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As I said in a previous reply, I've successfully run Dragon 15 in Windows ARM Insider Preview, under Parallels, on both 8GB and 16GB MacBook Air machines. So yes, it's doable.
Thanks! Did you have to buy a Windows ARM license or can one simply upgrade a licensed copy of Windows 10 x86 to Windows ARM Beta via the Insider Preview?
 
Capital One have significant 10,000+ Mac deployments.

Going to have to call BS on this one. Banking industry is predominately PC. Walk into any branch and you'll see PC as their primary device. Looked at photos of Capital One branches on Google Maps, Yelp, etc. and they're all PC. Only thing I can think of that might be Apple is possibly iPads for customer kiosks.
 
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Going to have to call BS on this one. Banking industry is predominately PC. Walk into any branch and you'll see PC as their primary device. Looked at photos of Capital One branches on Google Maps, Yelp, etc. and they're all PC. Only thing I can think of that might be Apple is possibly iPads for customer kiosks.

Nope, I deal in objective data, not hearsay.

Capital One​

Ryan Kremkau, the director of engineering at Capital One bank, had previous experience in managing thousands of corporate Macs at Expedia and then Nike. The bank now supports 12,000 employee Macs, about a quarter of the total PCs it has in use.
 
GE “will let any GE employee who wants a Mac have one, instead of a Windows PC,” Andrew Orlowski reports for The Register. “GE follows the lead of IBM, which has supplied 100,000 staff with Macs, and has been touting the lower cost of Macs in the enterprise as a result. IBM claimed last year that 40 per cent of Windows users called the IT help desk, compared to 5 per cent of Mac users – a shocking figure. A deployment of 90,000 required only five admins. And although Apple hardware costs much more initially, IBM reckons it is making considerable total cost of ownership savings over a four-year period: some $273 to $543 per Mac.”

With the new M1 Portable Macs that initial cost difference I would imagine disappears compared to a high end PC Notebook.

As far as software is concerned, more and more enterprises are moving to cloud based ERP solutions, where the computer it runs on is no longer relevant. The difference between Office 365 for Mac and Windows is so close these days that for most people it is not an issue. I am a Finance Director and I spend most of my day in Excel spreadsheets / Models. There was a time I would run Excel in a Windows VM, to get better performance, but not any more.

@huge_apple_fangirl says many companies offer choice to employees, and they are often choosing Macs over PC's. GE has got to the point that it is now recommending Mac's over PC's. I am firm believer that the happier the employee, the better work that they do for the company. If using a Mac helps in that and they can do their job with it, why not?

I meant computer that actually run the company not computers issued for employees. As for why go with the PC and not Mac, afaik PCs are much cheaper and you can get like 1/3 the price for a batch of laptops from Lenovo than say MBPs.

In addition, people continue to claim that Windows is still used(and not MacOS or Linux) because of business specific applications and some in-house software and this is why Macs nor Linux are used in the corporate/government.

This is not my arguement, I truly believe MacOS is superior to Windows and everyone should use MacOS. The only downside is that you can not build your own machine where on a PC you can build with whatever your heart desires.
 
I meant computer that actually run the company not computers issued for employees. As for why go with the PC and not Mac, afaik PCs are much cheaper and you can get like 1/3 the price for a batch of laptops from Lenovo than say MBPs.

In addition, people continue to claim that Windows is still used(and not MacOS or Linux) because of business specific applications and some in-house software and this is why Macs nor Linux are used in the corporate/government.

This is not my arguement, I truly believe MacOS is superior to Windows and everyone should use MacOS. The only downside is that you can not build your own machine where on a PC you can build with whatever your heart desires.

I would encourage you to watch this video (start at 1:00:00 in.) JNUC 2019: Celebrating 10 Years, Keynote Day 1 - YouTube

The CIO of IBM speaks specifically how Macs, despite their initial higher cost, drive value at IBM. While there are certainly some financial savings around the TCO of a Mac. IBM's own internal surveys so that Mac users are happier, more likely to stay at IBM, and overall better workers. Now, we now correlation does not equal causation. but there is definitely something here.
 
I would encourage you to watch this video (start at 1:00:00 in.) JNUC 2019: Celebrating 10 Years, Keynote Day 1 - YouTube

The CIO of IBM speaks specifically how Macs, despite their initial higher cost, drive value at IBM. While there are certainly some financial savings around the TCO of a Mac. IBM's own internal surveys so that Mac users are happier, more likely to stay at IBM, and overall better workers. Now, we now correlation does not equal causation. but there is definitely something here.

This is very interesting as the old arguement that Macs are not suitable for the work environment because of price and lack of business-specific-software but this guy from IBM says they give their employees whatever choice they want. I am only going to guess that most work now is done in the browser on the opposite of native apps? Or software is not easily made for multi-platforms... i do not know.

Another surprised thing is that there are about 10% Linux users, in a company like IBM you would think developers/programmers/SysAdmin would be more on the linux side of things still 10% is a significant number for Linux that is surviving on 1-2% desktop market.

Apple continues to try and break into new markets like electric cars and Film production but to me there was always a lot of room to grow into the desktop/business market as they only take about 12-15% market share. They have 80% to grow into and each 1% of that will bring tons of money into the company. Albeit, at this point Apple is growing to being and extremely ubiquitous which I believe is we are creating our own monster, its no longer the little fella fighting IBM.
 
This is very interesting as the old arguement that Macs are not suitable for the work environment because of price and lack of business-specific-software but this guy from IBM says they give their employees whatever choice they want. I am only going to guess that most work now is done in the browser on the opposite of native apps? Or software is not easily made for multi-platforms... i do not know.
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Exactly. They always say history repeats itself. Well, we are going back to the client-server model of the early years of computing. A large portion of software is SaaS (software as a service.) Running in either a web browser or a minimal native client, most of the heavy lifting is done in server farms on the Internet. I haven't run a survey on my client base yet, but the most actively used applications are Chrome, Outlook, and Teams. Since the applications are the same between Windows and macOS, the choice of what device to use comes down to personal preference.

Another surprised thing is that there are about 10% Linux users, in a company like IBM you would think developers/programmers/SysAdmin would be more on the linux side of things still 10% is a significant number for Linux that is surviving on 1-2% desktop market.

Apple continues to try and break into new markets like electric cars and Film production but to me there was always a lot of room to grow into the desktop/business market as they only take about 12-15% market share. They have 80% to grow into and each 1% of that will bring tons of money into the company. Albeit, at this point Apple is growing to being and extremely ubiquitous which I believe is we are creating our own monster, its no longer the little fella fighting IBM.

Apple is trying, but (and I say this as 100% Mac Admin) they are having trouble managing the between personal privacy and enterprise needs. I will use one example that is one of the banes of Mac Admins, forgotten passwords:

Most organizations have moved to some combination of AD, AzureAD, and an SSO provider (Ping, Okta, etc.) With most Windows devices, if a user forgets their password, a L1 tech resets their password in the Cloud and it is sync'd to their local Windows account. All the user needs to do is login using a temporary password provided by the Help Desk.

With macOS, there is NO direct connection between a user's local macOS account and their cloud identity. If a user forgets their login password, it usually requires physical access to the computer or giving the user a secret admin password to allow them to reset their password. This becomes both a headache for both the user and the help desk. While there are some applications (Jamf Connect, NoMAD, etc.) that can tie a user's local account to a cloud identity, but they still can't reset an unknown password.
 
Any company that has a significant engineering department must use Windows. Solidworks, Mastercam, Catia, NX, SolidEdge, the list does on... does not run on M1 Macs, and does not run well under VM. As a matter of fact, what Apple does not want you to know is that they use Windows machines to do the CAD for all of their hardware because none of the leading software runs natively on Macs. Even under Boot Camp Solidworks was a crap shoot. The companies that are contracted to actually make the hardware do the CAM programming on Windows too. Mastercam and its competitors do not run on Macs. I sure wish they did though. Maybe Apple should start buying these companies and porting software over if they are truely wanting to be a go-to business machine.
Have you heard from internal folks that they use PC hardware to do their engineering design? I’ve heard that they use boot camp to do modeling in Siemens NX and to run other Windows based engineering software. If that’s true I don’t know how they’re going to continue with the new Apple silicon machines coming out. I’ve always been super curious to know what PC hardware they use to run Windows (Macs, Dells, Lenovo, etc.).
 
Exactly. They always say history repeats itself. Well, we are going back to the client-server model of the early years of computing. A large portion of software is SaaS (software as a service.) Running in either a web browser or a minimal native client, most of the heavy lifting is done in server farms on the Internet. I haven't run a survey on my client base yet, but the most actively used applications are Chrome, Outlook, and Teams. Since the applications are the same between Windows and macOS, the choice of what device to use comes down to personal preference.



Apple is trying, but (and I say this as 100% Mac Admin) they are having trouble managing the between personal privacy and enterprise needs. I will use one example that is one of the banes of Mac Admins, forgotten passwords:

Most organizations have moved to some combination of AD, AzureAD, and an SSO provider (Ping, Okta, etc.) With most Windows devices, if a user forgets their password, a L1 tech resets their password in the Cloud and it is sync'd to their local Windows account. All the user needs to do is login using a temporary password provided by the Help Desk.

With macOS, there is NO direct connection between a user's local macOS account and their cloud identity. If a user forgets their login password, it usually requires physical access to the computer or giving the user a secret admin password to allow them to reset their password. This becomes both a headache for both the user and the help desk. While there are some applications (Jamf Connect, NoMAD, etc.) that can tie a user's local account to a cloud identity, but they still can't reset an unknown password.

Isn't a native client much better than a web client? So perhaps thats why people still use native software than just in browser. I know native Office is much more responsive and capable than the web version. I also hear a lot of hate for electron apps.

As for the MacOS password issue, ,I see no problem in Apple issuing a MacOS corporate version that has all these tweaks. In fact I remember they used to have some software to manage multiple Macs and so one for schools and small businesses. Its their choice if they want to improve on the product.

EDIT: I wanted to add that from the corporate POV they can also order PC hardware to their exact likings from specific vendors and build their machines, meanwhile with Mac you have to stick with Apple's limited options. For example, they do not have an Nvidia option.
 
Isn't a native client much better than a web client? So perhaps thats why people still use native software than just in browser. I know native Office is much more responsive and capable than the web version. I also hear a lot of hate for electron apps.
A native client is always better than a web version, as least for the browsers we have available now! We'd need something quite different in browsers for them to really compete.
 
A native client is always better than a web version, as least for the browsers we have available now! We'd need something quite different in browsers for them to really compete.

Not sure I entirely agree with you. My take would be more like "A Native application can be better than a Web App". It really depends on the application and what you are trying to do. If what you need is a decent word processor but collaborative work is a must then Google docs is perhaps the best tool. I am not saying it's the most powerful, but multiple people working on the document the same time, nothing beats it. Many large organisations are moving to Google Docs for this reason.

On the flip side I recently was involved in the selection and design of an enterprise planning tool, we choose a product called Anaplan that used your browser as a front end. While it had an Excel like front end for the users, it was significantly more powerful. It felt like a dedicated app, and would not be possible to run locally due to the processing and memory requirements.
 
Not sure I entirely agree with you. My take would be more like "A Native application can be better than a Web App". It really depends on the application and what you are trying to do. If what you need is a decent word processor but collaborative work is a must then Google docs is perhaps the best tool. I am not saying it's the most powerful, but multiple people working on the document the same time, nothing beats it. Many large organisations are moving to Google Docs for this reason.

On the flip side I recently was involved in the selection and design of an enterprise planning tool, we choose a product called Anaplan that used your browser as a front end. While it had an Excel like front end for the users, it was significantly more powerful. It felt like a dedicated app, and would not be possible to run locally due to the processing and memory requirements.

I do not see why a native client can not be used for collaboration and why would Anaplan not be able to run native as my understanding that a native client can process and have better memory than an in-browser app.

A native client is always better than a web version, as least for the browsers we have available now! We'd need something quite different in browsers for them to really compete.

they will probably need something like a new programing language implement in the browser maybe like HTML6 or JavaScript2 or something totally new, but then that will turn the browser an operating system in itself.
 
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