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Apple Set to Shift From Samsung to TSMC for 'A6' Chip Production Next Year?
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I understand, but the point is that higher voltage brings more problems than just higher frequency, namely things like punchthrough and higher saturation velocity (which is going to feed into electromigration).
You tuned the overclockability? Specifically higher or limited it to control target demographic and price strata?
Ah, but higher frequency is accompanied by faster slews, which result in higher electric fields and, often, ringing, which leads to more punchthrough
heh heh. No one tunes the overclockability. We design it to go as fast as we can, then some folks in asia bin the things using some magical voodoo formula that we know nothing about.
Ah, but higher frequency is accompanied by faster slews, which result in higher electric fields and, often, ringing, which leads to more punchthrough
I didn't think about that. You got me
Of course, which is why I was asking what about "flaky" you actually designed because it confused me.
I didn't think about that. You got me
Of course, which is why I was asking what about "flaky" you actually designed because it confused me.
If you use the chip and something flaky happens, that was all me.
3:1 actually. But maybe that's just because people actually browse the web more with iOS - even without Flash. Who knows?
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?spider=1&qprid=8
Samsung can pretty much "match" the specs and the design of Apple devices well ahead of other manufacturers due to its advantage of being the supplier of the most important component (the CPU+GPU among others) of the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch, and that's exactly why they have a huge lead in sales numbers even compared with strong competitors like HTC, Moto, etc.
I really want to see what phones will they make after they have lost the supplier contract from Apple... then we will know clearly if they have "copied" Apple or not!
I really want to see what phones will they make after they have lost the supplier contract from Apple... then we will know clearly if they have "copied" Apple or not!
Again, Samsung are still the largest corporate entity on the planet. Their electronics business is just ONE of their businesses. They own: groceries (where they started out), refineries, shipperies, construction companies, skyscrapers, investment firms, insurance, hotels, shopping malls, amusement parks, household electronics, apartments, and a LOT more.
The continued talk of Samsung as down and out without Apple is silly. Sure, it won't help business or their image (not that they has a good image in their home country among concerned citizens), but it is hardly a flea bite in comparison.
Apple are huge in tech. They have NOTHING else. Samsung are among the largest in the world in EVERY market they are in.
The continued talk of Samsung as down and out without Apple is silly. Sure, it won't help business or their image (not that they has a good image in their home country among concerned citizens), but it is hardly a flea bite in comparison.
Apple are huge in tech. They have NOTHING else. Samsung are among the largest in the world in EVERY market they are in.
Come to papa my little sweet Arm A6
This also means that we can put to rest any iPad 3 this year
From what I have read in other news outlets here is the big deal so it may not be because of what people are thinking.
Currently, iPad 2 configured A5 processor by the Samsung 45-nanometer process production, rumor that Apple with TSMC will produce the next generation A6 ARM CPU with 28-nanometer process. Plus possible Quadcore specs.
Either way the iPad 3 will rock till you drop, perfect I will have now two ipad one just for my jukebox and the other for everything else, I am in paradise come next year.
This also means that we can put to rest any iPad 3 this year
From what I have read in other news outlets here is the big deal so it may not be because of what people are thinking.
Currently, iPad 2 configured A5 processor by the Samsung 45-nanometer process production, rumor that Apple with TSMC will produce the next generation A6 ARM CPU with 28-nanometer process. Plus possible Quadcore specs.
Either way the iPad 3 will rock till you drop, perfect I will have now two ipad one just for my jukebox and the other for everything else, I am in paradise come next year.
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Yeah - Samsung is also one of the biggest mobile phone makers, and it's getting into tablets. Those are areas where "not being able to see Apple designs early" will hurt them.
The washing machines and groceries are safe
This also means that we can put to rest any iPad 3 this year
From what I have read in other news outlets here is the big deal so it may not be because of what people are thinking.
Currently, iPad 2 configured A5 processor by the Samsung 45-nanometer process production, rumor that Apple with TSMC will produce the next generation A6 ARM CPU with 28-nanometer process. Plus possible Quadcore specs.
Either way the iPad 3 will rock till you drop, perfect I will have now two ipad one just for my jukebox and the other for everything else, I am in paradise come next year.
I highly doubt a quad core. Most likely it will largely be a 28nm die shrink of A5 with a modest clock bump, much like the A4 was to the 3GS SoC. The power savings will be passed onto the power hungry LTE radio. Then with A7 we get eagle cores with a sgx 6xx GPU.
With nVidia shipping Tegra 3 as a quad core SoC late '11, 2012 will be the year of quad core SoCs and Apple is going to hop on that with A6, that's a high probability.
There seem to be some genuine CPU designers here that I hope can provide some real technical insight.
If we take a totally hypothetical date of a 30th April 2012 for first ship date on the first A6 device (iPad 3?) and make some reasonable assumptions on A6 complexity then what would be the very rough timescales for A6 development, in particular (in forward chronological order) tapeout for first silicon, first silicon back to lab, and then final tapeout for volume production?
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Samsung can pretty much "match" the specs and the design of Apple devices well ahead of other manufacturers due to its advantage of being the supplier of the most important component (the CPU+GPU among others) of the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch, and that's exactly why they have a huge lead in sales numbers even compared with strong competitors like HTC, Moto, etc.
I really want to see what phones will they make after they have lost the supplier contract from Apple... then we will know clearly if they have "copied" Apple or not!
That post shows how much you don't know about the current mobile industry and how it relates to Apple vs the competition.
If anything, Apple is late in the game on specs. Samsung have been using their own processor, dual core, before the A5 was shipped and announced, same as Motorola and others. Cortex A9 is not an Apple design and it was with us before Apple.
Samsung also doesn't use Apple's display technology in their phones, which is ancient LCD compared to their AMOLED stuff or SLCD that other industry players use.
Apple is a bit behind the curve on specs, this won't change anything for Samsung on the highly subjective "copying" front.
Samsung (along with the other chaebols such as LG and Lotte) has the South Korean government to thank for the bulk of those "achievements."
Given the choice, do you really think Everland (Samsung's copy-and-paste job of an amusement park) would stand a chance if there was a Disneyland built in Korea?
The iPhone has only been around in Korea for about 2 years due to "government regulations" which gave Samsung time to copy the iPhone and sell their copy to a basically captive South Korean market.
And who pays for the discounted Samsungs sold outside South Korea? Look at the prices South Koreans pay for a Samsung product domestically with how much it sells abroad and they're shocked they have to pay more for a "home-grown" brand.
Looks like that changed earlier this month:
Samsung tips 28-nm, low-power process
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4216675/Samsung-tips-28-nm--low-power-process-
There may be other factors involved as well, such as differences in caching schemes.
Looking at the actual number of units sold we see a different picture, with a steady long-term trend:
Oct. 2010:
Android sales overtake iOS in the US (for real this time)
http://unplugged.rcrwireless.com/in...es-overtake-ios-in-the-us-for-real-this-time/
Oct. 2010:
Android Revenue Exceeds iPhone Ad Sales; iPad Up 316 Percent In Q3
http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/19/mi...ds-iphone-ad-sales-ipad-up-316-percent-in-q3/
Nov. 2010:
Gartner: Android Tops iOS in 3Q 2010 Global Smartphone Market Share
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/11/1...os-in-3q-2010-global-smartphone-market-share/
Dec. 2010:
Android activations now number over 300,000 daily, Andy Rubin tweets
http://www.androidcentral.com/android-activations-now-number-over-300k-daily
Feb. 2011:
Gartner: Android OS Sales Trump iOS And RIM, Grew 888 Percent In 2010
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/09/ga...-trumps-ios-and-rim-grew-888-percent-in-2010/
April 2011:
Nielsen: Android overtakes iOS in desirability, sales in the US
http://www.mobile-arena.com/2011/04/nielsen-android-overtakes-ios-in.html
May 2011:
Android beats Apple iOS in market share
http://www.silicon.com/technology/m...oid-beats-apple-ios-in-market-share-39747427/
June 2011:
Google: 500,000 Android devices activated each day
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20074956-17/google-500000-android-devices-activated-each-day/
Sure, the methods used to account for those number differ with each source, and perhaps the Google numbers may be suspect. But there's enough consistency in the trend to assume that the basic premise is true: Android currently has roughly twice the market share as iOS.
Google numbers more than likely are your best source as it relates to activations and does not count anything in the channels.
Also does not count the crapletes out there that run "Android" but do not meet Google's requirements to even have access to the market or Google's services.
While they are running Android they are not counted by Google.
And if you look at product roadmaps, very few other SoC manufacturers have quad cores in their roadmaps. Not TI. Not Qualcomm nor Samsung. Nvidia is pretty much the only one with the clear intent for the smartphone and tablet market. Last I checked Marvell had one planned, but not for mobile devices. (same is true for Qualcomm. They have quad core planned, but without radio in chipset, which means not intended for mobile devices)
Nvidia is out for the performance crown, just like with their GPUs. It's not clear there's even a market for mobile quad-cores yet. Thus, I don't expect Apple to go quad core soon, certainly not with Cortex A9 cores. They just went quad core in their high end laptops.
Not true. A5 launched before Orion (sorry, Orion was codename, SoC is called Exynos), which is used in the Galaxy SII and Galaxy Tab 10.1, both of which clearly launched after the iPad 2.
Actually, Apple utilizes IPS displays in their mobile displays, which offers superior viewing angles and color accuracy compared to normal TN panels. SLCD's main feature point is less light bleed, but it's still inferior to AMOLED in contrast, so it's not much for writing home about. The iPhone 4 still retains the highest ppi of any major phone display out there, so I wouldn't say they are behind any curve.
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Well, it was definitely demoed way before. As for shipping in actual products I'm not sure.
Anyone else excited what the upcoming Kal-el chip will do for mobile markets?
Tegra 2 was, but he was referring to Samsung's next generation SoC, Exynos, which didn't launch until The Galaxy S II launched in May. Samsung also didn't use the Tegra 2 until May. (A tegra 2 SII version exists).
As for Kal-el, we need to wait for design wins first. Tegra 2 was lucky to be a google reference chip for Android 3.0, but if power consumption is high on Tegra 3, people may shy away from it.