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Really? Are they a "thing" were you live? Here in Australia, I have only EVER seen one person wearing one, and that was an employee at an Apple store. ...

You've met someone that owns an Apple watch?! Wow, I'm still waiting for the day.
Funny, also here in Australia, I have one, my wife has one, my colleagues have them, my friends all have them, baristas around here have them. Funny how anecdotes work huh?
 
Nobody said it was a "big thing". It's a thing. The person I was replying to said that "Apple should stop trying to make Apple Watch a thing" and I said that it already was. It's on the same trajectory as the iPod and iPhone were before they became mainstream. Neither of those started as massive hits. Both the iPod and the iPhone became mainstream in their 3rd generations.

Its way too early to make that call
 
Really? Are they a "thing" were you live? Here in Australia, I have only EVER seen one person wearing one, and that was an employee at an Apple store. They are nothing but an overpriced, ugly, useless piece of junk.
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You've met someone that owns an Apple watch?! Wow, I'm still waiting for the day.

I'm not exactly sure why the disdain for something it seems like you don't own. But, I tend to agree with you that the Watch is not really too compelling of a device. Maybe that applies to all wearables though. Fitbit isn't doing well this quarter either.
 
Its way too early to make that call

It is on the trajectory. It could change that trajectory but it has so far continued to follow the same one taken by the iPod and iPhone. Actually, it outperformed the iPhone with the Series 0 selling twice as many as the iPhone in its first generation.

People seem to think that the iPod and iPhone were overnight successes. They too had their growing pains and mistakes made and then corrected along the way. Expecting the Apple Watch to immediately gain an audience of hundreds of millions right after its debut is forgetting how the iPod and iPhone got to the ubiquity they got to.

Was the iPod a flop when its first generation sold a mere tens of thousands per quarter? Was the the first iPhone a flop when it sold a total of 6 million units? Growing a new category takes time and as it stands at this point, the Apple Watch is following the trajectory of those two product categories that ended up becoming the biggest selling products in Apple's history. So you can't write off the Apple Watch because it didn't reach ubiquity in year one.
 
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Right, can't imagine the Series 2 sales are going to make much of a dent in that but we'll see.

Right, but your imagination makes a less compelling argument than a balanced look at the data. We'll see of course, but I wonder how we decide if it's a thing or not.

Great, you said its already a big thing, now you seem to be saying we should give it time?

For some of us, it is a big thing already, and for the world in general, I don't think anyone went beyond saying it's a thing. Until David Letterman runs his "is this a thing" test on it, how on earth can we know the truth?

Right, not sure how that equates to it being the next big thing though.

A thing can be a thing without being the next big thing. I think.

On Cook and the numbers this was the same guy who thought that tablets would be outselling PCs by 2015.

According to this site

https://www.statista.com/statistics...forecast-for-tablets-laptops-and-desktop-pcs/

2015 was the first year tablets outsold PCs. The man is clearly an oracle. You cannot doubt him now...
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Really? Are they a "thing" were you live? [...]They are nothing but an overpriced, ugly, useless piece of junk.

Anything that inspires that kind of passion from someone who *doesn't* want one, is already a thing.

Contrary to what you say, I find it useful, attractive, and a bargain. You're zero for three.
 
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And it's funny bc I'm def in the "ahead of the curve" pack and I've had my watch since day one and I'm ready for my second.

Honestly I can't live without mine, I turn my car around and head back home if I've ever forgotten it.

I'm not at all concerned if a watch isn't going to become Apples next big thing overnight.

Being in marketing - these things are in their prehistoric stage and the wearable market will explode - just not yet.

Three things need to happen for them to really take off. No need for a phone, reliable ear devices, and long battery life. So far none of those things are possible by ANY manufacturer - Apple included.

God -- these myopic nit picking "all things for all people" litmus tests that seem exclusive to Apple are so old and full of it.
 
What makes the Apple watch better than the others? I don't see it doing much until it gets innovative.
 
I hope Trump tells Cook to cut prices by about $300 and offer the base units of a "pro" model at 512 storage. That alone would be worth the price of admission to a Trump presidency. He said Boeing was gouging so ....
 
I hope Trump tells Cook to cut prices by about $300 and offer the base units of a "pro" model at 512 storage. That alone would be worth the price of admission to a Trump presidency. He said Boeing was gouging so ....

What would be worth it? Having Tim Cook politely listen then completely ignore him? A president doesn't dictate the selling price of consumer electronics.
 
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What would be worth it? Having Tim Cook politely listen then completely ignore him? A president doesn't dictate the selling price of consumer electronics.

Have Trump tell him there will be a 35% tariff on all goods from China. A man can dream...
 
And I'm so irritated about the seemingly deceitful (un)availability of the Series 2 watch I probably will not purchase one at all at this point. No [promised] Christmas availability... no watch!

This just blows my mind. It was launched in September. Why can't people who want to buy them, buy them now???? Apple seriously screwed up here.

The demand can't be that high.

sigh.... maybe a post christmas gift?
 
Apple has clearly reduced its fractional emphasis on computers, but considering Apple's increasing size, and increasing overall R&D budget, I'd be surprised if its absolute interest (measured in dollars) has declined. I don't think the update rate is a good measure of interest in the segment. Some fields naturally saturate. The computer and OS field had a long run, but it's not just Apple's progress in computers that has slowed down. The whole field seems to be idling.

As for Serlet, since he left he has also shown less interest in computer operating systems, working instead on cloud storage.
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Nope. Apple's dividends more than made up the difference. It's true, Apple's been pretty flat for a few years, but the stock has doubled since Cook took over in 2011. There was clearly momentum when he took over, but he was partly responsible for that too, acting as CEO in 2009, when Jobs was sick. And like computers, phone technology and its market have begun to saturate. Apple still makes essentially all the profit in the field. Cook is no Jobs, but Apple coulda done a lot worse (and did in the late 80s and early 90s)...

Apple's dividends are a strategic mistake - Jobs would have never given money back to the shareholders. He would have executed on who knows whatever vision he might have had for future products.

Cook's been skating by on Jobs' original ideas - just because Jobs died doesn't mean his vision didn't extend for a couple years after his death. His vision and influence are fading, only now, five years after his death.

The watch is a flop. Apple's competitors have caught up. Cook's tenure has been an absolute strategic failure which will manifest in Apple's continued decline until new leadership is brought in (and probably for the first few years under the new leadership as well)
 
It is on the trajectory. It could change that trajectory but it has so far continued to follow the same one taken by the iPod and iPhone. Actually, it outperformed the iPhone with the Series 0 selling twice as many as the iPhone in its first generation.

People seem to think that the iPod and iPhone were overnight successes. They too had their growing pains and mistakes made and then corrected along the way. Expecting the Apple Watch to immediately gain an audience of hundreds of millions right after its debut is forgetting how the iPod and iPhone got to the ubiquity they got to.

Was the iPod a flop when its first generation sold a mere tens of thousands per quarter? Was the the first iPhone a flop when it sold a total of 6 million units? Growing a new category takes time and as it stands at this point, the Apple Watch is following the trajectory of those two product categories that ended up becoming the biggest selling products in Apple's history. So you can't write off the Apple Watch because it didn't reach ubiquity in year one.

Ok but it doesn't mean it is going to continue that trajectory unless Apple can demonstrate that it offers some value to the average person.

The iPod and the iPhone are a different kettle of fish, the Apple Watch is competing to an extent with the iPhone. The Watch might have initially outperformed the iPhone but so did the iPad. Have a look at the contrasting fortunes of those two products now.
 
This just blows my mind. It was launched in September. Why can't people who want to buy them, buy them now???? Apple seriously screwed up here.

The demand can't be that high.

sigh.... maybe a post christmas gift?

I have some that were demo units if you are interested. Do I get extra points if it is Tim's or Greg's DNA?
 
Apple's dividends are a strategic mistake

Maybe, but I was only disputing the claim that buying the index would have been better than buying Apple.

Whether dividends were a mistake or not, is pure speculation, and I have no reason to think your speculation is better than Cook's or many strategists who say otherwise.

- Jobs would have never given money back to the shareholders. He would have executed on who knows whatever vision he might have had for future products.

True, he didn't like dividends, but he didn't walk on water either. It's not as if there has been a shortage of capital to execute on visions. If there's a shortage of vision, then they may as well give the money back to shareholders.

Cook's been skating by on Jobs' original ideas - just because Jobs died doesn't mean his vision didn't extend for a couple years after his death. His vision and influence are fading, only now, five years after his death.

True, and I admitted there was momentum when Cook took over. At the same time, the phone market was still growing then, and would have saturated with or without Jobs at the helm. The globe is finite after all.

The watch is a flop. Apple's competitors have caught up.

The watch is far from a flop. It may end up a flop, but so far it has earned a profit for Apple, and if it continues on its current alleged trajectory, it will be a success.

Apple's phone competitors caught up before Jobs died, but still Apple made all the profit.

Cook's tenure has been an absolute strategic failure which will manifest in Apple's continued decline until new leadership is brought in (and probably for the first few years under the new leadership as well)

That's nonsense. We have no way of knowing how Apple would have done during the saturating phone market and with the introduction of the watch if Jobs had lived. One presumes better, but considering Apple has doubled in size, and become the world's biggest tech company, and makes essentially all the profit in phones and most of it in laptops, calling it a failure is just silly.

Look, no one denies Jobs' genius, and no one is saying Cook is as good as Jobs. Maybe Jobs would have had another vision along the lines of the iPod or iPhone, but maybe not. Maybe he would have found the secret to making the watch a bigger and faster success, but maybe not. His hobby with the TV was no great success.

Everyone knew that Apple's growth rate at its peak was not sustainable, or they would have become the only company in the world.

And the alternative to Cook was not Jobs. Jobs died. So, if it hadn't been Cook, it would have been someone else who was not Jobs, and chances are he would have his critics too, who would claim he was an absolute failure in comparison to Jobs' great years.

And if there's another Jobs out there now who could've done so much better than Cook, then where are his great new visions? The other companies are all still basically copying Apple, and making way less money doing it.

To me, Cook is a bird in the hand. I think the current executives at Apple work pretty well together, and any one of them would have probably led the company in a similar way, which was a far safer way than if they had brought in new blood. And if you're gonna recommend new visionary blood, then you have to give a name. Elon Musk? Or who? I can't think of anyone alive like Steve Jobs.
 
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Anybody else think the price of the watch is too high considering they will roll out updates and changes every 2 years or so.
 
Maybe, but I was only disputing the claim that buying the index would have been better than buying Apple.

Whether dividends were a mistake or not, is pure speculation, and I have no reason to think your speculation is better than Cook's or many strategists who say otherwise.



True, he didn't like dividends, but he didn't walk on water either. It's not as if there has been a shortage of capital to execute on visions. If there's a shortage of vision, then they may as well give the money back to shareholders.



True, and I admitted there was momentum when Cook took over. At the same time, the phone market was still growing then, and would have saturated with or without Jobs at the helm. The globe is finite after all.



The watch is far from a flop. It may end up a flop, but so far it has earned a profit for Apple, and if it continues on its current alleged trajectory, it will be a success.

Apple's phone competitors caught up before Jobs died, but still Apple made all the profit.



That's nonsense. We have no way of knowing how Apple would have done during the saturating phone market and with the introduction of the watch if Jobs had lived. One presumes better, but considering Apple has doubled in size, and become the world's biggest tech company, and makes essentially all the profit in phones and most of it in laptops, calling it a failure is just silly.

Look, no one denies Jobs' genius, and no one is saying Cook is as good as Jobs. Maybe Jobs would have had another vision along the lines of the iPod or iPhone, but maybe not. Maybe he would have found the secret to making the watch a bigger and faster success, but maybe not. His hobby with the TV was no great success.

Everyone knew that Apple's growth rate at its peak was not sustainable, or they would have become the only company in the world.

And the alternative to Cook was not Jobs. Jobs died. So, if it hadn't been Cook, it would have been someone else who was not Jobs, and chances are he would have his critics too, who would claim he was an absolute failure in comparison to Jobs' great years.

And if there's another Jobs out there now who could've done so much better than Cook, then where are his great new visions? The other companies are all still basically copying Apple, and making way less money doing it.

To me, Cook is a bird in the hand. I think the current executives at Apple work pretty well together, and any one of them would have probably led the company in a similar way, which was a far safer way than if they had brought in new blood. And if you're gonna recommend new visionary blood, then you have to give a name. Elon Musk? Or who? I can't think of anyone alive like Steve Jobs.

Satya is doing pretty damn well at Microsoft. He's no Jobs, but he's extremely competent - much more than Cook.

He understands the product, and has an engineering background. Let's see how the iPhone and Microsoft's eventual phone (running full Windows on ARM, in Fall '17) compete. I really think a full desktop computer running on a phone, where the phone functions is just a skin running the desktop kernel, on ARM, is the future. Connecting the phone to a monitor yields a full desktop experience. You wouldn't want it as your daily driver, but Microsoft is willing to give people a choice. Probably would be pretty useful if that was the only option you had in a pinch.

Apple could certainly do the same thing with iOS, but there will soon be parity (within 3-4 years), and Microsoft has shown they know how to build a premium device.
 
Satya is doing pretty damn well at Microsoft. He's no Jobs, but he's extremely competent - much more than Cook.

He understands the product, and has an engineering background. Let's see how the iPhone and Microsoft's eventual phone (running full Windows on ARM, in Fall '17) compete. I really think a full desktop computer running on a phone, where the phone functions is just a skin running the desktop kernel, on ARM, is the future. Connecting the phone to a monitor yields a full desktop experience. You wouldn't want it as your daily driver, but Microsoft is willing to give people a choice. Probably would be pretty useful if that was the only option you had in a pinch.

Apple could certainly do the same thing with iOS, but there will soon be parity (within 3-4 years), and Microsoft has shown they know how to build a premium device.

Even is Surface Phone is the 'Jesus phone' in terms of hardware and other features, it's DOA because it won't have all the high-quality mobile apps that people take for granted on iPhone. Simple as that. DOA except for some businesses who care about the continuum niche.
 
I have one and don't love it. I use my Garmin watch for running and wear the Apple Watch all other times. I would sell it, but the re-sell market is crap.

I have 42mm SS with Milanese Loop and Red Sport band. $360 on Craigslist, no nibbles. Starting bid on eBay $300, no bids. Not looking to give it away.
 
Anybody else think the price of the watch is too high considering they will roll out updates and changes every 2 years or so.

A little, but I eventually caved in and got a series 2 sports watch and I haven't looked back since. I do feel Apple could have just released a single series 1 watch that including gps and improved water proofing.

But at this current trend, it's only a matter of time before the Apple Watch monopolises the profit in the wearables market.
 
Anybody else think the price of the watch is too high considering they will roll out updates and changes every 2 years or so.

I have a Rolex. It cost me $15K and has been updated exactly ZERO times in 23 years. It's still on Version 1.0
 
I have a Rolex. It cost me $15K and has been updated exactly ZERO times in 23 years. It's still on Version 1.0

This is true, but I don't think comparing a Rolex to an Apple Watch is a good comparison. If you bought a new Rolex today, the functions would be the same as they were 23 years ago and it would hold its value, whereas the Apple watch is continuously changing and people NEED to get the new tech every few years.
 
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