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Apple Shares Mac Pro Support Docs and Tutorial Videos on Adding RAM and MPX Modules
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Well those people you know are obviously not “workstation” “pros”, because Apple never sold any workstations before.
but then again someone who is busy posting on forums all day is most likely not knowing much about workstations and their use...
How about some specifics? Not how many bays you need, how much local storage do you need and how fast does it need to be? There a multiple ways of adding internal storage. Here are three:
Promise Pegasus j2i lets you add 2, 3.5" or smaller SATA drives (spinning or SSD).
Promise Pegasus r4i lets you ad 4, 3.5" or smaller SATA drives (spinning or SSD).
Sonnet M.2 4x4 lets you add 4 M.2 NVMe SSD blades.
Again, without any specifics of your needs, it is impossible to know what is required for your "entire digital life".
In the old Mac Pro, one could have up to 6 drives, 3Gb/s SATA. Using RAID 6 that gives a maximum storage from 4 drives (not the most efficient RAID set). In the new machine, one can do exactly the same, but can also support up to 8TB of SSD via Apple's T2 controller (no information yet as to whether anyone else will make compatible media).
10Gb/s connected network storage is likely to exceed your old SATA II internal spinning drives in speed. In addition, it is much easier and more efficient to support RAID 6 with 8 drives, something you could previously only do with external storage.
At the expense of speed and reliability? Running large internal spinning disks in a non-RAID configuration is slow (topping out well below the speed of the interface). An 8 drive external RAID (either connected via Thunderbolt 3, or 10Gb/s Ethernet, 40Gb/s Ethernet or 100Gb/s Ethernet) will be faster, more reliable (no single drive failure is going to be a problem), and, since it can be remote (using either optical Thunderbolt cables or Ethernet), can make your workspace quieter.
As has already been pointed out, you can replace storage in these machines yourself at any point. Even if there is no third party who supports Apple's T2 attached SS media, you have many options.
I have 7 physical drives in my MP 5,1. Four in the bays, two 2.5" SSD on a PCI card , and one NVMe on another PCI card.
You'll have to plan ahead. I'd use the proprietary SSD for the OS and apps only (maintain a bootable clone just in case) and keep my data in either the SATA sled or a PCI card.
Love my 2013 "trashcan" Mac Pro. Still works great and grinds quickly thru most tasks. Wish they would have updated it or offer a scaled down version of the new one for about $2500 because the new Mac Pro at $5000 is simply unaffordable for the 99%.
It does look like SATAWhy isn't there a procedure for replacing/adding SSD (OS procedure for T2)? The T2 lock down!!! If I purchase MP7.1 with basic SSD 256 can I just add another 256 SSD without issues.........
I will be paying a large premium for this computer and I want the control not Apple.
This will be my last Apple MP since they're locking everything down......soon MP will soldered ram/ssd.
Where is the how to replace CPU video?
Retail price of the 28 core cpu is 2999 and Apple charges 7000 dollars just for the upgrade. You can get 1000 dollars easily for 8 core so its 5000 dollars saving for Pros that can not afford pay Apples extremely high mark up cost.
Retail price of the 28 core cpu is 2999 and Apple charges 7000 dollars just for the upgrade. You can get 1000 dollars easily for 8 core so its 5000 dollars saving for Pros that can not afford pay Apples extremely high mark up cost.
Standard M.2 slots would give you more options than yet another Apple proprietary connector.
I really hope there's a technical reason for such an exorbitant markup, but I expect it's just greed. Why charge less when people will still buy it at a higher price? I have to wonder, though, why can you upgrade top 1.5 TB of RAM on only the 24 & 28 core CPUs?
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That, and I'd like to see additional drive slots. I don't care if they're M.2, or 2.5"/3.5" drive slots. Even the 8 TB SSD option sounds like it'll fill up quickly given what this Mac Pro was designed for.
Before anyone says so, yes, I realize we can get those Pegasus drive MPX cards. However there's the rub: it takes an MPX slot. Yes, NAS can help, but some people like having additional local storage.
It might give more options at a decrease in performance and security. The T2 SS controller is much faster and provides device level encryption, adding security.
Not sure where your anger is coming from but I feel like your question was answered the first time. Yes, you can install additional drives in the new Mac Pro, there are currently different methods to do so and there will be more in the future. Can you simply plug in your SSD to the same connectors that the Apple storage is installed in, well, it would appear no, at least not at this time.No the the SSD's that are defined as "storage encrypted by the Apple T2 Security Chip".....
If purchase MP with one 256gb SSD and want to another 256gb SSD.....Can I mirror OS drive for backup, can I install my SSD on MY COMPUTER THAT I PAID $8000+
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I would get in trouble if I installed an approved upgrade to my work computer, even though I am fully capable of doing so.
They don't really want to sell that one to anyone. It's priced that way because it's user upgradeable, and they want to get some money for the upgrade parts you aren't getting from them.
Not everyone needs the security and would rather have the flexibility. I'm one of those people.
To put the price in perspective, in 2013 Cray launched its "budget" XC30-AC supercomputer for $500,000 (550k in today's $) which offered performance at 22 teraflops. The new mac pro w/ AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo offers 28 teraflops.
You responded to half the point (security, not speed), but the response is the same. Apple has always been a company that covers only certain sets of use cases with its products. Dell and HP have probably have more product families than Apple has total SKUs.
What people seem to forget is that design is all about tradeoffs. Adding NVMe slots, takes PCIe lanes that cannot be used for other things, eliminating choices for others. If I want to dedicate them to NVMe sticks I can using a card. If I want to dedicate those to some other use (with a different card), I can. In your configuration, only storage can use those lanes removing flexibility in other ways.
As customers, we have two choices: purchase the machine they make that comes closest to our needs, understanding that it is not likely to be a perfect match, or decide there is nothing that is close enough to work and purchase a product from someone else.
If you want to use standard NVMe SS media, buy the card from Sonnet. I personally like the security provided by the T2 chip.
The retail price is over $7000 for the 28 core.. Apple is using the 'M' Variant (which supports a bucket load more memory).
https://techgage.com/news/following-mac-pro-launch-intel-rolls-out-xeon-w-3000-series-lineup/
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They're actually giving you a deal on the 28 core upgrade... It's less than retail.
You can only get 1.5TB of RAM on the 24 and 28 core models because.... Intel.
https://techgage.com/news/following-mac-pro-launch-intel-rolls-out-xeon-w-3000-series-lineup/
Depending on your needs, either the new Mac Mini or the iMac Pro can likely handle them, often for much less money.
There is nothing they could do with the current design that would get you to your price point:
Building machines that address even smaller sections of the potential user base makes them more expensive, even if they eliminate features.
Do you know if Apple will sell replacements/upgrades for their own storage? And if it is user replaceable (given the right parts). Ignoring the monetary aspect, it is inconvenient to have to ship the machine around.
They have for other machines, but I do not know what their policy is this time. I also know that they have offered onsite service for earlier Mac Pro machines as part of AppleCare, but again, I do not know what the current policy is.
I’m super excited for the folks WAITING FOREVER to get this beautiful, sleek new work-buster!
I’m a lawyer who serves creative professionals and I can’t wait to see what y’all produce with it. I’d love to have one of these - but what on earth would I need so much machine for? Word processing? Online research? Bahahaha 😂 I’ll stick with my MacBook “Pro” ...
I’m a lawyer who serves creative professionals and I can’t wait to see what y’all produce with it. I’d love to have one of these - but what on earth would I need so much machine for? Word processing? Online research? Bahahaha 😂 I’ll stick with my MacBook “Pro” ...
ffs, additional storage or system SSD over Thunderbolt using an external chassis. That is completely modular.
Recommending an Apple card and start selling your kidney.
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That will be another $50K dollars when the new Mac Pro comes out.
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Video game.