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Android is still the fastest growing OS by far and Iphone on Verizon has been an embarrasment for everyone involved so far, but lets not let facts get in the way of your delusional Apple worship.

Yeah. Who wouldn't be embarrassed to have the best selling phone on Verizon? Oh, wait....

The move makes perfect sense for Apple. Whereas, using their toughest competitor in the mobile phone market as manufacturer really doesn't...
 
The move makes perfect sense for Apple. Whereas, using their toughest competitor in the mobile phone market as manufacturer really doesn't...

Except when that competitor is one of the best parts manufacturer around for certain parts you need to make your wonder phone.
 
Android lost some share recently. Not sure in which market, though it seems to be US. It's being attributed to the Verizon iPhone.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/30/nielsen.hints.android.has.stopped.growing/

Android will IMO be the major player if it isn't already. Maybe some lags here and there.

When you get buy on get one free phones or totally free phones and it all works who cares what they run as long as everything works?

In the who is ahead race there is always a time delay.

Starting July ios5 may be ahead and by September Android will have copied the ios 5 ideas they deem good into Android.

Apple does the same the other way around (Notifications)

Not every creative idea needs to be restricted to ONE company:)
 
They're chosing TSMC because that company's logo is clearly superior to Samsung's, right?

No, it's because Samsung is otherwise a competitor to Apple and the two companies seems to be having a difficult time keep the semicon and mobile divisions separate. There's a bit of a conflict there.
 
Samsung is going down...
Apple is too powerful right now even for Samsung.
 
They're chosing TSMC because that company's logo is clearly superior to Samsung's, right?

No doubt. It looks like a logo I would have seen in my peripheral vision as I was furiously typing in a Level II BASIC source listing into my TRS-80 Model I out of an issue of 80 Micro magazine.
 
Samsung is going down...
Apple is too powerful right now even for Samsung.

Apple is certainly powerful, and likely has no shortage of suitors waiting in the wings, ready to supply parts. However, it's not always easy to find the right supplier, in terms of the necessary tech, quality, and production volume. Sometimes it's spread out between more than one.

But when you're Apple and your products are in insane demand, you're in a very good position in terms of the directions in which you can move.


Brilliant. :D
 
How's Samsung's stock doing on those news, or is the company not public? (Am I even using the right terms? IDK, I don't invest in stocks at all.)

You should start investing, or at least learning about it. It's one of the only ways to have a shot at a real retirement. Buying Apple products is one of the easiest ways to ensure you won't.
 
Apple is certainly powerful, and likely has no shortage of suitors waiting in the wings, ready to supply parts. However, it's not always easy to find the right supplier, in terms of the necessary tech, quality, and production volume. Sometimes it's spread out between more than one.

But when you're Apple and your products are in insane demand, you're in a very good position in terms of the directions in which you can move.



Brilliant. :D

If you look at Samsung Electronic's last quarter report, you will find out that their profits are seriously depending on supplying and selling parts. Samsung's share fell more than 15%-20% this year because their sales are not doing well compare to last year including Televisions, Tablets and laptops. If apple moves away from Samsung and sides with other companies, then their shares will take a serious hit. I am pulling my money away from Samsung.
 
One thing that isn't often mentioned is that Apple's chips A4/A5 aren't that much different than other ARM based chips in the same generation. They just have a cooler name. We have to remember than when the A6 is released, there will be multiple other ARM chips with roughly the same capabilities being produced by Nvidia, TI, Samsung, and Qualcomm.

Sitting back on the sidelines, this whole saga is pretty entertaining. Huge corps with huge cash reserves are battling it out, while we get excited and impassioned. Little do we understand is fact that is what is going on is most likely par for the course. No wonder these businesses have so many lawyers. This just gives them something to do all day.

There is a huge different. Apple have NOVA SIMD extensions in A5. That takes 30% of the die area on the chip.

Tegra 3 will get NOVA extensions.

Since Apple has control over the graphical layer in the OS, they can accelerate it with SIMD code. That is why Apple beats other ARM chips in real world benchmarks. Single core A4 is only 3-8% slower then others 1.2 dual core in web browsing and so on.

Android will never be able to accelerate its graphic since they don't control that layer.

But people are stupid and just look at mhz and how many megapixel a camera have. Both un relevant in real world.
 
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Android will IMO be the major player if it isn't already. Maybe some lags here and there.

When you get buy on get one free phones or totally free phones and it all works who cares what they run as long as everything works?

In the who is ahead race there is always a time delay.

Starting July ios5 may be ahead and by September Android will have copied the ios 5 ideas they deem good into Android.

Apple does the same the other way around (Notifications)

Not every creative idea needs to be restricted to ONE company:)


The Notification thing is a myth.
It was available on unlocked Iphones long before Android had a notification application.

Apple hired the person who did the original app for Iphone. So Apple payed to get the idea.

Android is just like PC with Win7. It is good enough. If people never have used an Iphone, they don't know what they are missing and are happy with their 99 dollar phone.

I have never seems such a fanatic following as people who use Android. They scare me.
 
too little too late, the korean reverse engineer the chips, and probably able to release their own A5 chip soon.
That is good news, that mean i will be travelling to taiwan more than korea now. I rather go to taiwan, i work with vendor for both company.
 
too little too late, the korean reverse engineer the chips, and probably able to release their own A5 chip soon.
That is good news, that mean i will be travelling to taiwan more than korea now. I rather go to taiwan, i work with vendor for both company.

Why do they need to reverse engineer it since Samsung have an ARM license?
 
Except when that competitor is one of the best parts manufacturer around for certain parts you need to make your wonder phone.

I think it is funny people acting like this will hurt Samsung. Apple is like 5% of Samsung business. It is safe to bet Samsung will have zero issue replacing that lost considering that those parts are in general shortage. Chances are Samsung could make even more money selling to someone else instead of being undercut by Apple.
Heck it is being spun but it could easily be that Samsung was not willing to as low as Apple demanded in cost and more or less said "There's the door".

Lets see it might be 3 companies that replace that 5% but still no real lost.
 
Nothing uneasy about it. I think one of the biggest misconceptions people have about the law is that it is personal. It's not. We get upset when we hear about these lawsuits and we assume the companies involved are as upset as we are. They're not. This is just how business is done in today's world. It's a shame, but it's the way it is.

So while it would be nice to not have to deal with the legal expenses that come with this way of doing business, I have little doubt that Samsung and Apple get along just fine. Their legal teams are busy arguing against each other in court, but even they probably share a beer afterward. Meanwhile the executives are quite busy making deals with each other.

I'm going to have to disagree with you a bit on this one. I'm a business attorney, and I can tell you that while it is true that the lawyers are probably having a beer afterwards, the actual parties rarely understand the concept that the law (and litigation) isn't personal. Of course, I deal with much smaller clients, so it's possible that two sophisticated companies like Apple and Samsung might share your (and my) view that it isn't personal... but I'd be surprised.

I think it's more likely that the two entities have continued working together because a) they're still under contract, and b) they wouldn't be able to transition to new deals fast and painlessly enough to ensure that the supply chain doesn't get hindered. As soon as a) and b) are no longer true, they will both be looking for new partners.

Just my humble opinion, though.
 
If you look at the entire Samsung chaebol it's far far far less than 5%.

true. It would better put like 5% of Samsung semiconducting business.

Apple has a reputations of being very bullish in terms of getting parts. I could easily see Apple walking away from Samsung no matter what the legal matters were. Apple has no problem burning bridges with companies right now. That is fine if you want to get things cheaper just hope you never need them again in the future.
 
Intel's processed is optimized for higher speed parts. Using them would be a mistake. From experience, I can tell you that a
company that sells its own parts and allows others to use its fab is going to optimize things for its own use, and is going to prioritize its own parts.

Intel optimized for higher speed?

Just FYI. X86 have never been the fastest CPU.
Look at SPARC, UltraSPARC, IBM Power, powerPC and so on.
IBM sells chips clocked a 5ghz and with 4 cores/16 threads.

Intel is optimized to do IntelX86 chips. They even can't do a fast Itanic chip.

If Intel went crazy and started to sell wafers for other to buy: Intel have great manufacturing technique. But any ARM chip produced by Intel with 3D gates have to be drastically redesigned. Something that takes years, not weeks. Especially since ARM cores are not designed for it.
 
Android is still the fastest growing OS by far and Iphone on Verizon has been an embarrasment for everyone involved so far, but lets not let facts get in the way of your delusional Apple worship.

I've not actually seen the figures but the size of the OS is not directly linked the hardware growing at the same rate. Remember that. But it is difficult to compare Apples with Apples.
 
I think it is funny people acting like this will hurt Samsung. Apple is like 5% of Samsung business. It is safe to bet Samsung will have zero issue replacing that lost considering that those parts are in general shortage. Chances are Samsung could make even more money selling to someone else instead of being undercut by Apple.
Heck it is being spun but it could easily be that Samsung was not willing to as low as Apple demanded in cost and more or less said "There's the door".

Lets see it might be 3 companies that replace that 5% but still no real lost.

5% may be high, but it is more revenue then say their entire mobile phone division..Apple is not easily replaced, who will replace them as a CPU fab customer? Maybe Samsung itself will use that capacity in 10 years.
 
If you look at the entire Samsung chaebol it's far far far less than 5%.

All parts that Apple buys from Samsung this year is valued between 7.5 billion to 10 billion dollars.

This is about 7.5% of Samsungs revenue.

Of course it is a huge blow to Samsung if Apple leaves.

For example AMD: They have a revenue of 6 billion per year. Apple ALONE buys more parts from Samsung then AMD has in revenue.
 
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