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As another poster said, I’d like to see functional LTE first before 5G. My old 6S Plus always loaded web pages and other data when the status bar said LTE or even 4G. My crappy iPhone XS Max will sometimes show 4G instead of LTE or even the fake 5Ge, but when I see 4G, it basically means no internet connectivity. It’s not an at&t issue since my old 6s plus never had this issue, and my mother’s 6s doesn’t have this problem. Even after having apple swap my phone under warrant, the issue remains. I’m convinced it’s due to either a horrible modem or a bad antenna design.
 
By 2022, I think that’s a little too late. By 2022 others would have started working on 6G! Apple’s falling behind. Sad.
What are you talking about? 5G literally hasn't rolled out and in 3 years, will probably just be widespread enough to make sense. Right now, it's essentially useless and you're already talking about 6G.

You have no clue what you're talking about or what's necessary for a nationwide network rollout.
 
Meh. Not interested in 5G.

Who cares how fast the “last mile” to your phone is if the delay in getting data is the server at the other and?
 
That's great that they're designing their own modem.

I think what's missing is... from an actual engineering perspective, having full control over the software and hardware provides a big advantage when it comes to mobile devices since you can optimize for certain constraints much better (namely performance and power). Not to mention, coordination between teams internally is easier and such without dealing with the non-engineering fluff that comes with dealing with another company.

I think Apple's leadership has taken the advice from their engineering leadership very wisely in the way they design and sell their hardware products (mobile devices that is).
 
As another poster said, I’d like to see functional LTE first before 5G. My old 6S Plus always loaded web pages and other data when the status bar said LTE or even 4G. My crappy iPhone XS Max will sometimes show 4G instead of LTE or even the fake 5Ge, but when I see 4G, it basically means no internet connectivity. It’s not an at&t issue since my old 6s plus never had this issue, and my mother’s 6s doesn’t have this problem. Even after having apple swap my phone under warrant, the issue remains. I’m convinced it’s due to either a horrible modem or a bad antenna design.
its absolutely the intel modem, i had similar situation where when signal is decent the sped is fantastic, but whenever i go to a basement or parks that have trees, where signal is 1-2 bars on my previous qualcomm iphone, i got no signal whatsoever on intel iphone
 
I don't get all the moaning about not having 5G - I see it on many forums for all brands. I'd be delighted if I ever managed to get 4G reliably.

I suggest that most manufacturers phone specs are plenty for the majority of users now. Improving the price and workflow integration (and always, camera quality) are all I am looking for now really.

Macbook Pro's on the other hand... (yeah, I went there).

I really don't get all the bemoaning about USB-C a standard with inferior hardware and splintered standards. Tell me again what's to like!?

In reply to the poster you quoted.
 
2022 is not aggressive, given its already a tech company with the largest cash in the world and they bought intel 5G modems.

Also, 4G can easily reach 100Mbps which is fiber-like speeds without the downsides of 5G tech. 5G is nice but maybe still not ready, I am betting they released it to create a new wave of purchasing upgrades world wide.
You can force spend R&D but it's really hard to throw money at high-uptime hardware.
 
Honest question. What is the main advantage of 5G? Is it simply speed?

While more speed for a single device likely wouldn't be noticed if you already have a good 4G even a really good 3G connection. The real advantage is you aren't the only person connecting. The 5G tower can handle more load. So, while all your neighbors are streaming Netflix on their phones, ditching hardlined internet for their house, adding more smart devices. The network can better handle the expected increase in load.
 
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Tbh 3G was fast enough for me. What I’d like to see is Apple working toward lower prices. Their Pro iPhone doesn’t even have a USBc port and still retails for €1,179 in my country for the 64 GB version. I shudder to think what an Apple car might cost. And parts?
I’d imagine Apple would try to take on Rolls Royce pricing only there cars will be built in a sweat shop factory in China.. not hand built with exquisite detail.
Totally agree on your comment though, LTE is perfectly fine for me, just would like a better signal on the iPhone..
 
Having one cable for all of your devices is amazingly advantageous.

MacBook, iPad Pro, iPhone - All same charger. That's the way to be.
Lol, that would make sense if we lived in a world where even 1 or 2% of iPhone users also had both a latest gen iPad Pro & a MacBook from the last couple of years.
At this point you’re calling for inconveniencing 99% to placate the 1%.
Serves YOU, sure- maybe everyone else, not so much.
 
While more speed for a single device likely wouldn't be noticed if you already have a good 4G even a really good 3G connection. The real advantage is you aren't the only person connecting. The 5G tower can handle more load. So, while all your neighbors are streaming Netflix on their phones, ditching hardlined internet for their house, adding more smart devices. The network can better handle the expected increase in load.
Bad analogy, because it would imply no one has home broadband and Wifi routers.
It’s more for cars and when people are away from home.
 
Lol, that would make sense if we lived in a world where even 1 or 2% of iPhone users also had both a latest gen iPad Pro & a MacBook from the last couple of years.
At this point you’re calling for inconveniencing 99% to placate the 1%.
Serves YOU, sure- maybe everyone else, not so much.

We live in a world where almost every computer has a USB-C power cable so....
 
I don't get all the moaning about not having 5G - I see it on many forums for all brands. I'd be delighted if I ever managed to get 4G reliably.
4G is fast enough for me, I would rather carriers improve their current network rather than rush 5G.

From all my research on mobile 5G, LTE will be use by the majority of people in the US for many years to come, and carriers will continue to improve of their 4G networks.

5G mobile is just hype right now, and way over blown. It will take a very long time for 5G coverage to be widespread enough to be utilized often.

We will still be using LTE for a long time to come.

Even in 2022 the 5g coverage will most likely be still so spares who cares. I honestly believe that 5g wont become relevant for another half a decade.
Maybe even longer.

I think that 5G mobile is really just hype right now, and people are thinking that is just a replacement for 4G, which it isn't.

On the other hand, I think 5G Fixed Wireless Access is a really big deal, and will have a much greater impact that 5G mobile will in the next decade.

But, hardly anyone is talking about it.
 
5G modem in the iPhone in two years? That sounds about right. Maybe the 5G rollout by AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile combined will cover a third of the U.S. by then. I really hope Apple decides to get into the MVNO business in the next couple of years and offers something akin to Google Fi. Sure, Google Fi works on the iPhone now, but the experience is lackluster compared to the experience on the Pixel hardware.
 
5G is sooooooo pointless,
No it's not.
I agree that it isn't exactly pointless.

It's just going to take time for widespread adoption.
And I agree with this, and judging by everything I have been reading about it, 5G mobile will never be as widespread as 4G.

It's a huge upgrade over 4G
This is were I have to disagree.

5G has huge disadvantages to 4G.

I would call 5G Mobile a different technology than 4G, and its uses will be different that 4G, but to say it is a huge upgrade to 4G implies that it is better that 4G, which in many ways it is worse.
 
Why are all of these comments about 5G so shortsighted? 2G was good enough until it wasn’t. 3G was good enough, until it wasn’t. Why would you not want progress?
 
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How the hell is this agressive?

They just purchased Intel's mobile department. Surely Intel had been working on and had ready to ship samples of 5G modems? This is just more bluster so that they have an excuse to not upgrade the internal for another few years.

Agressive announcment would be aiming for 1 year, not 3.

If this is Apple's idea of aggressive, it goes a long way to explaining the speed at which they don't bother p update many products.

The Modem Intel had were specific to Intel's Foundry. You simply cant copy and paste the design to TSMC or Samsung and expect it to work. And hence the whole lengthy negotiation between Apple and Intel, since this modem design is pretty worthless to most other Mobile Phone manufacturers. Apple will likely start from scratch and only brings small pieces and IP from previous Intel Modem.

Not to mention Intel Modem has small x86 Core inside which you can guess is likely not part of the deal given to Apple.

Honest question. What is the main advantage of 5G? Is it simply speed?

I am going to copy my answer from another post https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what’s-the-point-of-5g.2164494/post-27576814

Freakonomics101 said:
Other than higher speeds, why spend all that money on 5G when it can be used to make LTE even better and stronger?
Because 5G is exactly what you said, a better and stronger LTE.

Isn’t 5G going to reach even shorter distances?
The 5G that everyone hypes about, is only one part of 5G called mmWave. Using 26/28Ghz Spectrum giving you super speed at short distance within clear line of sight. It is exciting to media because it gives you to potential to have 2Gbps speed, and since they are short distance they are less likely to be congested like cell tower. And it is really good at show casing.

The other part of 5G is what you don't often hear about, partly because it is boring. You have a new Air Interface called NR, that work across from low band frequency all the way up to 60Ghz. And there are many more spectrum available, like the new 3.5Ghz. There is better LAA, MU-MIMO, Small Cell Support, Network Slicing, Lower Latency, Super Low Latency Mode called URLLC, ( Which is what the media constantly bagging on about 1ms, are not going to be used in your general purpose mobile network as it is for special usage only. ). Many of these ( if not All ) exist in one form or another in the later part of 4G or 4.5 / 4.9G. They are just iterative improvements. Much like how you upgrade from 4G to 4.5G, and 4.5G to 4.9G.

So the reality is, 5G is exactly what you asked for, a better and stronger 4G.
 
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Who exactly cares about USB C port on iPhone ? I can’t see any advantage in leaving lightning now.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’d really like to see a switch to USB-C. The ability to act as a USB host has enabled a lot of cool use cases on the iPad Pro (external storage, peripherals, etc). Getting on common charging connector for Android and iPhone devices would simplify things a lot. I don’t know about you, but people ask me to borrow chargers a lot and there’s always a shuffle afterwards to find out who has a USB-C cable to plug in to my charging brick since they have an Android device, and the. If the cable is USB-C to USB-C it won’t plug into my USB-A brick, etc.

Not a big motivator, but it would be nice to see some standardization across the board. I’m not going to buy a new phone explicitly for it, but it would be a factor in the decision to upgrade if it was time (the same way wireless charging was when I bought my 8).
 
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