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Oh my, it must be bad! Its Sunday night, we just came up with this, Apple didn't get back to us. Hurry. The trolls need to feed. so hungry!!!!!!

uh, maybe responsible journalism could wait for a response?
 
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Another day another problem, man Apple must really like all this news. New marketing strategy perhaps?
 
While I’m pretty diligent when it comes to backing up my most important data and have never needed an emergency recovery, I absolutely think this will affect some people negatively. Not everyone is as dilligant or knowledgeable as the readers of this site. Unless Apple widely publicises the change, many might assume that emergency data recovery is still possible and therefore not modify their behaviour accordingly.

It’s great if the T2 chip provides automatic encryption and added security, but why didn’t they come up with another solution? Is it simply not possible?
Somebody not as knowledgeable as the readers on this site would assume emergency data recovery is still possible? As opposed to some other nuanced opinion? Most users don’t understand warranties or the fact that media fails or that a logic board or LCD is but one part of a computer that if broken and then changed is identical in all ways to the initial part and does not warrant a whole computer replacement.
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That is not a valid response, since FileVault already provides full disk encryption with minimal performance hit on modern SSD drives.
What did you mean by “If someone can access your computer, they can access your data. Regardless if they remove one port or not.”
 
I guess DriveSavers would be an option and/or other recovery companies, but they are 'super-expensive' depending on how much data you wish to recover.

Pay the $$$, and get your data back (If its un-replaceable), then lean from it. I've never had a problem with loosing data, because i backup to two externals drives that are on me the entire time + also synced both drive to NAS at home.
 
Aside from the "back up your data" option that has been drilled into everyone for the past 30 years you mean?
Maybe people who bought their $4000+ MBP via one of Apple's "Special" financing options didn't have the money yet to buy an external hard drive.

Honestly, for the price of these machines (and given the massive profit margin), and for the LOW cost of iCloud storage per month, you'd think Apple would have the courtesy to just throw in an encrypted iCloud backup service for, say, 3 years or so? Great PR exercise and low cost to Apple.
 
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I find it hard to believe Apple would have done this just for the sake of having the T2 chip and "Hey Siri". I get that a customer's data is not Apple's responsibility, but if there is no recovery option then this is very bad.

backups are a customer's responsibility full stop. same as with the other SSD, with hard drives etc. there's no need for Apple to have a recovery option because data is not their responsibility, again full stop
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I love the "f**k anyone who doesn't have an up-to-the-second backup available at all times, so whatever Apple does to make data recovery more difficult is fully justified" attitude on here.

apple built in a software that will attempt a backup every hour. if you aren't using it that's not their issue
 
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backups are a customer's responsibility full stop. same as with the other SSD, with hard drives etc. there's no need for Apple to have a recovery option because data is not their responsibility, again full stop
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apple built in a software that will attempt a backup every hour. if you aren't using it that's not their issue

That's utterly silly. I may not be in a position to backup "every hour," as the entire purpose of a laptop is to *travel* with it. Even with an hourly backup happening, I could still lose critical data that was created within that one hour backup window. It is absolutely "their issue" when they choose to make access to the SSD where *my data* is stored deliberately difficult.
 
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backups are a customer's responsibility full stop. same as with the other SSD, with hard drives etc. there's no need for Apple to have a recovery option because data is not their responsibility, again full stop
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apple built in a software that will attempt a backup every hour. if you aren't using it that's not their issue
Stop apologizing for Apple
 
I don't feel sorry for people who still don't make backups to this day.

This has nothing to do with "feeling sorry" for anyone, it has to do with the fact that a customer should be able to reasonably access a perfectly functioning SSD on his expensive notebook computer after the logic board fails. This isn't about storage device failure, so it is _not_ unreasonable to expect to be able to access it after some other part of the computer fails.
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You can back up with any disk or router

What router and disk would I be accessing on a 12 hour international flight?
 
I love the "f**k anyone who doesn't have an up-to-the-second backup available at all times, so whatever Apple does to make data recovery more difficult is fully justified" attitude on here.
Yep, it's time Apple rose to the occasion. I'm not holding my breath though!

If my laptop gets stolen, I can claim it on warranty [edit: I meant insurance], but no one is giving me back my data - that's far more valuable to me than the laptop itself. Apple knows this and provides enough iCloud backup for free for its phones that - worst case - you might lose a few of your photos but keep your contacts, emails and so on. We shouldn't need to be buying external hard drives routinely (I do but I know most don't), so Apple being also a cloud hosting provider should be able to provide what is essentially about $180 retail (ie: a fraction of that wholesale) of service for 3 years cloud backup.

Of course it's just laughable that they have designed hardware that is so glued together that no one, even they, can repair it.
 
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Stop apologizing for Apple
No data is a user responsability. It is very hard to where not able to put Mac in target disk mode, motherboard must be heavily damaged. As always you need a backup.
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If your logic board is dead you can remove your hard disk and access all the data.

It’s very different.
Usually the disk die not motherboard. And even damaged motherboard usually work with target drive.
 
I find it hard to believe Apple would have done this just for the sake of having the T2 chip and "Hey Siri". I get that a customer's data is not Apple's responsibility, but if there is no recovery option then this is very bad.

If the T2 is in charge of encryping the SSD, and it is encrypted locally, that means that even if they did put a data recovery port, it wouldn't work as you couldn't decrypt the data from the SSD anyway.
This was not done for siri sake, but for data protection sake. Meaning if someone takes your 2017 notebook, he could plug the board onto a box, and collect all the data from it. With this, they can't. If its locked, its locked for good.

Regardless, you should keep a backup of your notebook anyway, and not relay on apple to protect you from data loss.
 
No data is a user responsability. It is very hard to where not able to put Mac in target disk mode, motherboard must be heavily damaged. As always you need a backup.
Listen to what you’re saying....

This is not about the internal ssd failing. It is about a component failure that is not the ssd that prevents data extraction. Why should this be the case?

This is a ****** move by Apple.
 
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Yep, it's time Apple rose to the occasion. I'm not holding my breath though!

If my laptop gets stolen, I can claim it on warranty, but no one is giving me back my data - that's far more valuable to me than the laptop itself. Apple knows this and provides enough iCloud backup for free for its phones that - worst case - you might lose a few of your photos but keep your contacts, emails and so on. We shouldn't need to be buying external hard drives routinely (I do but I know most don't), so Apple being also a cloud hosting provider should be able to provide what is essentially about $180 retail (ie: a fraction of that wholesale) of service for 3 years cloud backup.

Of course it's just laughable that they have designed hardware that is so glued together that no one, even they, can repair it.
You cannot claim a stolen computer on warranty that’s insurance.

They can repair the computer parts. Quite easily. They just aren’t modular anymore. There’s no connectors as yes more parts are integrated. This also cuts down on repair triage time. As somebody who has probably completed over 5000 modular repairs in his life time as much as I love that model from a hobbyist perspective I support the evolving integrated model for its ease and simplicity. 3 words: flat rate repair.
 
So we have an article based on assertions and assumptions and no actual confirmation.

MR, given the site’s propensity for latching onto even the most minor things, is this article just a way to drum up traffic?
Blaming MacRUMORS for reporting rumors, If this site was called MacFacts you’d have a point, but we are all here for this, rumors, speculation and some inside scoop.

This site (and all like this one) are made to make traffic, I mean it is obvious that ANY article they put is to generate traffic, I really fail to see your point.
 
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