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It would be interesting to see Leopards opening night vs Vistas opening night. From what I heard no-one queued for Vista (that could be wrong).
This is because Windows users are nerdy business people who have better, more important things to do than camp out for days on end for an OS release that will only appeal to young, hip, trendy people.
 
There certainly is a buzz about Leopard and all the reviews I've read, including mainstream ones such as the BBC and the Guardian, seem to be very positive.

I can't install it until my massively overdue new harddrive arrives. Getting so impatient!
 
Anyone else experiencing long boot times with Leopard? I have a Mac Pro that used to boot in less than a minute under Tiger.

Since the upgrade to Leopard, my system hangs for 40 seconds on a blank screen (not even Apple Logo) and then boots like normal in less than a minute. I performed the upgrade rather than the erase and install method. I had installed beta versions of Leopard previously on another HD using the erase and install method and never had a boot time issue.

Weird and annoying!

My boot times on both of my machines are just about halved. However I did an erase and install on both. I guess that might be your problem..
 
I went there and I really see very few problems to speak of. same rehash of the same issues where people installed APE, some having problems with the actual CD, etc. Most people have no issues, it is the vocal minority making all the noise, just like the iBricks taking over all the forms of media.

It is not perfect but a lot less troubles than in Vista.

I couldn't agree more. Leopard went a lot smoother for me than past Mac OS X upgrades have in my experience.

Nearly everyone I've known that has attempted upgrading an existing PC from XP to Vista has had significant issues, or has ended up downgrading their new PC from Vista to XP due to problems.

In the end, it's not just simply a coincedence that Microsoft still sells Windows XP despite Vista being out there. However, you definitely won't see that it's necessary for Apple to continue to sell Tiger now that Leopard is out.
 
Anyone else experiencing long boot times with Leopard? I have a Mac Pro that used to boot in less than a minute under Tiger.

Do you have another OS on one of the other HDs in you macPro? I get this every now and then when my machine is searching for which drive to start from... the mac drive, the windows drive or the CD. I fixed it but just setting the boot drive.
 
Believe what you want, but wake me up when businesses around the world stop using Exchange servers that only work with Windows (sure, you get some access on a Mac, but it's hardly the same.)

Sleep tight, Apple does not have its eyes yet on the corporate world, when they do, we will wake you with some soap, and a shaving kit. Mean time may want to roll the long bear in a backpack so it does not slow you down.

Corp wants pre-announcements and future direction 1-2 years ahead, until Apple is willing to do that (spill the beans), their eyes are elsewhere.
 
Has someone in apple PR been reading SEO 101 and building web traffic with Press Releases? This is getting to be a bit much...

Here is the latest:
Apple announced today that someone, somewhere ate the 1,000,000,000,000 apple ever. CEO Steve Jobs said, "We've seen more and more people eating Apples over the past few years. With the success of the iPod, iPhone and the Mac, Apple is on everyone's mind and now in their mouth."
 
This is because Windows users are nerdy business people who have better, more important things to do than camp out for days on end for an OS release that will only appeal to young, hip, trendy people.

They let you come out from under the bridge?
 
Do you have another OS on one of the other HDs in you macPro? I get this every now and then when my machine is searching for which drive to start from... the mac drive, the windows drive or the CD. I fixed it but just setting the boot drive.

Sorry this is reply to who you replied to! Darn it...

Nope. I now have now converted the following:
iBook 1.33 G4 / Dual 2 GIG G5 / MacBook Intel First generation bottom of line / MacBook Pro top of the line (brand new)

All including ancient iBook are faster to boot, run faster and so far are all running flawlessly.
 
Apple cannot test their OS with every third party application. Then no new OS would ever come out. It's a rule of thumb, when you're doing such a big thing as an OS upgrade, many unseen things can happen so: 1. Always keep a backup, 2. Switch off ALL third party enhancements before the upgrade. You shouldn't blame Apple for mistakes made by consumers. As we already know the Blue Screen is because of Application Enhancer.

really? wow i must've been one of the lucky few that had Application Enhancer running during the upgrade and it still installed perfectly fine
 
Anyone else experiencing long boot times with Leopard? I have a Mac Pro that used to boot in less than a minute under Tiger.

Since the upgrade to Leopard, my system hangs for 40 seconds on a blank screen (not even Apple Logo) and then boots like normal in less than a minute. I performed the upgrade rather than the erase and install method. I had installed beta versions of Leopard previously on another HD using the erase and install method and never had a boot time issue.

Weird and annoying!

I've noticed a bit of a delay but it seems be caused by my USB external drives spinning up to speed and coming online (I have 4 of them that seem to come up in order). I never noticed this with Tiger, but that's not to say it wasn't the same :)
 
Well, as far as the blue screen issue, you should check out this article. It is not Apples fault but APE, which is a non sanctioned piece of software.

[edit] the article has been updated to point out that some reports of the blue screen issue didn't involve ape. Still an interesting read.

Wow. I had version 1.5 on my comupter for the Alchemy TV to work properly. That was too close for comfort. Thanks!
 
This is because Windows users are nerdy business people who have better, more important things to do than camp out for days on end for an OS release that will only appeal to young, hip, trendy people.

ROFL ... Good one. In my experience they are mostly clueless and can't even add a mail account without hiring a 'tech'.
 
I'm a total Mac Fanboy, but even I'm not that diluted to think Vista is a failure. MS just reported hugh profits, in part do to substantial Vista sales.

i am (WAS) a windoz fanboy. the "only" thing abt vista i like is the windows mail..and thats because of its spam filter...
other than that, vista is really pathetic... i saw my colleagues laptop running a brand new sony tz series laptop. the boot time was apalling :eek:
i dont know how many people are going to be happy with vista...:rolleyes:

trust me...im still using a vista machine now. and i have tried out tiger only for a day or so. that was enough to win me over. i cant wait to get a new MB
 
Glass is half full: OMG! Leopard is the best version of OS X yet! Everyone wants it! Its great!

Glass is half empty: Everyone want to get the heck off Tiger.

So are you guys full or empty? :p :D


ROFL ... Good one. In my experience they are mostly clueless and can't even add a mail account without hiring a 'tech'.

Whatever zealot. :rolleyes:

*sighs* I find it amazing how people can bitch about an OS and Id bet $10 most of you haven't used it for more then a month at most. Windows like any OS has a learning curve. The problem with most of you people is that you never tried to LEARN Windows and instead decided to crap all over it and call it sucky. I was the EXACT same way the first 4-6 months on OS X. I swear as god as my witness there were days I wanted to find Jobs and smash this damn laptop over his head in frustration. OS X CAN and does cause frustration, I've found Leopard to cause less of it though. Much less.

If you learn Windows, and not just learn where to find x or y feature in the Control Panel, it can easily be as good as OS X. But you need to know its quirks. You need to know where its faults are are and fill in the holes with the software equivalent of spackle. Windows can be a complete OS but you DO need a few third party apps to do it. You need to know how to tweak windows. That is what the IT pro is for. We know this crap backwards and forwards. Hell I use to support an office of Mac's running Panther. I was dropped into the place because we picked up a contract to do IT support and it included this one off office of about 30 Macs running Panther. Didn't have to go there often but I can tell you right now tha t there were quirks with OS X just as there are with any OS. I really wish the zealots would wrap this concept around their little egocentric brain. Windows doesn't suck any more then all OS's be it OS X, Windows, Linux, Amiga, Unix, BSD, DOS, OS/400, VAX all suck to a certain extent.
 
really? wow i must've been one of the lucky few that had Application Enhancer running during the upgrade and it still installed perfectly fine

It only had problems with older versions:

But, as far as I can tell, there is no mystery involved. There is one and only one known cause for this problem: old versions of Unsanity’s Application Enhancer, a.k.a. APE. Versions 2.0.2 and 2.0.3 of APE are apparently inert but harmless on Leopard. But at least some, if not all, versions of APE preceding version 2.0.2 are incompatible, and will render the system unbootable if left in place during an upgrade. APE 2.0.2 was released in November 2006; 2.0.3 in March 2007.
(quoted from daringfireball)
 
It is not perfect but a lot less troubles than in Vista.

Sure, but a lot more trouble than Tiger.
Tiger was better than Vista. Leopard should be compared to one thing and one thing only, and that is 10.4.10. A lot of things are better and a lot of things are worse.
 
This is because Windows users are nerdy business people who have better, more important things to do than camp out for days on end for an OS release that will only appeal to young, hip, trendy people.

And what of the nerdy youth that build Win-rigs to play PC games for hours on end? Surely they don't build any business acumen taking out virtual baddies.
 
This is because Windows users are nerdy business people who have better, more important things to do than camp out for days on end for an OS release that will only appeal to young, hip, trendy people.

Actually if you look at the demographics of who buys Macs vs. who buys Windows. The Mac buyers are on average older and have more education. You become more likely to buy a Mac as you get closer to 50.

Apples ads use younger actors because that is the image they want to send. But in real life age and education are what determine income and income determines if you can afford a Mac or must settle for a cheap $399 e-machine PC. No, don't talk about collage student buying Macs, mostly those are parents of students buying macs.
 
ROFL ... Good one. In my experience they are mostly clueless and can't even add a mail account without hiring a 'tech'.

Whatever zealot. :rolleyes:

Seconded! I feel no shame in saying this: I am an equal opportunity OS-user. I have tamed Windows XP on my machines and it is wrapped around my finger, thank you very much.

Of course I wouldn't even need a PC if Apple would make a mid-range upgradeable tower....

Here I go again...

-Clive
 
What on earth are you on about?

The reason for the sales. I personally upgraded because I can't stand Tiger. From doing informal compairsons with some of my friends running Tiger on their PPC Macs....Its not nearly as polished on the Intel platform.


So are you a I want to get the heck away from Tiger person or a Leopard! Features! Speed! Great! person?
 
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