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Tim: " We would have packaged a fast charger with the Iphone X, but 432,000 trees would have to be chopped down."
 
Every little bit counts!
I still see this as profits before environment. Great, the packaging impact is reduced...I'm all for that. I'm constantly breaking down my cardboard and other recyclable products for our "blue" bin. However, I feel the great impact is the less repairability of their products as they have emerged the past few years. iMacs used to be easier to repair, now they are glued together. Memory used to be upgradeable, now many products have it soldered in. The repairability index has kept dropping these past years, which means when people are faced with an expensive repair (as opposed to an cheaper repair due to it's repairability index being higher), they opt for a new purchase out of convenience and investment (why invest in expensive to repair older device when you could put in a little more money and purchase a newer device).
I'm a huge Apple fan. I started off with the Mac 512ke (oooh, 800k floppy) and have been a Mac guy since. But I also don't look the other way when they lose their way: Mac OS changes that are less productive (i.e., Labels revamp, loss of color icons in sidebar), the plethora of motherboard designs before Jobs came back, iMac hockey puck, the first Apple Maps, etc.
I get that they are a company, they are to make a profit. And Apple has the cool company panache. It has the right slogans, right marketing to the be the cool company. That doesn't mean everything they do is for the greater good.
 
The plastic box for AirPods was useful, I can't understand why they considered that as a part of the "packaging" that can be replaced with a piece of (useless) folded paperboard.
 
We live in an era where tons and tons of electronics are thrown to garbage which are non biodegradable, and yet we worry about the environmental friendliness of a cardboard box.

But the iPhone itself is more recyclable now then ever before as well. You can sell it to many vendors who will either resell it, or take apart some parts for reselling and recycle the rest. You have to stop people from throwing this stuff out because it IS mostly recyclable now.
 
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Now if Apple would make something less appliance like and more modular (repairable), then we might have a discussion.
What changes do you have in mind that would improve modularity without adding more bulk and more use of materials to every single iPhone? Apple can repair/replace the most common things (broken glass, failing battery, etc.), and it's a more effective use of materials, overall, to send (only) those phones needing more substantial work off for refurbishment, than it would be to add additional compartments and doors to every single iPhone being carried around, on the chance that they might be needed. User-openable hatches add bulk, use more materials, and make it easier for gunk to get into the phone, leading to a higher failure rate. Don't think Apple hasn't considered this carefully.
 
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We live in an era where tons and tons of electronics are thrown to garbage which are non biodegradable, and yet we worry about the environmental friendliness of a cardboard box.
At least they are doing what they can, Apple has no control over what people do with their used electronics. Though they do have trade in programs etc.
 
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I can see that they’re going for environmentally friendly and that’s great, but I always keep my ear pods in the plastic case that came with my 6S, keeps them clean and tidy in my bag.
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But you still have one company (Apple) that's taking measures to think about the environment and what they can do to be proactive about it. Apple can't change the world, but they can change their own practices and methods of altering their packaging contents.
Know what else Apple can do?? PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES AND BRING THE HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS BACK TO AMERICA THEY ARE HIDING OVER SEAS BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO PAY THOSE TAXES.
 
If they are truly keen on building environmentally-friendly products, they need to ditch the older-style power cords and adapters. The newer USB-C style is much better, since the cord is separate from the adapter.
 
We live in an era where tons and tons of electronics are thrown to garbage which are non biodegradable, and yet we worry about the environmental friendliness of a cardboard box.

Here in Canada, we have a very thorough recycling system for most materials and all electronics and appliance. In pretty much any community (at least in BC), you can take your stuff into one of several facilities and drop it off. For BC, garbage is shipped to Washington State where it's burned to generate power.

Sadly, here on Vancouver Island — glass, hard plastics and film plastics (shopping bags, etc.) are quite often left out of this program due to the cost of shipping it to the mainland for recycling. Now, this stuff is just considered garbage.
 
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Not any more........
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Know what else Apple can do?? PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES AND BRING THE HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS BACK TO AMERICA THEY ARE HIDING OVER SEAS BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO PAY THOSE TAXES.
Oh yes. A company that makes money internationally should be forced to pay a ridiculous tax rate to a government in a country where the earnings weren’t.

Define “fair.” Clearly you’re wrong and emotional about it.
 
Apple wants to be environmentally friendly, yet they prevent macbook owners from being able to upgrade them (RAM and storage) and extend its useful life because everything is either soldered or they make it very difficult to do so because they'd rather sell you a new one.
 
Apple wants to be environmentally friendly, yet they prevent macbook owners from being able to upgrade them (RAM and storage) and extend its useful life because everything is either soldered or they make it very difficult to do so because they'd rather sell you a new one.

Exactly my point. The general attitude towards things are being pushed upon us as to buy a new one rather than make it easy to repair it. Or else charge exorbitant amount to repair. I mean 89$ for replacing a phone battery.. come on ! That is when people decide," oh this is costing me more than the phone itself, let's just buy a new one and trash this." And then Apple shows off a puny little box and advertise it as environmentally friendly. Oh i should be so amazed that apple cares so much, because they made a box that is environmentally friendly!
 
Any idea what the impact to the environment is in building that monstrosity Apple mothership? Save the Environment - when it's convenient for Apple and doesn't impact their bottom line.
 
Apple wants to be environmentally friendly, yet they prevent macbook owners from being able to upgrade them (RAM and storage) and extend its useful life because everything is either soldered or they make it very difficult to do so because they'd rather sell you a new one.
So true. Remember this? :(

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Yeah, in three years they will just sell empty box full of air and call it evironmentally friendly
 
If anyone thinks Apple's packaging designs are for environmental reasons and not financial, they need only look at all the landfills packed with iPhones/iPads/Macs that couldn't be repaired because Apple won't sell the tools to fix them and/or because they charge obscene fees to fix said devices.
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But you still have one company (Apple) that's taking measures to think about the environment and what they can do to be proactive about it. Apple can't change the world, but they can change their own practices and methods of altering their packaging contents.

But they DID change the world. THEY'RE the ones that started the trend of making non-repairable electronics.
 
tim cook's apple sucks
too much money, not enough focus.

you know there's problem when they start showing off their packaging cost cutting efforts.
I wonder how many millionaire engineers are at apple right now twiddling their thumbs for stuff to do.
 
We live in an era where tons and tons of electronics are thrown to garbage which are non biodegradable, and yet we worry about the environmental friendliness of a cardboard box.

This. I couldn’t agree more.

You should watch this video. It’s hilarious and sad at the same time.

 
If Apple cared about the environment, they wouldn't have put only 1 USB-C port on the Macbook, thus forcing buyers to go out to buy a dock/dongle for it which comes with all that wasteful packaging. (I'm not even including the shipping box and packaging material for those who decide to buy it online).

If Apple cared about the environment, they wouldn't have eliminated the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone. The 3.5mm to lightning adapter requires more resources to manufacture than just retaining the 3.5mm jack.
 
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All this is great, yet when buying an iMac, you get a shiny box in a cardboard box and in the shiny box there's lots of styrofoam. The packaging of Apple computers create obscene amount of waste. Apple offers no way to buy "bulk" using just brown boxes and as little packaging as possible. Every iMac comes with more packaging than at least 20 iPhones.
 
"Apple Shares Meticulous Steps Taken to Ensure iPhone Packaging is Environmentally Friendly"

Really?

If Apple wants to be environmentally friendly, they should:

- Use wired whatever whenever possible. For instance, for keywords, mice and chargers. Batteries are horrible for the environment (besides a nuisance and pain in the back for the user), and wireless charging is a waste of energy.

- Promote headless Macs and standalone displays instead of all-in-one iMac. CPU may last for seven years, but displays last more than 20 years.
 
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If only they had gotten rid of this 10 year old charger and meticulously packaged a 12 watt instead.
Most people charge only overnight, so the 5W charger is perfectly fine. What a waste it would be to put a 12W charger in every iPhone box; out of 200,000,000 iPhones sold, how many customers would actually benefit?

If you need faster charging for your use case, realize you’re only maybe 1 in 10(guesstimate), and don’t expect the other 90% to subsidize your atypical needs.
 
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