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Look at how big the watch boxes are compared to the size of the watch. Should sell watches without a band and ship the watch faces in iPod Shuffle size boxes. Could pack way more per cargo container.
 
Most people charge only overnight, so the 5W charger is perfectly fine. What a waste it would be to put a 12W charger in every iPhone box; out of 200,000,000 iPhones sold, how many customers would actually benefit?

If you need faster charging for your use case, realize you’re only maybe 1 in 10(guesstimate), and don’t expect the other 90% to subsidize your atypical needs.
Maybe more people would charge their iPhone during the day if they could get it to charge to 70% instead of just ~35% in an hour...
 
Apple wants to be environmentally friendly, yet they prevent macbook owners from being able to upgrade them (RAM and storage) and extend its useful life because everything is either soldered or they make it very difficult to do so because they'd rather sell you a new one.
Not sure how the SSD storage works, but for sure LPDDR3 is not available in a socketed form, it must be soldered.

But realistically, with MacOS the 8GB minimum RAM is sufficient for most users, and the ones who need more know it, and buy 16GB. Personally, I’d like to be able to upgrade, however most users never need to.

Storage to me is different because needs can definitely change over the 5 to 8 year useful life. It would be nice to start low and be able to upgrade when your needs change.
 
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My theory is most people who by Apple stuff don't ditch the packaging because it looks so good, plus they know in a few years when its time to sell it on eBay it make to price better when you have the original box!
 
What has actually changed to deem those old ways "non environment"?

It's still a step in the right direction
 
But you still have one company (Apple) that's taking measures to think about the environment and what they can do to be proactive about it. Apple can't change the world, but they can change their own practices and methods of altering their packaging contents.
Nope, not one. Others just don't make news on it (it's all apple's marketing style, do bigger news from old news). On my memory, I had 2 budget Nokia phones which had boxes from recycled material. And some another gadget, which brand can't remember, also had packaging from recycled.
 
We live in an era where tons and tons of electronics are thrown to garbage which are non biodegradable, and yet we worry about the environmental friendliness of a cardboard box.

This is another reason that [Planned Obsolescence-Disposable by Design] is not such a courageous thing after all, and no amount of Greenwashing will change that.
 
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I was also disappointed that Apple did not include the plastic box with the stainless model. I thought that made it more of a premium experience, especially given the price point for the stainless model. That said, the Ceramic Edition doe include the plastic box.

Oh, hey... that's good to know. I still have the plastic box from my Series 0 AW, because I traded it in when I bought my Series 2. I have a box, so it's no big, but it was a bummer that they ditched it for the SS.
 
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We live in an era where tons and tons of electronics are thrown to garbage which are non biodegradable, and yet we worry about the environmental friendliness of a cardboard box.

Apple (and many other large companies) has a program to recycle your old electronics that you would have thrown away. You don't even pay a dollar to ship the junk anywhere. Apple even offers to send you a postage paid shipping label.

If consumers don't take advantage of these programs, that's their ignorance problem.

https://www.apple.com/recycling/
 
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Apple's environmental teams also found a fiber-based material that could be used to make the trays, replacing the petroleum-based plastic previously used.

Petroleum-based plastic, the scourge of the world. We will also have to learn to live without it this century and bravo to Apple for making a start on that.
 
Apple Shares Meticulous Steps Taken to Ensure iPhone Packaging is Environmentally Friendly

Apple Shares Meticulous Steps Taken to Ensure iPhone Packaging Costs Less

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If being environmentally responsible were less expensive, all corporations would act that way. Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

That said, what’s wrong with a win-win? If being green is cheaper for Apple, is that bad? Would Apple use virgin-forest paper if it’s cheaper? You might think so, since you think saving themselves money is their motivation.
 
Apple brags about eliminating a few grams of paper from its product packaging but forces us to throw perfectly good computers (full of rare metals much more precious and non-renewable than cardboard) in the trash because all the components are soldered on.

Apple has legitimate business reasons to force customers to buy expensive new hardware on a regular basis rather than allowing them to maintain old computer and phones. However, the claim that Apple prioritizes the environment in their manufacturing is a lie.
 
What I think is funny is the fact that a lot of people hold onto their Apple packaging. I've got a closet filled with iPhone, Airport, trackpad, keyboard, MacBook Air, rMBP, iPad, etc. boxes that I just can't bring myself to recycling. I've been in the packaging industry, so some of my desire to keep them is based around having great examples of what's possible in rigid packaging, but I also like having them for their historical significance.

So whether Apple uses all green materials (paper) or plastic, doesn't matter for me as much because they're not going to be recycled or thrown away (until I'm 80+ years old and it the closet will look like I'm some hoarder of Apple products - which I am...).

You even see people selling the boxes and the manuals on Trademe (NZ's version of eBay), so there is some value in holding on to them. Would be interesting to know what percentage of consumers hold onto them. I am the same as you boxes upon boxes...
 
I also like having them for their historical significance.

3 million years from now, everything 2 million years from now will seem prehistoric. I would draw the line at most old gadgets, let alone packaging.
 
Did you even understand what i wrote ? Who cares about the inside of the box, not my point at all.

The plastic inside the box isn’t biodegradable. Your “point”, doesn’t change what Apple is doing is a good thing.
 
We live in an era where tons and tons of electronics are thrown to garbage which are non biodegradable, and yet we worry about the environmental friendliness of a cardboard box.
Most companies accept their old products back for recycling. The issue why YOU, the consumer, is throwing your old electronics in the garbage? That's on you, not the company.
 
I do care about the environment, so that's my idea.
Just give the customer the ability to buy the iPhone without any accessories.
I don't care about lighting EarPods, I don't want the stickers and I have plenty of wall plugs and lighting cables.
As a matter of fact my 8+ package is in a drawer now with everything that was in the box but the lighting to 3.5'' adapter, since it is the first phone I buy without the headphone jack, but I haven't used it yet.
Just sell me the iPhone in Apple Store without the package, or with a really small one and give me a gift card since I saved you the cost of the accessories, I don't expect the full retail price of each one of them of course, but a small discount would be just fine.
I wonder how many EarPods are in a drawer like mines, and will never be used. That's a waste of money and raw materials
 
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Some might think is this a Cost cutting method (Which it somewhat is), but given Apples track record with environmental standards, I believe this is their way of being proactive.

Another example would be that they eliminated the plastic box for the stainless steel Apple Watch packaging. Those likely would end up not properly disposed of, even though they were to nice to have when storing the Apple Watch.

And someone else alluded to, the plastic casing for the EarPods included in previous iPhones was nice to have for traveling, and now they resorted to cardboard, Which was nice to have. It's hard to argue Apples method behind their end goal, even if it appears it's a cheaper alternative to the packaging.

a very Apple-like solution would be to sell a plastic/leather case for the EarPods separately for travel usage.
 
I still have my 4th Gen iPod "Cube"

Talk about excess packaging!
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Not sure how the SSD storage works, but for sure LPDDR3 is not available in a socketed form, it must be soldered.

But realistically, with MacOS the 8GB minimum RAM is sufficient for most users, and the ones who need more know it, and buy 16GB. Personally, I’d like to be able to upgrade, however most users never need to.

Storage to me is different because needs can definitely change over the 5 to 8 year useful life. It would be nice to start low and be able to upgrade when your needs change.

Yeah, in 2017.

That 8GB MBP's going to need 16GB in a few years, and you're stuck. Brand new laptop time when the old one just needed a RAM bump.

Hell, my 2012 came with 4GB. I'd need a new laptop right now if it wasn't able to be upgraded! Thankfully I was able to bump it up to 2x 4GB modules and recently 2x8GB modules as RAM prices dropped.

Won't even mention the fact it came factory with a 500GB spinner, and these days it's packed with a 240GB SSD and 3TB spinner where the CD drive was....

Sucks the CPU is soldered in, it's more than capable of running an Ivy Bridge processor on the same chipset, a cheap and worthwhile upgrade which it's HP built counterparts enjoy.

"Oh, but you get better battery life with LPDDR!" - as the laptop screams along constantly trying to swap memory out to disk...
 
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As an iPhone only user, I am amused by the number of users complaining about the reparability/hardware updating of MacBooks and other apple products.
Can anyone explain me what is the difference before and now with the apple products causing these complaints?
 
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