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The big Apple fans have trouble with this because right now the iPad is not a very good laptop replacement. And it's hard to admit that your favorite company made something that's not the best in its class.

Odd, I didn't realize the iPad fell into the laptop class. :rolleyes:

Microsoft, to some, appears a tad flabby in the middle — a Chrysler Town & Country driver with a 9 p.m. bedtime. Apple, in some eyes, looks sleeker and younger — a hipster in ragtop Beemer packed with chic friends sporting mobile toys.

Bummer, if only they had thrown in "Starbucks," AidenShaw would have jumped for joy.

I wonder if Chrysler Town & Country drivers troll BMW forums to tell everyone how lame BMWs are and how the Chrysler Town & Country is where it's at? ;)
 
Armchair-experts are out on full force it seems...

im not sure if i am correct, but i think most people will hold of until its worth it.

1. people want multitasking, for skype, msn, etc (i would buy 4 as my family and i love the what they could bring.

there are very few indications that people are holding out for multitasking. Maybe techies, nut normal people could not care less. They want a foolproof and simple machine that just works. Multitasking would complicate the device, and people would be wondering why their device runs so slow...

2. Camera - Skype'ing your family from abroad while seeing them would be awesome.

yes, your family would just love having close-up view of your nose... Or maybe you would enjoy awkwardly holding the iPad in front of you?

3. Tethering. This is my most important feature and i refuse to buy ANY until this is sorted out

Most people could not care less about tethering. Try explaining the idea to a normal person, and their eyes would glaze over.

how dare they not allow me to tether the ipad to my iphone.

I love the smell of entitlement in the morning.
 
So did stores sell out of iPads on Saturday? Or can you walk into an apple store today and get one?
 
And no, sites are not scrambling to support HTML5. As much as Apple and its fanboys would want them to in order to justify Jobs' idiotic stance against FLASH, it ain't happening at any great speed.

I think you're out of touch, particularly for sites that get a lot of consumer traffic.

And that's going to leak out into other, more specialized sites.
 
This reminds me of the first days of sale for the original iPhone:

  • It sold this many! No, it sold that many! That's a bad number! That's a great number!
  • You can get another smart phone for less money and it does more!
  • It has to compete against other types of phones that people will compare to this one.
  • It's overpriced and doesn't do much!

1. OK, we'll find out soon enough when it hits a million sold, but the first few days of a new device do not tell the whole story. When something new comes along, the early adopters jump, but most people think about it and try to learn what this new thing is.

2. Yes, there are netbooks that do more than an iPad. That didn't stop the iPhone from being a runaway bestseller. It won't stop the iPad either. This is a new way of using computers.

3. Other types of phones very quickly started to become like the iPhone. Same thing will happen now. All those Chinese manufacturers making netbooks are rushing to market with iPad clones. People will be exposed to the metaphor from all corners. What Apple started, others will imitate. It will change the market just as the smart phone market changed.

4. You ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to iPad apps. It was the app market that sold the iPhone, and it will the app market that will sell the iPad. People will be lusting after this device when they see what developers can cook up for it.

Well to be fair those comments from the early iPhone days were pretty spot on objectively speaking looking back. It really didn't offer all that much that was new. Its only really good points were the webkit browser that made smartphone internet far better, and the iPod integration--other than that it was a mediocre phone, with really low storage that didn't really deserve the hype, nor that absolutely ridiculous introductory price. Can anyone really imagine today using an iPhone without 3G, without an app store? And paying $600 for an iPhone today even with those features now would be an absurd proposition for most people. The iPod part of the iPhone by now is pretty secondary to the huge impact of third party apps.
 
As bad as steve jobs has made all of the sheep believe a netbook to be, its still a far better all around solution anywhere from half to 1/4 the price. Why would someone pay nearly $1,000 on an oversized iPhone, or a tablet that doesnt do it all.

Most people just use netbooks for web browsing and e-mail. The iPad does that while being much faster and easier to use, and more portable. Plus it has a longer battery, it's not made of cheap plastic, and it has tens of thousands of apps and games that can't be installed on a netbook. I can easily see why somebody would buy a $500 iPad over a $300 netbook. I can also see why somebody who needs more than just web browsing, e-mail and mobile apps would buy a netbook over an iPad.

Edit: Forgot to mention that the iPad's display is MUCH better than any cheap netbook display I've seen.
 
The Only thing it does'nt do that I need my PC for is encoding video. Everything else it does

Browse web..Check
Read Email... Check
Read Comics..Check
Read Ebooks..Check
Play Games...Check
Plays Videos..Check
DL and Listen to Music...Check

Seriously what in gods name are people doing with their PC's, and Don't worry sites are already scrambling to do HTML5, Flash won't be an issue for long.

Working. As in, coding, website development, remote administration, serious photo editing, video editing, music creation, etc. Not all of us use our machines for only trivial, entertainment-focused tasks.
 
Had it been 600,000+ sold we'd see a different "opinion" from you. :rolleyes:

What an utterly redundant post. And for good measure you stick a eyeroll in there to intimate some sort of intellectual superiority. We all would've taken notice if they'd sold that number. But they didn't. The world didn't change, there's just 300k more people in it with some over-priced, under-powered technology at their gullible fingertips. Hopefully this circus will now move on and us MBP fanboys can get our hands on some truely "magical" hardware
 
Very well said.

I also can't overemphasize the word squeeze.' Not laptop replacement. No. It's a laptop squeezer.

It's just like how laptops squeezed desktops. The Macbook has totally won the fight over the desktops, right? Apple laptop sales keep going up and up while desktops are only slowly crawling up.

The laptop has squeezed the desktop. But they still sell a lot of iMacs, right?

Same thing here. Just because the iPad will eventually outgrow the Macbook market it doesn't mean Macbooks are going away.

That's why all these people argue against the fact that the iPad will replace the laptop. "It makes no sense!" they say. Well, yes. Because that's not what's going to happen. Not replace. Squeeze.
 
Armchair-experts are out on full force it seems...



there are very few indications that people are holding out for multitasking. Maybe techies, nut normal people could not care less. They want a foolproof and simple machine that just works. Multitasking would complicate the device, and people would be wondering why their device runs so slow...



yes, your family would just love having close-up view of your nose... Or maybe you would enjoy awkwardly holding the iPad in front of you?



Most people could not care less about tethering. Try explaining the idea to a normal person, and their eyes would glaze over.



I love the smell of entitlement in the morning.

The "up your nose" excuse is tired and stale. It's a problem easily solved by the Apple case or any of a large number of 3rd party cases, a dock, or propping the thing up on something. There's no rule requiring anyone to put the thing on their lap while videoconferencing.
 
They're doing those things you mentioned...concurrently! At a far lower price!

That is true. I can be done cheaper. As a person, I can't play game and compose an email because my stupid keyboard can't be active in both apps at the same time. The computer multitasks perfectly though. :rolleyes:
 
They're doing those things you mentioned...concurrently! At a far lower price! Is this concept really that hard to grasp for the Apple Zealots?

And no, sites are not scrambling to support HTML5. As much as Apple and its fanboys would want them to in order to justify Jobs' idiotic stance against FLASH, it ain't happening at any great speed.

Oh my. Why are so many people wanting to do so many tasks at once while on a device like the iPad?!?

I saw someone in the other thread talking about having 40 tabs open...and because the iPad can't do that, it's worthless. Well, if that person needs to have 40 tabs open, then yes, the iPad is worthless to them.

We get it.....it doesn't multitask like a computer. That's because it's not suppose to be like my Mac Pro or even my MacBook.

If I'm sitting back in my chair at the end of the day.....reading these forums or checking mail....the iPad is perfect for that (for me at least). If I get an email in that I need to do something work related.....I get my a$$ up and go to my real computer to do work.

As for sites working without Flash....you'd be surprised....I was shocked at how well many did on the iPad.

Flash isn't dying anytime soon.....it still has it's place. But for streaming video...the day has come, thanks to HTML5 and newer browsers, that we don't need Flash to view the video.

Do we still need Flash for online games and some fancy navigation....sure do. But for what most people need Flash for (ie. video), the iPad and a lot of sites are going the way of HTML5.

Put it this way....if the video is already encoded in h.264....and my browser can natively view the video in h.264....why on earth do I or should I view the video in Flash?

As for the price.....of course it could be cheaper.....but it's not. If the price isn't right for you for what it does, then it's not of value to you so you shouldn't buy it. For me.....the price was fine for what it does. Would I have liked it to be cheaper.....well duh. But I'm not stupid enough to waste money on something if I can't get use out of it.

-Kevin
 
They're doing those things you mentioned...concurrently!

Please show me how you could (for example) play a game amd read a book at the same time. Seriously, I want to know now you read a website at the same time you play a game. Seriously.

At a far lower price! Is this concept really that hard to grasp for the Apple Zealots?

at a lower price, yes, and with a crappier device. I would guessed that by now even the dumbest among us would have noticed that using the iPad is vastly superior and intimate experience than using a laptop is. You don't manipulate a pointer and waste time moving around app-windows, you manipulate the UI directly.

And no, sites are not scrambling to support HTML5. As much as Apple and its fanboys would want them to in order to justify Jobs' idiotic stance against FLASH, it ain't happening at any great speed.

YouTube is moving to HTML5, and just recently the company that provides. Videos to the major media-companies announced that they are moving to HTML5 as well...
 
At this point the iPad is nothing more than a toy. When it actually does become a viable laptop replacement, then maybe it will win over those of us that don't just robotically buy everything that Steve poops out.
Hmm I guess my 4k Dell 610 (its 7 years old) is a toy too. All Ive done on this is email, sort photos, browse and iTunes.
Oh yes back in 2003 this baby was perfect for After Effects and Maya, but since then my work load has stayed at work where it should be ;)
Im looking forward to this new toy so I can put this old Dell to rest...
I have a MBP for field (Audio/Video projects), Id rather not call that a toy ;)
 
When I did my arbitrary sales analysis on Saturday, I figured around 300,000-400,000 were probably sold from pre-orders through to Saturday.

And, is 300,000 a failure? Is this a device no one wants? I'm sure they will sell well over 1,000,000 by year's end and I'll be one of those purchases.

It looks fantastic. This is a game changer indeed. Wonder if Ballmer is crapping himself yet? The MS boys must be redoing their entire tablet now.

A million by year's end would be a failure. I'd guess Apple is hoping to move at least 3 million this year on the bottom end.

As for MS, I doubt they are crapping themselves. They don't make hardware. As I've said elsewhere, HP's Slate will run Win7 Starter, not a cell phone OS. It will be able to multitask out of the box and run things like MS Word, Open Office, etc. And you'll be able to download Amazon's Kindle app for it. Wouldn't be surprised if HP works a deal to allow it to use Kindle for buying books. And the HP Slate has a webcam. It'll do Skype right out of the box. It also has a USB 2.0 port, so you can plug a camera, an iPod, or whatever directly into it without an adapter.

The HP Slate will blow the iPad away in features. Frankly, I think Apple rushed the iPad to market after it saw the Slate at the beginning of January. They clearly rushed the announcement because the hype for the iPad was out of control. But imagine how bad the iPad would have looked had the Slate launched first as a far more capable laptop replacement machine. Do you think the iPad would have gotten such great reviews?

And I doubt Apple ever makes an iPad as capable as the Slate because they are scared it will cannibalize MacBook sales. That's why they avoided the netbook area entirely. It's not because they thought it was a dead end, it was because they want to try to force people upwards in their product line. If the iPad is complimentary to your Mac then that is what they want. They don't want something that will make you put off buying a new Mac or stop using one all together.

I find it funny that Steve uses "game changer" and a reviewer or two that got the device earlier did as well. Is that something Apple requested them to put into the review if they liked it?

And keep perspective here. Netbooks are pacing to sell about 80 million units this year. The iPhone has sold around 45 million over its whole life span. The iPod has sold near 250 million units over the past nine years. Netbooks will surpass iPod sales in a little less than four years.

Unless people start ditching laptops for the iPad en masse, it is no game changer. I still believe it will be a profitable niche device for Apple, though I think sales will grow at first and then taper off.

The AppleTV was also called a game changer by Jobs and by people here. It was hailed as the device that would kill the DVD and physical media.

For the iPad to really be a game changer, I think it needs to sell in the stratosphere, moving around 10 million units this year with 15-20 million sold next year. The portable computing market is much larger than the iPod market. And the iPhone is nice, but it accounts for around 2% of all cell phones being used now. It is the most profitable phone out there, but that matters more to stockholders like me than it does to the average joe.

As for Best Buy sales, I'm sure they are included. They shipped a limited number to Best Buy. Manufacturers often will count limited shipments as sold.
 
Websites aren't moving to HTML5??

That's all we've been hearing . . . how everyone and their dog is either moving to HTML5 or planning to.
 
I don't know yet if this will be a hit or a flop. Once the initial excitement wears off, you have a device that still needs to find its place in our lives. Some people don't see it that way. Live Science has a very negative review:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100405/sc_livescience/13glaringipadshortcomings

I love how these negative reviews keep talking about the Kindle's 10-ounce weight and how heavy the iPad is.

Of course what they fail to tell you is it's the 6" model of the Kindle that's 10 ounces, not the iPad-equivalent Kindle DX (the 10" model), which is 19 ounces (getting very close to the iPad weight).

Seems some people have a hard time comparing apples to apples, particularly where Apple is concerned.
 
I don't think the 600,000 is too far off in a bigger picture. You still have Best Buy #'s and iPad 3G #'s that are not included. I think the combination of those two items along with the 300,000 already confirmed by Apple make for a # closer to 600,000.

Just a thought.
 
Working. As in, coding, website development, remote administration, serious photo editing, video editing, music creation, etc. Not all of us use our machines for only trivial, entertainment-focused tasks.

That's why Apple (and PC manufacturers) still sell these things called computers!!! Don't worry...just because the iPad is out, doesn't mean computers are dead.

Why is it that people expect this device to do those things you listed?

Take a look at this site: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/

Where does it say anywhere on there that it does what you listed?

Apple says exactly what this device does. Now you can argue and debate and how well it does what they say it does....but don't go knocking the device for not being able to do something it was designed for.

I have a Mac Pro to do my development work. I have an iPod Touch for mindless tasks like browsing and email. I now have an iPad to do the same....with a larger screen.

-Kevin
 
The "up your nose" excuse is tired and stale.

Yet it's still unanswered...

It's a problem easily solved by the Apple case or any of a large number of 3rd party cases, a dock, or propping the thing up on something. There's no rule requiring anyone to put the thing on their lap while videoconferencing.

if you are not supposed to keep it on your lap, then where would you put it? Awkwardly hold it with straight arms in front of your face? Carry an elaborate iPad-stand with you in case you want to do videoconferencing?
 
Regardless of how successful the iPad is or is not I do see Google and Microsoft based Tablets that look really good on paper.

I love my iPad but I do see Apple getting some pressure to improve it again this year with a newer model. This class of device is here to stay and will eventually be a true netbook replacement and will be better for certain types of applications compared to a smart phone, laptop, or desktop.

Apple will be the bar that ever tablet will be compared. So I give credit for that.
 
As for MS, I doubt they are crapping themselves. They don't make hardware.

Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft is perfectly happy watching Apple steer the entire tech industry and get all the press. :rolleyes:

As I've said elsewhere, HP's Slate will run Win7 Starter, not a cell phone OS. It will be able to multitask out of the box and run things like MS Word, Open Office, etc.

Uh huh, because that whole "Windows on a tablet" thing has worked so well in years past...

The HP Slate will blow the iPad away in features.

Newsflash: consumers want usability, not features. Wanna make a wager about how well the HP Slate will sell vs. the iPad?

Hey, at least you'll buy one!

Unless people start ditching laptops for the iPad en masse, it is no game changer. I still believe it will be a profitable niche device for Apple, though I think sales will grow at first and then taper off.

I remember people like you talking about the original iPod in the same way. "Bah humbug, no one is going to dump their CD player for this stupid little gizmo!"

Fortunately while some people merely talk about others being unable to change the world, those others are actually doing it.
 
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