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What do you think the iPhone is?

Seriously, it has far more computing power in it than several generations of Macs. It connects to the Internet. It runs applications. It sends and receives email. It manages personal contacts. It plays games.

It is a computer.

And it is the future of computing (or at least, the approach of increased capability and mobility in computing devices is). Apple is very savvy to push this direction.

At least we don't have to argue anymore over whether it's a smartphone... :)
 
:eek: sigh.

No date on the new mini's and my wife needs one bad (may just have to buy what is selling now).
Still ongoing rumors about an aluminum macbook or revamp macbook pro.

Although if the iphone is any indication, stick with plastic for better wifi

Looks like it will be hum drum until January, nothing to really look forward to right now.....

I expect that once they sell out their existing stock to college students by late August or so, they'll be refreshing the Macbook and possibly the Pro, and probably the iPod touch (removing the 8 GBs from the lineup and moving to higher capacity maybe?)
 
What do you think the iPhone is?

Seriously, it has far more computing power in it than several generations of Macs. It connects to the Internet. It runs applications. It sends and receives email. It manages personal contacts. It plays games.

It is a computer.

And it is the future of computing (or at least, the approach of increased capability and mobility in computing devices is). Apple is very savvy to push this direction.


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I think you missed it. He obviously wished that there were more rumours concerning macs, not the iPhone.
 
iPhone is shaping up to be quite a success if one doesn't consider it that already. Wish I could get one....thanks at&t for forgetting about us losers in VT
 
About Win Mobile - is their a new version to come out by the end of the year? Are there any showstoppers?

Noone knows what the new version of Windows Mobile is like and this is an important one for Microsoft to win as it could well be bigger than the PC. That's why you can't rule Windows Mobile out ;).

Even if they have the resources, on many many apps, spending the money to check them would be a money losing proposition. Is it really worth it for apple to spend money checking every free app, or paid apps that barely sell at all?

Apple could, but I'd much rather see them use resources on something else.

The cost of checking the applications isn't going to be particularly high. Most of it will be doable by an automated test suite.

The other half is checking the developer is legitimate which is covered by the $99/year.
 
Actually 2MP is plenty for good photos. up to 8x10 prints.

Its not the number of pixels its the QUALITY and size of the CCD. Most point and shoots now are complete garbage compared to what you could buy a few years ago because of the absurdity of packing 12mp onto a small sensor.

Sadly many people fall for the mega pixel hype. My friend still believes his 12 MegaPixel Fujifilm point and shoot is better quality than my 8MP Panasonic Lumix FZ18 because of the higher pixel count- regardless that it's got a much larger CCD and much better quality optics.

But this is the reality that people are fed when buying cameras in Curry's and Comet etc in the UK by some ill-informed idiot that's looking to boost their commission.

I actually overheard a sales assistant in Comet tell a customer that his old 6MP D-SLR was, in terms of picture quality, being superseded by £100 point-and-shoot 12MP cameras because they captured more pixels!
 
You're dumb.


Yes... I'd like tethering, a 4 MP camera and 3 months of battery life. But gods honest truth is iPhone 3g and its predecessor are amazing devices. The interface is the big win.
LOL ^^^ fanboi alert! quick, raise the rainbow flag!!!

Of course the user interface is nice, smooth, and intuitive. But the same can be said for the toilet in my home. The fact of the matter is that it's a mediocre phone, a really crappy camera, and a lousy low-end MP3 player all in one.

1. There are much more useful phones out there like quad-band non-carrier-locked GSM phones that work in 120 countries and you can swap SIM cards and use different carriers to your hearts content, including pre-paid minute sim cards - most phones in europe and asia are wide open like this.

2. There are many phones with cameras that are faaaar nicer than the garbage camera on the iPhone. Plenty of phones with Carl Zeiss optics, flash, zoom, etc. I.e. Very basic features that you would expect ANY camera to have, but sadly, the iPhone does not.

3. There are much better sounding and higher capacity MP3 phones out there as well, even ones that use a SDHC card so you can upgrade the memory capacity. Fixed capacity is lame. Charging $100 more to upgrade from 8GB to 16GB is lame. Plus the iPhone is defective in this regard - if you unplug the stereo headphones during a phone call, it will result in a dropped call. Unacceptable!

Sure it has a pretty interface, but as a phone, it's outdated and obsolete, lacking basic features that other phones have had for *years*.

iPhone? Meh, no thx. Maybe if they come up with an iphone that doesn't suck.
 
Reminds me of the story about the mother of twins boys, one a total pessimist and the other a irrepressible optimist. She asks the child psychologist what she can do to even them out a little. He tells her on their next birthday to give the pessimist all the toys he's ever wanted, and to give the optimist a big crate of manure. So that's what she does. Within five minutes the pessimist, surrounded by all of his new toys, is bored and glum. The optimist is diving head first into the crate of manure, saying "There's got to be a pony in here somewhere!"
Good one!

So are you the bored or digging type?

Me, I have something under my finger nails. :D

The interface is the big win.
This is so true.

Tried out an iPhone at my local Softbank store yesterday. It was set in Japanese. Yet, without knowing each function and being able to read everything, I was able to successfully navigate through the menus -- something I have never been able to do with a regular Japanese cell phone the first time.

Actually 2MP is plenty for good photos. up to 8x10 prints.
Agree. I took a couple of shots, then mailed them to myself. I was surprised at the quality. Plenty good for a quick shot of something.

Looking forward to having a video capability as that would be handy at times.

That's what she said! :eek:

With the new tightly packed CCDs, their is a lot more noise generated.

But it seems to be the rage, or should I say bragging rights, these days.

Canadian version of the iPhone? :eek: (*** ducks ****)
SMACK! ;)

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Succinct way of putting it. :)

The cost of checking the applications isn't going to be particularly high. Most of it will be doable by an automated test suite.

The other half is checking the developer is legitimate which is covered by the $99/year.
Agree.

I don't see this as much of an issue.

Additionally, if Apple receives bad feedback about a particular developer or application, I am sure that the developer will get to feel the Apple love.

I actually overheard a sales assistant in Comet tell a customer that his old 6MP D-SLR was, in terms of picture quality, being superseded by £100 point-and-shoot 12MP cameras because they captured more pixels!
Unfortunately, based upon the simple logic that more is better, this methodology works.

It seems in the digital age, compared to the film age, many consumers don't understand pixel noise, F-stop, Aperture, and other camera settings like we used to have to know and understand.
 
The cost of checking the applications isn't going to be particularly high. Most of it will be doable by an automated test suite.

The other half is checking the developer is legitimate which is covered by the $99/year.

Not sure about the automated checking of mobile apps, something like that would put people I know out of work. But think about it this way, when a game is tested by any other carrier or Mobile phone company they generally have to certify it on every handset it is being released on, which can be upto a hundred for some games. With Apples model you should be able to test it on just the three (if that's even necessary), this is why I'm guessing some carriers take much more than 30 percent.
 
2. There are many phones with cameras that are faaaar nicer than the garbage camera on the iPhone. Plenty of phones with Carl Zeiss optics, flash, zoom, etc. I.e. Very basic features that you would expect ANY camera to have, but sadly, the iPhone does not.


iPhone? Meh, no thx. Maybe if they come up with an iphone that doesn't suck.


Your point on the camera... um ok. The 2MP camera is not bad at all. I prefer to use it over my Sony digital with Carl Zeiss lens because for one, it's more convenient. I have my phone with me all the time and I don't have to clunk around another device. There is nothing wrong with 2MP. Like others have pointed out, people seem to think that we need massive MP in our cameras, we don't. 2MP is plenty.

Iphone? Yes please! The iPhone is the an excellent phone. 1 million users in three days seem to think so as well. Sure it has minor limitations all of which I have never needed so they don't bother me. I have never used a better phone than my iPhone. I don't miss my old Treo one bit.
 
I doubt that will happen, it's normally up to the developer to test the application either by them selves or outsourcing it, and if Apple do the testing the same as other carriers and phone companies, they'll do a simple certification check that takes about 4 hours at the most. It either passes or fails, if it fails the devs have to fix it before it will get released.

Bear in mind that other phone companies and carriers won't do full QA testing on applications, they'll just test it to make sure that it doesn't break the phone, and test it to make sure that the phone still functions as a phone.

And if you think about it if a dev releases a broken app, how long will it take for people to be aware of it and tell everyone else?

I'd imagine the tests Apple are doing on iPhone apps at the moment are cursory at best. They're only going to spot very obvious bugs. - particularly if they only test for 4 hours.

Bear in mind, the iPhone SDK is pretty powerful, and as type goes by I'd expect the apps being released to become more and more complex. There could be a lot of bugs which don't surface immediately. (For instance, can an iPhone app make changes to the contact list? If so, a bug in the app could make a mess of the contact list by the time purchasers have realised it - hell Apple's own iSync did that to my contact list!!)

I think Apple is taking the smartphone into the mass market, and your average consumer is going to be pretty annoyed if they buy an iPhone app from Apple's iTunes and it doesn't "just work".
 
My thoughts on this is just of how much a success this is turning out to be for Apple

I thought the start of this all was terrible with the shut downs & delays but they sure have come back strong

I think some people had too high expecations for some of the apps and are let down by them but I suspected that they would be a bit elementary at first

I do think the Apps will eventually start becoming better and better and will really give us a great time in doing what we need whether it is todo lists, calenders, games, etc....

A worry of mine though is the price increases I bet will happen soon
 
They could have produced twice as many and allocated all of them to the US and they would still sell out. 1 Million sold and mine is on backorder grr.

I'm not completely convinced of that. There's a balance between supply and demand that has to be struck here to generate the appropriate amount of buzz.

If everyone who wanted a new iPhone this past weekend now had one, the launch would have no steam left, no lines, no people tearing their wallets out itching to get their hands on the new techno-bling.

If Apple sells another million in the upcoming weekend, I might concede your point. We'll see. But I do think that some of the supply decisions were made with the intent of milking the launch for everything it's worth.

Not that I think this is a bad thing. It's good marketing, which (unfortunately) isn't always the best for an individual consumer.
 
Wot?

I don't know about international stores, but the US Apple Stores aren't anywhere near sold out of the iPhone. You can check each day at: http://www.apple.com/retail/iphone/availability.html

Of course, there aren't Apple stores close to everybody, so that doesn't help those customers visiting AT&T stores for purchase.

My local Apple store has over 500 iPhones in stock today, according to the rep I spoke with this morning. The availability checker confirmed that they weren't sold out of any size/color.

So because your local store has stock that reflects on the whole country? Wot?

I was lucky to get one at a mall in New Jersey. Today the whole state of NJ shows sold out. CT - sold out, Rhode Island - Sold out. NY - outside of NYC really, sold out. Texas, mostly sold out. Those are the ones I looked at. Oregon as I recall - sold out. This is from memory and I didn't do every state in the country.

AT&T stores are doing a brisk business. But it's a brisk business of taking orders, not selling phones. Their allotments are relatively small to the demand.
 
Ubuntu, Just had a look at your sig...are you having some anger issues with your neighbour????
Maybe we should order a little of Steve's special coolaid. ;)
 
1. There are much more useful phones out there like quad-band non-carrier-locked GSM phones that work in 120 countries and you can swap SIM cards and use different carriers to your hearts content, including pre-paid minute sim cards - most phones in europe and asia are wide open like this.

As you still want to be contact-able on your ordinary number then its much easier to buy another secondary phone to use with a local SIM.

3. There are much better sounding and higher capacity MP3 phones out there as well,

Um, you do realise that Apple made the most successful MP3 player of all time?
 
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Shasterball said:
I have to admit, it was a pathetic rollout, BUT the applications are fantastic. They will easily put the iPhone ahead of most other smartphones....

After looking through the App Store, and trying 15-20 of the free apps, IMHO - 90% are sheer crap.

In addition, the 2.0 software made my version 1 iPhone very s-l-o-w in regard to the keyboard touch screen. As an example, when I go to my contacts, and touch the right colin of letters, it responses extremly slow to jump the list to another letter like "L".
 
Okay...

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After looking through the App Store, and trying 15-20 of the free apps, IMHO - 90% are sheer crap.

In addition, the 2.0 software made my version 1 iPhone very s-l-o-w in regard to the keyboard touch screen. As an example, when I go to my contacts, and touch the right colin of letters, it responses extremly slow to jump the list to another letter like "L".

Not trying to be difficult here but if you tried 15-20 apps, and 90% are sheer crap as you say, then you're selection process must be really poor.

Here's mine:

Weatherbug, MLB At Bat, Dial Zero, French phrases, Italian phrases, Jott, Pandora, Baseball reference, Light, Bible, Shazam, Cube Runner, Yelp.

Now tell me how 90% of the above are crap.

You can always revert back to 1.14. Since most of the apps are crap you won't be missing anything. :p
 
Not sure if this has been covered - while 1 million sold is quite an achievement, I wonder how many of those purchased went to people who have the 1G iPhone. The reason I say this is - they all signed 2 year commitments and had 1 year left. The plans already had $20 data plans in addition to voice. For ever sale that went to a 1G iPhone owner ATT lost the opportunity to sell to someone who did not have a data plan (and to lock them in for a 2 year commitment). I am aware the old iphones may be sold and new activations made but this did make me wonder.

I would be curious to see how many 3G's went to 1G owners and what kind of effect it had financially.
 
Uh oh, noob alert.

The truth is that the iPhone camera is very good quality for a phone.

No it isn't. Don't let the RDF distort your judgment. It's true that MP aren't the be all and end all but other phones have much better lenses and sensors.

A 3.2 to 5MP is perfectly adequate.
 
RDF (Reality Distortion Field) Meaning

Reality distortion field is a term coined by Bud Tribble at Apple Inc. in 1981, to describe company co-founder Steve Jobs' charisma and its effects on the developers working on the Mac project. Later the term has also been used to refer to perceptions of his keynote (or Stevenote) by observers and devoted users of Apple computers and products.

Bud Tribble claimed that the term came from Star Trek.

In essence, RDF is the idea that Steve Jobs is able to convince people to believe almost anything with a mix of charm, charisma, bluster, exaggeration, and marketing. RDF is said to distort an audience's sense of proportion or scale. Small advances are applauded as breakthroughs. Interesting developments become turning points, or huge leaps forward. Those who use the term RDF contend that it is not an example of outright deception but more a case warping the powers of judgment. The term "audience" may refer to an individual whose attitudes Steve is intending to affect.

Often the term is used as a derogatory remark to criticize Apple's products and the effect they have on the space-time continuum.

The term has extended in industry to other managers and leaders, who try to convince their employees to become passionately committed to projects, sometimes without regard to the overall product or to competitive forces in the marketplace. It also has been used with regard to hype for products that are not necessarily connected with any one person.
 
The big sales will come when Apple do release their iPhone on Pay-As-You-Go - many of us who cannot justify high monthly tariff costs will be waiting patiently.

So, when will that be?
 
Uh oh, noob alert.

The truth is that the iPhone camera is very good quality for a phone.

Megapixels != quality

http://www.everythingicafe.com/forum/iphone/post-your-iphone-pics-4455.html

http://www.d30-images.com/dpreview/heron+1-stop.jpg

That is better than the majority of free with contract 10000 megapixel phones out there. You can cram in as many as you like and it will still look crap and grainy.

Agreed. For me, the camera has been a fantastic tool that has taken great pictures for me that many friends of mine thought were taken by a digital camera
 
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