wireless charger. Apple doesn't sell one of those yet.
Most devices use USB-A but the laptops don't have any USB-A ports anymore. Need a dock or an adaptor. Even the power brick included with a $2500-$6500 15" MacBook Pro doesn't come with an extension cord anymore which is something most people will want and need.
To me the days of "it just works" should really be accompanied with an asterisk. The Time Capsule thing is another good example of this as is them getting rid of their own external monitors (look how many people had issues with the 5K LG display etc).
Rumours are the iPhone X 2018 editions won't even come with a Lightning to Headphone adaptor in the box. I already got AirPods so it doesn't concern me but I know there is thousands of people out there already tired of not having a 3.5mm jack. A universal standard that "just worked".
To me Apples products aren't getting easier to use, they're becoming more complicated. I need an adaptor for HDMI out, I need an SD card reader for my Camera, I need a USB-C to Lightning cable for my iPhone. I need a power brick extension cord. Ya know all this stuff you don't have to deal with if you buy another companies notebook.
Just my thoughts, I'm not flaming or hating on Apple. I don't hate their products, I love them and I buy many. I'm just disappointed that the things they think matter are not in sync with the things I think matter and that's just life, I accept that I'm not the center of the universe and things don't have to be the way I think they should be.
I truly hope that customers are told right away at purchase or actually before purchasing about this issue. Most customers don't know anything about the hardware of these machines besides if it has WIFI, the amount of RAM, the size of the hard drive, can it run [insert name of app], and how fast the machine runs. I have warned my wife to always back up and I took the initiative and gave her a 2 TB external drive. She hardly backs up. She HAD a 2008 MBP which just died and yup she hadn't backed up her data recently. Oh well she's now using a Chromebook as a temporary laptop and we're saving up for an iMac.
Even on the iMac Pro which has two removable banks of NAND flash memory on sticks you can't recover the data. And the reason is because the T2 chip embedded on the motherboard contains a secure enclave with the encryption key salt for the data.
Basically it's just like on the iPhone and iPad. You cannot get data from them either for the same reason, all of the storage is encrypted and the keys are stored in their SoC secure enclave so even desoldering the chips and reading them raw in a NAND flash chip reader won't result in any useful information.
If you want a less secure computer then you can have recoverable data in the manner you've described but that's not the angle Apple is going for.
Do you thnk Time Capsule was the most popular backup device or something?
I doubt they discontinued it because it was flying off the shelves.
There is a recovery option. It's called "restore from backup." If you're dumb enough not to have backups, it isn't Apple's fault. This is a tradeoff for security which seems to be a priority for Apple going forward.
This is why Apple has time machine (and other backup methods exist).
Relying on vendors to recover your data from failed hardware is a user failure. You'd be just as screwed if your machine was stolen. If you have no back up then you don't care about your data.
Relying on vendors to recover your data from failed hardware is a user failure. You'd be just as screwed if your machine was stolen. If you have no back up then you don't care about your data.
That's what happens when you solder everything. Everyone involved with the idea of the soldered donglebook, including those who bought it, deserve this. NO SYMPATHY when there's been so much backlash against the recent MacBooks.
You made your bed, now sleep in it
Soldered Donglebook. Classic!
If they only sell what flies off the shelves they should ditch macs, iPhone ses, the HomePod, etc.
On the other hand, they have a long history of dumping products that DO sell well, in order to make way for the next big thing.
I don’t think sales had anything to do with it. They want everyone to store everything in the cloud so they can reallocate the router group to other things.
Yeah, I suppose I should be more confident in my reporting, given the due diligence, but there are times where I'm wrong, so I hedge a bit — maybe more than I should. It's not always easy to draw the line.
Totally agree 100%, start taking responsibility for your own actions people and the likelihood of scenarios happening.
I don’t think you’re wrong, it seems that it’s identical to the iMac Pro in this regard. And why wouldn’t it be, they use the same storage subsystem (as far as I know).
The only issue I might take would be if it was reasonable to expect a response from Apple outside of regular business hours. But I’m not sure how likely they would be to respond within a 24 hour window even on a weekday, so it probably doesn’t really matter.
I wonder that rico guy, svp of hardware, have been “thinking very different” lately. “Think crap” is their new motto. Keep this soldering to tim’s behind...
To me, being a customer advocate in a situation means educating people on how to take the most responsibility possible for their data. No solution is every going to be perfect. It’s media backing up media. Your best bet is redundancy. Case in point:
Two weeks ago I reset my time capsule backups (erased and started from scratch). But first, I mounted the drive from the Finder and manually copied off some files (old Messages database so thousands of tiny files totaling 60gb+) that no longer existed on the MBP. I put them on an old 2.5” 500gb Seagate I had kicking around. So it copied and I thought nothing more of it. Last couple days I have a serious business issue pop up that I must be able to prove sonething from an iMessage from like 2 years ago. So I fire up the Seagate and start to copy and... click click click and then error -36, which is a media error. The drive is ****ed. I freeze it, I use cp command set to ignore errors, nothing works. I’m not wanting to go to drive savers and then I remember that last year I had the inkling to buy a mini safe and a 1tb WD USB drive and make an offsite back up just in case. I gave it to a close friend to keep at his business, which happens to be open until late. I just couldn’t remember if the data would be there. I go over there, get the drive and lo and behold it’s sweet creamy pristine waters of data and pure new media. All data safe. Because of redundancy and pro activity not because anybody hooked up anything to my logic board. Same argument is made for repair time: “oh apple should give me a loaner.” No, but if you haven’t factored potential downtime for a repair into your business or come to grips with the fact that technology is constantly failing, that you have purchased warranteed hardware to store data on but that the data is yours and yours alone then that, my friend, is an awakening that is not too far off.
Safe link: Master Lock Personal Safe, Set Your Own Combination Portable SafeSpace, 9-17/32 in. Wide, Gunmetal Grey, 5900D https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005K6JQXQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_65tvBbWS40PKR
$18
WD 1TB Elements Portable External Hard Drive - USB 3.0 - WDBUZG0010BBK-WESN https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06VVS7S94/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Q7tvBb7X9SVKG
$51 for 1tb
No brainer.
Two weeks ago I reset my time capsule backups (erased and started from scratch). But first, I mounted the drive from the Finder and manually copied off some files (old Messages database so thousands of tiny files totaling 60gb+) that no longer existed on the MBP. I put them on an old 2.5” 500gb Seagate I had kicking around. So it copied and I thought nothing more of it. Last couple days I have a serious business issue pop up that I must be able to prove sonething from an iMessage from like 2 years ago. So I fire up the Seagate and start to copy and... click click click and then error -36, which is a media error. The drive is ****ed. I freeze it, I use cp command set to ignore errors, nothing works. I’m not wanting to go to drive savers and then I remember that last year I had the inkling to buy a mini safe and a 1tb WD USB drive and make an offsite back up just in case. I gave it to a close friend to keep at his business, which happens to be open until late. I just couldn’t remember if the data would be there. I go over there, get the drive and lo and behold it’s sweet creamy pristine waters of data and pure new media. All data safe. Because of redundancy and pro activity not because anybody hooked up anything to my logic board. Same argument is made for repair time: “oh apple should give me a loaner.” No, but if you haven’t factored potential downtime for a repair into your business or come to grips with the fact that technology is constantly failing, that you have purchased warranteed hardware to store data on but that the data is yours and yours alone then that, my friend, is an awakening that is not too far off.
Safe link: Master Lock Personal Safe, Set Your Own Combination Portable SafeSpace, 9-17/32 in. Wide, Gunmetal Grey, 5900D https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005K6JQXQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_65tvBbWS40PKR
$18
WD 1TB Elements Portable External Hard Drive - USB 3.0 - WDBUZG0010BBK-WESN https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06VVS7S94/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Q7tvBb7X9SVKG
$51 for 1tb
No brainer.
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Just dispose these apple svp and ceo and products will improve dramatically.
1. When Apple adopted the NVM Express standard, many people thought it would bring the ability to easily upgrade or repair Mac laptops with industry standard NVMe SSD blades. But Apple co-opted the open NVMe standard just so they could use it in their proprietary soldered SSDs. Is that ethical?
2. When looking at the prices of SSD storage options for the new MacBook Pros on Apple's website, it appears that instead of charging the difference between the base storage capacity and the higher capacity, they are charging full price for the higher storage option while still charging for the existing storage. For example, when upgrading from 512 GB to 1 TB, it looks like they charge for an entire 1 TB *on top of* the existing 512 GB rather then charging the difference between the 2 capacities. Why is that?
2. When looking at the prices of SSD storage options for the new MacBook Pros on Apple's website, it appears that instead of charging the difference between the base storage capacity and the higher capacity, they are charging full price for the higher storage option while still charging for the existing storage. For example, when upgrading from 512 GB to 1 TB, it looks like they charge for an entire 1 TB *on top of* the existing 512 GB rather then charging the difference between the 2 capacities. Why is that?
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I may have misunderstood you, but you seem confused between Time Capsule and Time Machine. Time Capsule is going away, but Time Machine is very much alive.