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If making money is now the criterium, sure let him stay and be full of himself.
But I very well remember that Apple’s main goal used to be to make good products that they could be proud of.


That is how they make Money - they make great products that I and millions and millions of other people love. They can be very proud of these products. If you don't like them. I suggest you don't use them. Won't effect them or me in the least. In the meantime, Tim Cook continues to be one of the most successful CEOs on the planet.
 
Also, when a user on the network goes to delete them they don't just sit inn the trash. They completely disappear. Could lead to some mistaken file loss there.
This is how file servers have worked for years. It's not a thing that's specific to Mac servers.
 
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If you really write software using linux/unix based systems (including MacOS) you'd obviously know that a Root security hole such as this is NOT an acceptable "bug". It isn't even really a bug. It's a design error on a fundamental level that should never, ever have been missed by a vendor like Apple. Even children learning Linux today learn the importance of the Root superuser.

Even Apple knows they screwed up big time on this. You're apparently one of the few who for some reason throw it in the same bucket as a broken button or link. And as far as your argument that they hustled to fix it? They broke Root. They don't get a pat on the back for doing that.

Good grief.
Did I ever once mention a Platform? You ASSumed that I am a Mac Dev.

Truth is, after a decades-long career in Embedded software/hardware Development, I am now sentenced to write business software in a Microsoft Environment.

And get off your high horse, and get back to your hobby-horse.

Do you REALLY for one moment think that the company that introduced a UNIX-based operating system, and made it so the "root" user WASN'T EVEN ENABLED FOR LOGIN (UNlike most Unices and Linices) didn't understand the importance of protecting "root access"? Yes, Apple realized that someone really blew a software test. Neither they, nor I, am throwing this in the same "bucket" as a broken button or link. That's why the big apology (which wouldn't happen for a broken button or link) and the nearly-instantaneous fix.

I didn't ask that they get a pat on the back for the initial error. Just for their response. Which was stellar.

Unlike Linux and Unix, who despite the "Many Eyes" meme, let some DOOZIES, like Heartbleed, languish for FAR longer than this (including one (ShellShock) left for 25 YEARS!!!), regardless of whether Apple's root-authentication bug was known for 24 hours or 2 weeks...
 
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I used to be an early adopter, but situations like this (among other reasons) is why I now wait until the last version of the OS to do my upgrade installs - usually in August or September, just before the new version 10.x.0 is released. This September I upgraded from 10.11.6 to 10.12.6 - previous autumn was from 10.10.5 (or 6 - whichever was the last) to 10.11.6. Crap like this is taken care of long before I have to worry about it.....and updates to all my third party hardware and software (that are going to receive updates) have been out for a while and most kinks worked out. These last two upgrade cycles have been the smoothest in years.
 
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So I did the security update yesterday, I did the security update today, on my MBP. I am into the Photos App almost daily, never had any problems before. So today I am trying to edit some recent photos. I go into Photos and there are no photos!!! Waited about 10 minutes, went into Photos again and they’re back. 10 minutes later, gone again and then back later. Now maybe this will settle down in the next few days but I cant help but think it’s tied to the latest updates.
 
Okay - I’ll be upfront here: mine is a Hackintosh but it is currently specwise the same as 2014 iMac 5K:

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...-inch-aluminum-retina-5k-late-2014-specs.html

Mine currently (no dedicated GPU installed until NVIDIA updates their driver) is:
i7-4790k
500GB SSD
32GB RAM
Using Intel iGPU

Here is what my boot looks like:


You can ignore the part with the BIOS logo since that part is skipped on a real Mac; the real equivalent boot time doesn’t start until just before the Apple logo shows up.

And if anything mine should be slower than a real Mac since I have to run a custom bootloader and extra kexts to make it all work.

The main thing is I copied all my data to a HDD, wiped the SSD and set up High Sierra completely from scratch. Using the latest - 10.13.1 with latest security patch. I’m going to be installing it on my moms real MacBook Pro 2015, and see what speed I get there.

That being said - I never had an issue on my 2015 MacBook Pro boot time wise, but Sierra was awfully slow when opening iTunes, Safari, anything heavy. I tried to run a PCB design software on it and it ground to a halt. Certainly didn’t feel like a pro machine! Something does seem to have happened that’s making even newish Macs sluggish.

Thanks for replying - what version are you using? Very psyched to hear that Apple may have fixed whatever was plaguing the initial release. I've been checking in the High Sierra forum to see if I might be able to give it another shot, but there's still an active thread regarding the slow start-up issue. Based on that thread, you have the fastest start-up time ever reported with High Sierra? I didn't know anyone had broken 30 seconds even?

I'm one of Apple's "it just works" fans. I blindly trust Apple to the point that I happily pay almost $3,000 for a laptop that I'm never supposed to open or upgrade. Mine is a late 2013 with the SSD.

Not from you - but just reading the responses on this thread - I honestly don't get the "Apple apologists" here?

Apple controls pretty much absolutely everything. So they have pretty much ZERO excuse for releasing an OS that isn't extremely polished and ready for prime-time. If their engineers are testing a new OS, they can have EVERY machine capable of "officially" running the OS on a long desk. That's supposed to be the whole point, yeah? That's why I'm paying the premium?

If that's no longer the case and the focus is now on facial scanning and Animojis - then I guess it's time for all of us to stop paying the premium and check out Windows 10? If Apple doesn't give a damn about us any more, then they're free to cater to the Animoji crowd lining up outside their stores to buy their latest notch.

I feel like I'm totally screwed anyway - because, in order to continue using a Mac, the NEXT laptop I'm expected to purchase will have some bizarre touchbar that's entirely dependent on an OS that they're too busy to bother with? But hey, it makes sense that they'd focus on silly thousand dollar phones that idiots line up to buy every year. It's that silliness - not their computers - that have made them so profitable.

Thanks for letting me know the startup time has finally been addressed. Once it's more widely reported, I'll be comfortable upgrading my Mac again.

But I was extremely angry - and I think rightfully so - to have experienced ANY ISSUE whatsoever with the initial upgrade.

And I call BS on anyone who defends Apple on any of it - for the reasons I've already stated. Apple has no excuse - other than claiming incompetence and firing whoever didn't check out one of the computers on the "long desk" of Apple machines running their Apple operating system. Seriously?
 
Ah the good old days, when enabling a guest account on Snow Leopard would erase your user data.

No doubt, this latest OS update has been an absolute trainwreck. Apple really dropped the ball. But to say such a rose-tinted statement as yours, especially with your recent join date on MR, just smacks as a little... well, like you read a Jobs biography last week and thought everything was gravy whilst he was CEO. That wasn’t the case.

Thank you, my how short a lot of folks memory's are when it comes to Mac OSX.
 
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After the patch update, is anyone else getting a cloudd and sharingd local keychain auth issue? I'm trying to see if this is related but can't find something exact. TIA
 
So I did the security update yesterday, I did the security update today, on my MBP. I am into the Photos App almost daily, never had any problems before. So today I am trying to edit some recent photos. I go into Photos and there are no photos!!! Waited about 10 minutes, went into Photos again and they’re back. 10 minutes later, gone again and then back later. Now maybe this will settle down in the next few days but I cant help but think it’s tied to the latest updates.
I checked mine because of your post. Unfortunately, for you, mine is working just fine. Sorry.
 
Please explain how this is a contradiction?

So what if someone has never written a line of code in their life? People who pay premium prices for their devices expect a premium product, that includes hardware, software, customer service and support.

I am able to enjoy my Apple products without believing they are deities that do no wrong.

Here buddy, just helped you out.

About the issue being mentioned two weeks ago, there was a link (in this forum) to a developer forum where the root issue was discussed. I can’t be bothered going back to look for it though.

I'm sure Apple indexes dev forums and gets updates on forum posts daily, just like this one. We have bug reports and other means of communication, like private mail, not Twitter :) That puts millions of users at risk, just so one scoundrel can get some publicity.

I think you thought your empty phrasing sounded cool, unfortunately for you it doesn’t.

I'm sure that by simplifying my previous post it will be easier for you to understand now.

By the way, people are free (for the most part) to choose whatever hardware and software they use for work and or play. However this was not in anyway mentioned in my post you quoted.

I was referring to the "PREMIUM" aspect of their devices, which I absolutely consider to be, and I gave you my personal example :)
 
Here buddy, just helped you out.

I'm sure that by simplifying my previous post it will be easier for you to understand now.

It is funny how you appear to truly believe you are clever.

I suggest you spend some time outside and try reading. You will find the exercise beneficial.

By all means feel free to continue posting replies, however I find you boring so I will no longer reply to whatever nonsense you decide to try next.

Cheerio.
 
Years ago, when I’d ask someone “Do you work on a Mac?”, the answer would be a disappointed “Neh, just a normal PC...”
Today, if someone would ask me “Do you work on a Mac?”, my answer would be a disappointed “Bleh, still...”

If I were 10 years younger, I would drop this Emoji brand right this very instant. Bunch of sunbaked losers. Period.

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If making money is now the criterium, sure let him stay and be full of himself.
But I very well remember that Apple’s main goal used to be to make good products that they could be proud of.
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Sorry, you’re wrong. Not “internS”, but like the original post: “intern” :D


So what qulifies as “good products”? I still think  makes the best products in each respective catagory, what is so bad about iPhone compared to androids? What is so bad about iPad compared to other tablets on the market?  Watch vs other smart watches? Mac vs. PC? Apple is still king in my book, and only more so now than ever before. Because they realise OS updates that have a focus on emoji, or because they offer MBP users a way to use the touch bar as an emoji selector, or because they created Animoji, they’re bad? Most people like emoji, plenty of people use them, and Apple knows itm thats why they promote emoji, it sells. It sells just as well as sexy hardware and good software. You apple cynics have complained for as long as I can remember, plenty of it was directed at Steve too. No matter what Apple does, you guys endlessly complain. But no one ever seems to up and leave. Interesting.
 
Fish rots from the head. Enjoy your denial.
But what is rotting? Apple is doing fine, more than fine really. Where is the rot? Because they aren’t emptying the coffers into Pro device dev only? Apple knows what makes them profits, and knows what market to follow. Pro stuff is a niche, one that they are still showing love, a renewed love too since the beginning of this year. Is is because they are more politically active and supposedly an evil “liberal” company now? Apple has always been a left leaning company. Steve stared the environmental Apple we know today, and he partnered with Product RED, a humanitarian charity. Apple now steps us for diversity and multiculturalism, which is wise, considering they are an international company who employ people from all walks of life, around the world. Or is it that they are “too focused on emoji” now? Apple’s user base is majority average consumer, and has been for the better part of the past 15 years.

How is Apple rotting? Where?
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Steve Ballmer also took Microsoft to the peak of market domination, financially Microsoft did exceedingly well and made tons of money during the early years of his tenure. And look what happened to Microsoft after years of small missteps and stalled innovation.

That’s completely different, and a false equivalence to then max. Steve Balmer had like three good years at the helm of Microsoft. 2000-2003 was the best it got for him. Then Vista got delayed, and delayed again, and finally launched as the sh*itshhow it was in 2006. He crapped out a half-baked, crap colored competitor to the iPod. He orchestrated the release of touch-screen, tablet-esque things, that worked so poorly that no one bought them. They made the Xbox, which is a success, that’s one bright spot on his time at Microsoft. And perhaps his only other bright spot was Windows 7, which is what Vista was supposed to be, a full 9 years after XP launched in 2001. He was a pompous ass who laughed at Apple, as they smashed though them. Apple may have a high self-esteem and view of itself, but no one in power at Apple, especially Tim Cook, acts like Balmer.

Also, the Microsoft of the 2000s is nothing like the Apple of the 2010s, hell it was nothing like the Apple of the 2000s. Microsoft was and still primarily is a software company. Other than the Zune, Microsoft really didn’t make any hardware until the Surface lineup they have now. Apple was already a software/hardware company by the time of Steve Balmer, and has only grown (quite exponentially), and is now a software/hardware/services company. Balmer inherited a giant and royally f*cked it all with in a few years. I’m Cook inherited a mega company, and has built it even higher than Jobs had ever envisioned it would ever be.’

Apple still innovates in Apple’s own way, as they always have. Apple hardly ever “invents” anything. they take what they see isn’t working, but could be fanatastic, and mound it into something that changes the way we think and act. Apple is still innovating and pushing boundaries. iPhone X,  Watch, MacBook Pro w/Touch Bar, iMac Pro, AirPods, Apple Pencil, ARkit, etc. This stuff matters, and is forging new ground on what can be and what will be in the world of tech.
 
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Boy, the instantaneous and contrite statement issued yesterday sure sounds like the root authentication bug has caught Apple's attention...

I can only IMAGINE the meetings...

Agreed. I was impressed and proud of Apple for its honest, straight-forward response. Security holes like this destroy a company”s ability to sell to governments and enterprises. Chief Security Officers and CIOs ask themselves, if Apple missed something so obvious, how could they know the deep tech is secure, the less obvious parts of an OS which don’t have interface for people to stumble into.

But the great thing about Apple is you can always rely on them to do the right thing. and so they did. I just hope there is a wake up call with the soft sentiment of the laptops and software holes that they are not jumping to this health-driven techcompany future fast, and need to still invest in the “trucks” of the computing space.
 
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I updated the iMac at work with this Security Update, and immediate saw issues with icons. Certain icons in the Dock (Adobe CC, FontXplorer, others) went from the customized app icon to a generic version (paper, pencil, brush, ruler). Within the Finder windows, which I normally customize with these same icons for quick access, they've not only changed to the generic icon, but clicking on them returns a message that the icons/apps are damaged, and the app does not open.

Later in the morning I had my very first experience with "image retention" where the ghost of an Illustrator document stayed visible through all other apps. I don't know if this is connected, but I was able to fix this using the Apple suggestions (screen saver, etc).

I'm wary of updating my computer at home for fear that these issues will repeat. Anyone else have this issue? I know in the old days (80s, 90s, prior to OSX) there were ways to "rebuild the desktop"; what's the current method, if there is one?
 



Apple this afternoon published a new support document that walks users through repairing their file sharing options on their Macs after installing the 2017-001 Security Update for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1, which was released this morning.


Shortly after the security fix was released and users began installing it, file sharing complaints began surfacing on the MacRumors forums. Affected users saw file sharing fail to authenticate across multiple Macs. From MacRumors reader joedec:According to the document, macOS High Sierra users who cannot access file sharing after installing the security update will need to complete the following steps:

1. Open the Terminal app, which is in the Utilities folder of your Applications folder.
2. Type sudo /usr/libexec/configureLocalKDC and press Return.
3. Enter your administrator password and press Return.
4. Quit the Terminal app.

MacRumors readers who were having file sharing problems have tested Apple's fix and have confirmed that it does indeed work to solve the problem.

Apple issued this morning's security update to address a major vulnerability that enabled the root superuser on a Mac with a blank password and no security check.

The problem has been successfully fixed on machines running macOS High Sierra 10.13.1, the current release version of macOS High Sierra, but Apple has not yet addressed the vulnerability in macOS High Sierra 10.13.2, available to both developers and public beta testers.

Update: Apple appears to have released a revised version of the security update, which is valid for systems running both macOS 10.13.0 and 10.13.1. The revised version may also address the issue in the original version that resulted in file sharing problems.

Article Link: Apple Shares Fix for File Sharing Issues Following macOS High Sierra Security Update

Can you just uninstall or remove 10.13.2 and go back to 10.13.1? 10.13.1 is much better than 10.13.2, what a waste...
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Apple this afternoon published a new support document that walks users through repairing their file sharing options on their Macs after installing the 2017-001 Security Update for macOS High Sierra 10.13.1, which was released this morning.


Shortly after the security fix was released and users began installing it, file sharing complaints began surfacing on the MacRumors forums. Affected users saw file sharing fail to authenticate across multiple Macs. From MacRumors reader joedec:According to the document, macOS High Sierra users who cannot access file sharing after installing the security update will need to complete the following steps:

1. Open the Terminal app, which is in the Utilities folder of your Applications folder.
2. Type sudo /usr/libexec/configureLocalKDC and press Return.
3. Enter your administrator password and press Return.
4. Quit the Terminal app.

MacRumors readers who were having file sharing problems have tested Apple's fix and have confirmed that it does indeed work to solve the problem.

Apple issued this morning's security update to address a major vulnerability that enabled the root superuser on a Mac with a blank password and no security check.

The problem has been successfully fixed on machines running macOS High Sierra 10.13.1, the current release version of macOS High Sierra, but Apple has not yet addressed the vulnerability in macOS High Sierra 10.13.2, available to both developers and public beta testers.

Update: Apple appears to have released a revised version of the security update, which is valid for systems running both macOS 10.13.0 and 10.13.1. The revised version may also address the issue in the original version that resulted in file sharing problems.

Article Link: Apple Shares Fix for File Sharing Issues Following macOS High Sierra Security Update

Can you just uninstall or remove 10.13.2 and go back to 10.13.1? 10.13.1 is much better than 10.13.2, what a waste... (At least Windows makes it easy to remove an unwanted update...)
 
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