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You bet it does! I never said it didn't. Besides for extreme portability, bigger is always better. It's more pleasing on the eyes. I totally agree that it is a better device than the Touch, due it's size. I didn't call it a Touch. I called an oversized Touch. I'm not discounting the effects of the ipad being big. These effects are truly significant. So, BESIDES it being big (and hence, having a much larger screen), how is it different than a Touch?

You can read real magazines and iBooks! How is that not absolutely astonishingly HUGE???!!!! (and sooo magical)
 
Weather

Don't know about other parts of the country but here in upstate NY the weather was stunningly beautiful on Saturday. I'm talking bright sunshine and high 80's in Syracuse on April 3! Even if I was in the market for a Wi-Fi Ipad there's no way I would have wasted such a glorious day at the mall waiting on line. I'll bet sales would have been better if it was cold and raining.

BTW, I'll be buying once the 3G version comes out, but no way am I waiting on any line.
 
I knew those analyst number were way off. And I don't think the lack of 3G model is holding sales back by that much...I would think most of the models sold will be wifi....cheaper stuff always sells better, and there is not an insignificant premium over the 3G model.

i agree with the sentiment, but not with the generalization. For instance, the cheapest model (16gb) seems not to be selling well (according to best buy-related commentary on these boards).

I am guessing about 50,000 3g preorders.
 
Have you ever used Windows Mobile 7? I haven't either. So, I really can't comment on it. However, I can ask you; why are you comparing a cellphone's OS to the ipads? Oh, let me guess...hmm, maybe because they're the same thing?

It's ok to say "I don't know." You don't have to pretend like you didn't understand the question just to avoid that.

We were talking about the reasons why ALL of these devices don't have multitasking, remember? You're the one that brought it up, after all. My theory is that all of these companies are finding it to be too taxing on the battery, still.

Your theory is 'MacBook sales.' That doesn't seem to apply to Microsoft, but you're apparently not interested in explaining your ideas so I guess I can't know what you're thinking.

If you'd like to come back and tell me why you think Microsoft is doing the same thing Apple is, I'd love to listen.
 
At this point the iPad is nothing more than a toy. When it actually does become a viable laptop replacement, then maybe it will win over those of us that don't just robotically buy everything that Steve poops out.

As has been said by many before, people like you and most of the people on forums like these are not Apple's target customer for this device. People will buy it because it's cool and it's sexy and does a lot of things that the average person uses a computer for, and it does them well.
 
im not sure if i am correct, but i think most people will hold of until its worth it.

1. people want multitasking, for skype, msn, etc (i would buy 4 as my family and i love the what they could bring.

2. Camera - Skype'ing your family from abroad while seeing them would be awesome.

3. Tethering. This is my most important feature and i refuse to buy ANY until this is sorted out,, how dare they not allow me to tether the ipad to my iphone. I would happily pay more for the ability, but i refuse with out exception to pay for another data subscription. (not only that, i only have to upgrade my iphone when 4g comes out rather then buy a new ipad)

I would agree until I used it for a few hours. I think the limited book selection is a bigger grip but the device is solid experience you can't get from a laptop when browsing the web and using the iPad native apps.

The Camera, Multitasking, the Tethering are nice for someday but not going to kill it. It is like saying a Corvette doesn't have room in the back to move your mattress. (It multitask where it counts like downloads, iPod use, Safari.)
 
Stop already. IT'S NOT A LAPTOP OR A LAPTOP REPLACEMENT.

Perhaps not, but laptops and netbooks are what it will be forced to compete with. People will ask themselves whether they want an actual computer, or this (as you would have it) incomparable device. Not too many people are going to shell out money for an ipad and a netbook, when their purposes clearly overlap, at least to some extent. What would you have us compare it to?
 
Apple is brilliant at marketing and generating a hype.

Deutsche Telekom (in Germany) offered a tablet ("Sinus Pad") back in 2001. It was quite inexpensive (I think somewhere around 400 €) and it was designed to surf the web and playback media files. It had a 200 MHz ARM CPU and a 800x600 touchscreen (9 '' or something). It connected to the internet wirelessly using your home DSL or ISDN connection using DECT or optionally even WIFI. In 2001 this was very advanced technology. It was possible to install third party software on the device.

But no one cared. The device failed in the marketplace and was discontinued soon.

Why would anyone have cared in 2001? Where would they get the media files? There was no iTunes store or similar back then. Most consumers don't actually rip DVDs or download movies off bittorrent.

This device failed for a lot more reasons than a lack of hype. It was "way ahead of its time", meaning so many things were missing in the marketplace that it could do little more than foreshadow a future device - the iPad.
 
To clarify this article a bit
Engadget reports that the figure of 300,000 includes
Apple sales on release, preorders, AND BEST BUY SALES

Engadget goes on to state that these "sales" by Best Buy are to the company as a supplier rather than end user sales
 
Hard to say for sure, but my guess is that most of the first day buyers were the geeks and the trendy idiots who like to think it makes them look cool to own a piece of new Apple tech. The soccer moms and average consumers, the iPads most natural market, probably are only dimly aware of its existence until it was the top news story on Saturday in the mainstream media. Now they heard of it, but they still aren't sure what to make of it.

They will learn. They'll see a friend with one and then they'll get it. It will speak to them.

You know what I did on Saturday? I was so busy trying out my iPad I neglected to eat. I realized I was hungry, but I was in the middle of watching a video. So instead of pausing, I brought my iPad into the kitchen and made myself a meal while the video kept playing. I've never been tempted to do that with a computer, but with the iPad it just felt natural. It was a companion device that does what I want whenever I want and wherever I want.

Soccer moms will love it. This is going to be a massive seller once the word gets out among the average consumers.

Haha I had mines at the table during Easter dinner! My wife said I was like a 2 year old that carries his new toy around everywhere after Christmas. :eek:

But then I wake up at 3am this morning and she's using it to read books! I might have to get a 3G one if she becomes too attached...
 
I understand where you are coming from.

However, for many users, the iPad will be a laptop replacement.

You're right, it is a laptop replacement.

The big Apple fans have trouble with this because right now the iPad is not a very good laptop replacement. And it's hard to admit that your favorite company made something that's not the best in its class.

But it's ok. The iPad is a 'so-so' laptop replacement this year. It'll be an 'ok' laptop replacement next year and it'll be a 'pretty good' laptop replacement in 2012. The goal here is not to replace the laptop today. The iPad is going to squeeze the laptop over the next 10 years.

This first model is a good start for that plan. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
Reminds me of the people complaining about the fact Apple did dare to sell the original iMac without a floppy disc drive.

Are you saying that Apple killed the floppy disk, rather than USB keys and CD-R? I'm not sure when they decided not to include Floppy Disk drives, but if a computer that a bought pre 2005 didn't have a floppy drive it would have been annoying. Even though I bought my 1st USB key in 2002 (128mb), I still had a bunch of floppys, but most importantly the drive didn't take up any space on a desktop.

It's like Apple deciding not to include a DVD drive, and taking credit 15 years from now when everything is Bluray, or removable memory.
 
.......So, BESIDES it being big (and hence, having a much larger screen), how is it different than a Touch?

It's not (really) any different!

Man, I really wish Apple would have just called the darn thing the iPod Touch XL. Then most people on these forums wouldn't have their panties in a bunch about this being the second coming of the computer.

Regardless of what Steve said.....or what people think he said.....it's not a laptop. It's not a netbook. It's a big iPod Touch. Because of it's size, it can do "other" things that aren't possible or practical on the Touch.

Apple is going to market the thing however they can to sell it. If people are stupid enough to just believe whatever comes out of Steve's mouth....or the Apple marketing department, then you know what.....I have swampland in Florida to sell you....PM me for the details. Go to the Apple Store and try it. If you like it...and it does what you need it to....and (this part is important)....you have the money to spend on it, then viola! you can buy it!

BTW....if you don't like it....then please just don't buy it.....it really is that simple.

-Kevin

PS. Pepsi is better than Coke because I just saw a Pepsi ad on TV and they said so! :D
 
Amit Gupta gets it right.

The iPad squeezes laptops in the same way that cell phone cameras squeeze point-n-shoot cameras. It's not about being better...it's about people wanting something high-end and something low-end and not needing the 'middle.' Eventually (not today) laptops will be seen as that 'middle.'

This is a long-term plan, remember. You have to imaging the iPad with multitasking, a file system (of some sort) and an internet where Flash isn't important anymore.

It's all coming. This (so-so) iPad is gonna lead to amazing things down the road.
 
im not sure if i am correct, but i think most people will hold of until its worth it.

1. people want multitasking, for skype, msn, etc (i would buy 4 as my family and i love the what they could bring.

2. Camera - Skype'ing your family from abroad while seeing them would be awesome.

3. Tethering. This is my most important feature and i refuse to buy ANY until this is sorted out,, how dare they not allow me to tether the ipad to my iphone. I would happily pay more for the ability, but i refuse with out exception to pay for another data subscription. (not only that, i only have to upgrade my iphone when 4g comes out rather then buy a new ipad)

I totally agree. If I have both iPhone and iPad on the road why do I need two phone numbers in order to read emails on the iPad?
 
As has been said by many before, people like you and most of the people on forums like these are not Apple's target customer for this device. People will buy it because it's cool and it's sexy and does a lot of things that the average person uses a computer for, and it does them well.

Actually, the lack of Flash means it doesn't do them well. In fact it fails miserably as web browsing due to this. It's an idiotic stance on Apples part to keep pretending they can make the rest of the world think Flash isn't important.
 
Sorry Apple-hatin' Microsoft lovers (many of whom patrol this site), you're old and stale:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36169908/ns/business-us_business/

So true. Worth quoting.

Two tech titans are still brushing off their confetti and digesting their cake after a pair of weekend milestones. Microsoft marked its 35th birthday on Sunday. Apple turned 34 late last week and then, Saturday, unwrapped its iPad.

But as the two rivals rumble toward middle age, their brands somehow seem years apart. Among many consumers, their corporate images represent a clash between frumpy and fresh.

Microsoft, to some, appears a tad flabby in the middle — a Chrysler Town & Country driver with a 9 p.m. bedtime. Apple, in some eyes, looks sleeker and younger — a hipster in ragtop Beemer packed with chic friends sporting mobile toys.
 
Why MUST it be viable laptop replacement? Seriously, why can't it be what it is....a large touch screen internet device.....basically a large iPod Touch.

I love my iPod Touch....and I love the iPad for what it does. It's not replacing my Mac Pro or my MacBook anytime soon.....but then again I don't have delusions that it will :D

Toy or not.....I like it and it's usable for what I do with it.

People need to stop thinking it's going to solve all the worlds computing problems.

Wonder what Steve will poop out next...:apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:

-Kevin

The Only thing it does'nt do that I need my PC for is encoding video. Everything else it does

Browse web..Check
Read Email... Check
Read Comics..Check
Read Ebooks..Check
Play Games...Check
Plays Videos..Check
DL and Listen to Music...Check

Seriously what in gods name are people doing with their PC's, and Don't worry sites are already scrambling to do HTML5, Flash won't be an issue for long.
 
You're right, it is a laptop replacement.

The big Apple fans have trouble with this because right now the iPad is not a very good laptop replacement. And it's hard to admit that your favorite company made something that's not the best in its class.

But it's ok. The iPad is a 'so-so' laptop replacement this year. It'll be an 'ok' laptop replacement next year and it'll be a 'pretty good' laptop replacement in 2012. The goal here is not to replace the laptop today. The iPad is going to squeeze the laptop over the next 10 years.

This first model is a good start for that plan. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I understand and agree with your comments for the majority of users.

However, for light users it's a fine replacement in it's current state.

Consumers need choice. That's why Apple offers three different laptop lineups (MBA, MB, and MBP x 3). No one model fits all customers needs. The iPad will be no different. As the platform matures more options and possibly models (sizes?) will become available. I would venture to say that the evolution will be quicker than we think. Just look at the iPod and how it changed in just a few years. My guess is that the iPad will be the same. :)
 
This reminds me of the first days of sale for the original iPhone:

  • It sold this many! No, it sold that many! That's a bad number! That's a great number!
  • You can get another smart phone for less money and it does more!
  • It has to compete against other types of phones that people will compare to this one.
  • It's overpriced and doesn't do much!

1. OK, we'll find out soon enough when it hits a million sold, but the first few days of a new device do not tell the whole story. When something new comes along, the early adopters jump, but most people think about it and try to learn what this new thing is.

2. Yes, there are netbooks that do more than an iPad. That didn't stop the iPhone from being a runaway bestseller. It won't stop the iPad either. This is a new way of using computers.

3. Other types of phones very quickly started to become like the iPhone. Same thing will happen now. All those Chinese manufacturers making netbooks are rushing to market with iPad clones. People will be exposed to the metaphor from all corners. What Apple started, others will imitate. It will change the market just as the smart phone market changed.

4. You ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to iPad apps. It was the app market that sold the iPhone, and it will the app market that will sell the iPad. People will be lusting after this device when they see what developers can cook up for it.
 
The Only thing it does'nt do that I need my PC for is encoding video. Everything else it does

Browse web..Check
Read Email... Check
Read Comics..Check
Read Ebooks..Check
Play Games...Check
Plays Videos..Check
DL and Listen to Music...Check

Seriously what in gods name are people doing with their PC's, and Don't worry sites are already scrambling to do HTML5, Flash won't be an issue for long.

They're doing those things you mentioned...concurrently! At a far lower price! Is this concept really that hard to grasp for the Apple Zealots?

And no, sites are not scrambling to support HTML5. As much as Apple and its fanboys would want them to in order to justify Jobs' idiotic stance against FLASH, it ain't happening at any great speed.
 
Honestly - why do you post here?
Some of us like Apple's former core business more than their new 'core' business. I love reading news about new MacBooks/OSX/etc., since I have a large interest in acquiring them eventually. All this iPad news is being shoved in my face (by more than just MacRumours, mind you), and it can get to be a bit... Too much, for a product that I have little-to-no interest in.

The apparent hatred seems to comes from two different perspectives: either just annoyance at the overhyped nature of the iPad (Apple is just barely stopping short of directly calling it the "JesusPad"), or at the locked down nature of the device -- as locked down as an iPhone, in a form factor/device that would much better suit a more traditional software model.

False. People were initially supposing this was going to be in the thousand dollar range. And subsidization != massive success either.
Just because the price point of a device is lower than extremely early predictions (pre-mainstream announcements/hype) does not mean that device is cheap. A large percent of the population doesn't have the money to purchase a $500+ Apple product, and the computer they need to sync it with/set it up with.

Stop already. IT'S NOT A LAPTOP OR A LAPTOP REPLACEMENT.
Though I have seen quotes from Steve Jobs stating that it is intended to compete with/replace netbooks. (Source 1, 2, 3. There's more if you look for them, too.)

There's also a huge number of mainstream news pieces, entirely non-Apple in origin, that compare the two. Even if Jobs didn't specifically positioning it as a netbook competitor (which he did!), that's where it's ending up.
 
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