Couldn’t disagree more, Kevin. AI isnt getting it right. That was the point of what Steve was suggesting.
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I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with? I didn't say any of it was right, they all hallucinate and of course that is a problem.
That said it if attributes false headlines to a news org that is a big problem.
Yes, there are kinks to work out. Which is why apple intelligence is in BETA. I’ll repeat, apple intelligence is in BETA.
Your criticism would be more valid if apple intelligence wasn’t in BETA.
In my case, I believe more about being right than I care about making politically correct motherhood statements. I don’t own any Apple stock, I doubt I ever will (too risk averse to invest) and that’s fine by me.
I get that it’s less cool to root for Apple these days, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are wrong in what they are doing, or that they are “doomed” as a result of you not liking what they do.
Too many people attempt to conflate the two (I don’t agree or understand what Apple is doing, so they must be on the wrong path) and I feel it just leads to wrong analysis and criticism along the way.
It’s all a big problem. AI summaries should never be taken as an accurate summary of a story. Surely you know that, no matter who generates it. It’s like believing headlines that are supposed to be that summary, yet turn out to be clickbait.
Apple haven’t got it right, Google haven’t got it right. None of them have, but yet you want to make it sound like Apple are the only one failing. That’s what loses people credibility on this thread. Blinkers and no context.
Nonsense. If the software is available to the public and is attributing false information to another organisation that is on Apple. Simple.
I agree that none of them have got it right.
But that notification was presented as if it had come from the BBC News app so yeah, the end user should expect them to not be reporting false information. This is exactly why the BBC were angry, it calls into question the integrity of their reporting.
The issue is the way Apple Intelligence works, it generates summaries and then presents them as if they have come from a third party app. In that instance there is a lot of pressure for them to be accurate, if someone pulls something out of Gemini that is nonsense everybody knows that is on Google, if ChatGPT spits out something random the blame is squarely on OpenAI but when Apple are modifying a third party's content the lines are blurred.
I have to agree. It pains me 😂. But you’re right.
I’d just be more comfortable if you weren’t so Anti-Apple on this. Context is still super important and leaving out the others doesn’t describe the landscape accurately. Something to take away I guess.
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Not that simple. Apple intelligence is in beta. I agree had apple intelligence not been in BETA. But old chap, apple intelligence is in BETA.
Even AI that is not in Beta comes with caveats. Or as ChatGPT put it when I asked about its disclaimers:
1. Accuracy Disclaimer:
• “While I strive to provide accurate and up-to-date information, my responses may not always reflect the most current developments.”
2. Verification Encouragement:
• “I recommend verifying this information with reliable sources before making any decisions or taking action.”
3. Scope of Knowledge:
• “My knowledge is based on publicly available information up until [knowledge cutoff date] and may not account for more recent changes or developments.”
4. Not Legal/Professional Advice:
• “This response does not constitute legal, financial, or professional advice. For specific advice, please consult a qualified professional.”
5. General Limitations:
• “Responses are based on the information available to me and may not fully account for all nuances or specific circumstances.”
But they are presenting their generative content as their own.
If you had to guess where has this notification come from?
It is presented with the name and logo of a third party news organisation.
Lovely. Won't stop them getting sued if they continue to attribute fake news to third parties.
The BBC are adults. They aren't going to sue over beta software. They chose to complain to Apple directly made their displeasure known publicly when they could have sued. I'm sure Apple is taking it far more seriously than you.
Except it’s an apple generated summary with the logo so the source is known. Apple intelligence is in beta and AI is far from perfect.
Good luck to a lawsuit - that’s a statement of last resort when an internet argument is lost. If won it could be bad for Ai in general.
We’re not “stanning” for Apple anymore than you’re “slamming” them.
I find them a fascinating company and more often than not agree with their decisions. I think a lot of people here fundamentally don’t understand how Apple works, or think they’re Apple’s target consumer because they were in the 1990s or early 2000s and either haven’t realized that they’re not the target consumer anymore, or do realize it and are bitter about it.
I find it equally fascinating that people come on an enthusiast site to talk about how everything Apple does is wrong and how much better things were in the good ol’ days before big bad Tim Cook entered the scene. How Apple is boring now just doing safe spec bumps without taking risks, and at the same time saying Vision Pro is a product that nobody asked for (and is terrible - the people who love it are wrong), and Apple is falling behind in AI, but the second they release something in beta it’s garbage. How their products are terrible now but everyone keeps buying them because of inertia or something. How everything is Tim Cook’s fault and nothing good has come from his leadership - he’s money grubbing and only cares about profits despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.
And just as they’re not going to return the favor for people defending them, they’re not going to change how they’re acting because enthusiasts on MacRumors, tech pundits, or EU bureaucrats claim to know their business better than they do. If Apple is so terrible now, why do you continue to buy their products? They’re not going to change without the market telling them they need to.
You are not wrong. I jumped ships from windows and android 13 years ago. It just works was indeed Apple.
Currently updating Macos on new laptops always break something. New iphones/ipads getting bricked when transferring.
Gifted 16pm to wife couple days ago. Camera goes black and frozen when activated. Googled the solution to switch off macro setting in camera - the core issue that we restored a backup of her 15PM instead of starting from scratch.
It no longer just works.
Apple Intelligence is literally the first feature touted in iOS 18 (https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-18/), and they only say it's in beta in the fine print. This excuse doesn't hold water imo. It's literally the feature they want everyone to upgrade for and enable. They can call it a beta all they want, but it's the headline feature of the public release of iOS 18. Apple runs commercials for Apple Intelligence, including the summarization feature, to sell the iPhone 16. I appreciate a good beta for ironing out issues, but I sincerely do not think this qualifies as a beta when Apple is pushing it out to it's 2 billion customers (well, the English speaking ones anyway) as people kept bringing up earlier in the thread.
I didn’t reference or quote you … why would you assume I was talking about you?
That aside, folks who defend everything they do is indeed stanning
“Stan is a slang term for a fan who is extremely or excessively devoted to someone or something.”
Cheers and have a good night 👍
When you lack credibility due to reducing your comments to being only anti Apple without an actual balanced view, you resort to putting others down. I don’t understand why.
Context is important. Maybe include it and make more rational arguments
On that specific day pre-split $AAPL dipped to a 20+ year low of $78.20/share.
I looked at my past bank account statements of that month and that was in my bank account.
A reason why I'd not diversify my portfolio & just buy Apple Inc is because I've been keeping track of the company at least every 12 hours since Summer 2000 and I was doing my US internship in 2008-2009. In other words I'm as a big a fanboi as many MR users. ;-) It would be epic iSheep move to buy a sliver of the company I ardently defend online & whose hardware I subscribe to.
Hours ago I pointed to friends of a $599 2024 iPad Air 11" M2 128GB Wi-Fi being offered over the counter for ₱30,990. This is as cheap as MR's Priceguide even with freight forwarding it back to the Philippines. One friend pointed me to an Android 15 tablet that was released Oct 2024 as an alternative. Good price if you're outside of Apple's ecosystem.
I budgeted 4,000 $AAPL on that day.
I also had other streams of income so if Tim Cook tanked the company I had enough runway to correct my course.
I've been aware of the PH & US stock market since I was a pre-teen. Just did not dawn on me that I could personally participate.
I also did not realize to ask the help of people close to me on the scary paperwork. My dad's been a fan of the company prior to the launch of the Mac and wanted a piece of the action too. He just wasn't aware that PH citizens could buy US stocks.
52W high closing was $260.09. So 112,000 $AAPL shares is a $29,130,080 portfolio that is expected to go ever higher when there's a push to get to $4 trillion market cap.
To provide economic context of 🇵🇭 vs 🇺🇸 Apple users
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- 1 of 10 desktops/laptops are Macs
- 1 of 100 smartphones are 0-6 year old iPhones that can run iOS 18
- 1.5 of 100 smartphones are 7-18 year old iPhones that are iOS 16 or older
- 1 of 5 tablets are iPads
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I can't imagine Cook giving a speech about developers. I mean yeah he opens WWDC with some boilerplate. But not, like, a real one.
Online comment sections are and have always been toxic and negative. Those of us who have been around since the beginning know this full well. My favorite response to the negativity is usually “Apple, proudly going bankrupt and out of business since 4/1/1976.”
I haven’t read the over three hundred posts but I guarantee there’s one that dredges up the fake news that Microsoft “saved” Apple. A perusal of those comments show 90% negative, toxic, sarcastic, hateful, demeaning, derogatory toward Apple. I remember the day Steve Jobs died. On that other tech rag Cnet there was an organized effort to gather and urinate on his grave in the comments. A few years ago cnet shut down its comments section.
Finally, the perennial “overpriced” caterwauling that accompanies almost every article published here.
Since we're discussing definitions, folks who criticize everything are indeed aspersing.
Inevitably, on threads that show good news to apple, the aspersers, come out in force with no detail too small to condemn apple over.
While there may be companies across the globe with a higher valuation than $4T it is a milestone for an American tech company.
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Why is that? Are you suggesting Tim Cook isn't smart, or something?
You may not know that Cook, with a BS degree in engineering from Auburn University, and an MBA from Duke University, was hand picked by Steve Jobs to be CEO of Apple (before that he was Apple'a COO since 1998).
Over the last 13 years as CEO he's lead Apple to becoming one of the most successful tech companies in the world.