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I'm so curious what this means for the secondary housing markets a lot of those workers moved to. Places like Boise, Coeur D'Alene, Bend, etc have rocketed up in value in the past 2 years, and you see tons of California plates in those places now. You have to imagine a lot of them were from Silicon Valley.
 
Anyone complaining about this clearly hasn’t been using apple products the last two years. They absolutely need to get people back in the office seeing as how SOOOO many silly bugs have been plaguing products since iOS 13.
Apple products have been getting buggier and buggier every year after Tim took over. It hasn’t just happened in the last two years.
 
Still not understood that productivity goes up but development goes down when in person meetings is canceled.
 
This isn’t new or related to them working remote. The inconsistencies have been going on for 10+ years. Just look how long it took to get different flag colors in Mail on iOS. Even before working remote it seemed as if no one who worked on MacOS saw what iOS was doing and the other way around. “Old schoolers” will say it’s because their not in the same building, but that has nothing to do with it. It’s the team leads and managers not doing their job and making sure everyone is on the same page of development.

That may or may not be so, but in my experience everything has gotten a lot worse in the last two years.
 
You’re kidding right?
Is it cool to blame something that hasn't been proven? Non stop people are complaining that working from home is what causes the buggy software, but is there proof to this? There IS however, proof that iOS and macOS versions prior to working from home were buggy as well. So is it really working from home that is the issue?
 
I never said remote work was responsible - and I definitely said that I'm a huge proponent of remote work. I was saying that if Apple pulling people back into the office resolves this, as a user of this (bad) software I will breathe a sigh of relief. Even though I know it's possible to ship quality software while working remotely, and strongly believe in a future where remote work is the first choice for any roles that support it.
And if it doesn't resolve it? Apple has had buggy software for years pre-work from home. I really don't understand the constant comments on "going back to the office will fix this" or "working from home is the cause of the bugs". I encountered a lot of bugs as far back as Leopard and Lion, and I experienced the Snow Leopard delete user data bug too - back when you had to pay for the upgrade.
 
My company has started 'return to office'. They claim it's to be more 'collaborative' but when they moved us to open seating prior to Covid, it was the complete opposite. A noisy, crowded workspace where everyone had headphones on and ignored each other. From assistants to CEOs. People were miserable, many quit.

The real reason? They need asses in seats to get their tax kick-backs and to meet their lease agreements, which are probably long-term. We are more collaborative now more than ever. We can just hit one button to have a meeting, versus searching for a conference room, which were always scarce in this kind of setup since there weren't any private offices or even cubes to have quick meetings. You'd have to go into a tiny phone room to make a personal call - they were always occupied.

They are (currently) not forcing people to go back - they are just asking that teams start with one day per week. I said, no thanks, and decided to just go in when it suited me best and only when I feel comfortable to do so (vendor lunches, team gatherings, and so on).

We've never been more productive, and we've doubled in size and revenue over Covid. They made the mistake of hiring out of state and allowing some employees to be remote full time, and also allowing the unvaccinated to continue remote full time, so I and many others have used this as leverage. You can't have different rules for different people. So I am not forcing my team to do anything - until I am told otherwise.

The company is getting way more out of us now than they would if we went back to that awful work environment. I think one day per week is all I would agree to, or I'd start to look elsewhere.


I can relate to a lot of this. Yes it's quite hilarious how all companies started switching over to the open office setup in the years leading up to covid and now thats the worst setup.

Yes I think a lot of this boils down to the companies situation with commercial real estate. The only thing companies care about is money. In Apple's case they can't sell it so the want people in there. On the flipside if a company got out of a lease or sold their building during the pandemic they are VERY likely to be pro remote work because at the end of the day they will save more money over any productivity loss. And to be quite frank there was tons of non productivity when employees were in full time in the office at every company I have ever been at.

My personal main issue with going back in the office is that I moved and the amount of money I am saving is substantial. It literally makes no financial sense for me to go back in and truth is my company is global and I've always had lots of coworkers in different countries so there is no reason that I should even have to be in. Also add in inflation is terrible right now, oil prices are rising, my yearly raise I received last week doesn't even keep up with the inflation rate. The idea that I have to spend money and time just to show up at the office is not logical to me at all.
 
Ah thanks for that. Even worse, though, it does exactly the same thing??
When accessing the relevant option from the Haptic Touch menu on a link, one activates the new tab when you open it, the other opens it in the background and leaves you on your current tab.

I personally prefer background so I can open a few links from a page/article at once and then check them out later etc
 
It really drives me crazy with the attitude if you are working from home, you are not working. The usual attitude lately is "its time for people to get back to work".....uh we have been working every day for the last two years FROM HOME.

I just saw this too.

 
I guess if I ever had the chance to work at Apple (not that I’ll ever be qualified for such level, only Meta has contacted me ?) and be forced to live through the taxes, traffic, homeownership and homelessness hell of California I would have to do a hard pass on that… I guess Texas here I come, one day ?.

For those that insist that wfh doesn’t work… maybe, but take into account that product delays, launch failures and chaos has been happening WAY before wfh was a thing.
The most successful people I happen to know get surprised when I express how great of a success and blessing wfh has been for me, and they just shrug “really? I have been doing this for at least the last 15 years”… if their quarter or half a million dollars a year isn’t a successful work from home story, then well, fine… by all means YOU go back to the offices but don’t bring down others well-being.

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What the, where’s the dislike button… I can only “like”, “be surprised”, “laugh” amongst others or be angry… so I can’t express myself anymore with a calm rational dislike, I have to go all the way and look like a grumpy angry person.

Ok, fine:
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  • blanket forcing of making people go back ??
  • removal of dislikes or further censoring of expression ???
Bunch of comments disabled on threads on things that are not even really political but actual new products, now can’t dislike, censoring much MR?
 
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If you want to live in Texas, Apple already has a large presence in Austin, and is building another large campus there. But go quickly, housing prices in Austin are rising quickly, and from what I hear, traffic is no picnic either. Plus, well, Texas.
 
As mentioned a lot of what some work on is awkward to do from home, especially hardware engineering which has likely delayed product announcements.

Thomas Edison worked from home. Saying that something is “mentioned” and “likely” does not necessarily make it true.

The argument against home officing resembles the argument against online education and remote learning. The education establishment insists that sitting in a lecture hall with 500 other students listening to whoever the department assigned to teach Physics 111 this year is somehow superior to watching an online lecture by one of the world’s best professors, but they never actually explain why.
 
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Thomas Edison worked from home. Saying that something is “mentioned” and “likely” does not necessarily make it true.

The argument against home offici g resembles the argument against online education and remote learning. The education establishment insists that sitting in a lecture hall with 500 other students listening to whoever the department assigned to teach Physics 111 this year is somehow superior to watching an online lecture by one of the world’s best professors, but they never actually explain why.
Because being social and being around your peers spurs discussion and is necessary for human sanity. Like the millions of people who met their spouses at college. You cant talk to a wall or hang out with a wall or marry a wall. I mean you could….but then you got WAY bigger problems.
 
Is it cool to blame something that hasn't been proven? Non stop people are complaining that working from home is what causes the buggy software, but is there proof to this? There IS however, proof that iOS and macOS versions prior to working from home were buggy as well. So is it really working from home that is the issue?

I think it’s safe to say that working from home definitely hasn’t helped in the least. iOS 16 being fairly bereft of new features and universal control being delaying until now all point to a slower pace of innovation at Apple that’s likely being exacerbated by the pandemic and people working remotely.
 
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Because being social and being around your peers spurs discussion and is necessary for human sanity. Like the millions of people who met their spouses at college. You cant talk to a wall or hang out with a wall or marry a wall. I mean you could….but then you got WAY bigger problems.

…he says, as he posts his words on an electronic forum accessible through a worldwide computer network connecting billions of people.

You can’t buy irony like that anymore.

It’s not like anyone ever met his spouse through an online dating site, right?

No, the only way to talk to another person is to stand or sit next to himl like our caveman ancestors did. It’s not like anyone invented the telephone or email or Facetime video calls or anything.

?????
 
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In my country, many of covid surges are attributed to clusters in offices, where most people would become lax in their health protocols. I mean seriously, covid taught us to wash our hands, but how many of you guys do it? And without masks in closed office quarters, well, the science is obvious.

But since the US government doesn't seem to have any concrete plan for the pandemic, I guess businesses have to start doing something.
 
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If you want to live in Texas, Apple already has a large presence in Austin, and is building another large campus there. But go quickly, housing prices in Austin are rising quickly, and from what I hear, traffic is no picnic either. Plus, well, Texas.
Yep Austin is getting really expensive. Home sell in a weekend for $100-150K over asking. Prices rising 20-30%/year. Same with Salt Lake, Boise, parts of Florida and Arizona, etc. Tech jobs means a mobile workforce forcing prices up everywhere, and the locals priced out their hometowns.
 
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If you want to live in Texas, Apple already has a large presence in Austin, and is building another large campus there. But go quickly, housing prices in Austin are rising quickly, and from what I hear, traffic is no picnic either. Plus, well, Texas.

Yep Austin is getting really expensive. Home sell in a weekend for $100-150K over asking. Prices rising 20-30%/year. Same with Salt Lake, Boise, parts of Florida and Arizona, etc. Tech jobs means a mobile workforce forcing prices up everywhere, and the locals priced out their hometowns.
This is so out of control, at least currently, and it’s definitely North America wide… Canada also has closures with an insane markup.

For what is worth I did spend the last 2 months and a half in a small city of Texas, McAllen, working from there remotely and it was perfect for me. Also 3 rooms, 1 studio, 2 full bathrooms, large kitchen and living room houses had an asking price of around $220K; and for buying it? exactly that, no markup.
Can totally deal with Texas, maybe the issue is just being burned out of big cities in general for me, so can understand Austin not being that quiet either.

Good to know of Austin though, already had it marked because of a substantial videogames development presence.
 
Nobody is so special that they can't be replaced. With that said, if an employee does not feel comfortable with their own situation then it's between them and their manager to work something out.
 
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