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I didn't say it was imessage, but there should be a way to secure a basic text message.
The security of basic text messages is something to take up with your cellular service provider. For secure, i.e. encrypted messages Apple has iMessages and there are others.
 
ok, there is one can much you can take for that message sound..

Its ain't THAT funny,, but i do like the end where everyone else is starring.

The security of basic text messages is something to take up with your cellular service provider. For secure, i.e. encrypted messages Apple has iMessages and there are others.

Only between other iOS users..
 
The security of basic text messages is something to take up with your cellular service provider. For secure, i.e. encrypted messages Apple has iMessages and there are others.
One has two options for texting. One could use their number or their email address. The number would belong to the cell provider but would the email address from iCloud also belong to the cell provider..?
 
He means encrypted end-to-end. Your iCloud backups aren't encrypted end-to-end, only in transit and at rest. Ofc, as many (including me) have said, even Apple's e2ee doesn't mean you can trust Apple not to deliberately man-in-the-middle attack you.
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Those are bugs, not intention. The iCloud thing was just bad design, not forcing 2FA for accounts that upload photos. They're all pretty rare. Google and Amazon spy on their users intentionally, plus Android is overall designed to be less secure, which is fine as a compromise for making it so widely available.

What you're saying is like saying transmitting plaintext over the wire is as secure as HTTPS because sometimes someone finds a vulnerability. It's possible for something to be "more secure" without being bulletproof. And... the same to all the above for privacy, but privacy and security get mixed up so much that I don't try to separate them.

If you think he meant something other than what he said, kindly take it up with him, it’s none of my business.

Regarding end to end encryption, the link I provided covers that nicely, check it out.
 
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It was a bug that allowed people to listen to your conversations after you closed the app, which is an invasion of "PRIVACY".

I definitely think your conflating. The difference being, this was a glitch that wasn’t meant to be malicious by Apple, it wasn’t invasion of privacy like they’re attempting to ‘gain your information intentionally’. Sure it happened, but was it really an invasion of privacy? Or can you prove that there any victims coming forward that they feel vulnerable after that specific glitch? I’m guessing not.

The reason I mentioned android earlier, is it’s far less secure and when you take companies like Google, that intentionally want to data mine there customers, that’s not something that Apple would do, not when they put the consumers privacy/confidentiality first, even if they did make a mistake, they immediately rectified it.
 
Lol, are any of these “numerous” apps preloaded and automatically used on LITERALLY every single Android phone sold, so that with 0% trouble, energy, or effort... all your communication to anyone else on that platform will be encrypted??

If not... (rhetorical, of course- we know they’re not), then that was probably a really really really bad example.

Such delusion... that although everyone that owns a secure phone (an iPhone) is already having private conversations with anyone else that also owns a secure phone (again; an iPhone), there’s somehow something bad or wrong with that & they should instead be sometimes using the standard text app to text & sometimes throwing any of a handful of other text apps into the mix; needlessly complicating what should be perhaps one of the most basic and simple functions on a phone.
Further... trying to convince friends, family, loved ones, & acquaintances that they should doing this insanity as well, so you actually have other people you can contact on these apps.
I suppose since FaceTime Audio has better reception than a standard call, rather than enjoying the simplicity of that fact... I should find like a half dozen “hd audio” calling apps, try to convince everyone I know to do the same, & then we can all have a bunch of different dialers to choose from & keep track of every time we make or receive a call, right?



 
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One has two options for texting. One could use their number or their email address. The number would belong to the cell provider but would the email address from iCloud also belong to the cell provider..?
You can’t text by email address. You can text by phone number. If you’re using your email address you’re using iMessage.
 
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This is a really great ad. Great acting by the lady too. I cracked a smile about halfway through. Simple and to the point.

She reminds me so much of all the women in my family that laughs at jokes. This is like so typical of my mother, sister and all my aunties. :)

I feel those that find the ad annoying are like those in the commercial staring ... annoyed and confused waiting for the punch line in a silent movie ... cause they can’t see or know why she’s laughing. Lol jokes on them.
 
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Would love to know what everyone has to hide to require all this 'privacy'.

Anyone with half a brain would realise that most peoples lives have 'leaked' around on the internet for quite some time.

And furthermore, if you think that a private encrypted message can't be intercepted and read over the air is deluded.

Another marketing con.
 
What do you mean by "all the recent issues?" Android paired with non-Google hardware (or somewhat even with Google hardware) has been a continuous privacy breach since forever, and that includes right now.
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You have a similar problem with Whatsapp and Signal, finding people who use it. Sure it's free, but you're still gonna have a hard time telling your friends to download a separate messaging app to talk to you. There's also no graceful fallback to SMS like iMessage has.

IMO iMessage + SMS is more than sufficient for most people. SMS ain't bad. You get to use iMessage sometimes, not always, but that's better than never. And upgrades to the SMS standard will come with time.

You have to understand that more people out there are using Android than iPhone, so its more likely that you will SMS someone without an iphone than use iMessage.

SMS use is an option in the US since the carriers there do not charge for it. Other places in the world, you get charged per SMS. Every SMS you send, your monthly bill increases.
 
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but iCloud backups still are not. Until iCloud data is encrypted, the whole privacy narrative is just mumbo jumbo

I'm confident that iCloud backups are encrypted, but with a key held by Apple. That's different than saying they are "not encrypted". No cloud company would survive if they didn't encrypt their server storage. And you can turn off Backups, and do encrypted backups through iTunes. So not mumbo jumbo, but choice.
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My brother use to work at AT&T and the staff could read your text messages. So I wonder if they still can?

Yah, that doesn't apply here, as this is about iMessage.

But you're right... carriers get away with criminal handling of SMS messages. I could log into my carrier account and read all of the text messages that I sent and received. I had no idea my carrier was storing them.
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One has two options for texting. One could use their number or their email address. The number would belong to the cell provider but would the email address from iCloud also belong to the cell provider..?

If it's blue, it's been delivered by iMessage, fully encrypted. This supports all of the phone numbers and email addresses associated with an iCloud account.

If it's green, it's been delivered by your carrier as an SMS message. Likely not encrypted. Only messages sent to phone numbers will send this way.
 
Would love to know what everyone has to hide to require all this 'privacy'.

Anyone with half a brain would realise that most peoples lives have 'leaked' around on the internet for quite some time.

And furthermore, if you think that a private encrypted message can't be intercepted and read over the air is deluded.

Another marketing con.
Being leaked on the internet is different than being thrown wily-nily on the internet.

And no I don’t think iMessages can just be hacked and be read real-time while in transit.
 
but iCloud backups still are not. Until iCloud data is encrypted, the whole privacy narrative is just mumbo jumbo
iCloud is encrypted - perhaps what you’re thinking off is that you don’t have your own private key.

They can subpoena Apple to decrypt your data. This differs from your individual phone where Apple can’t. And the government was asking that they facilitate unlocking phones by way of allowing brute force password guessing.
 
You have to understand that more people out there are using Android than iPhone, so its more likely that you will SMS someone without an iphone than use iMessage.

SMS use is an option in the US since the carriers there do not charge for it. Other places in the world, you get charged per SMS. Every SMS you send, your monthly bill increases.
I forgot about SMS costing tons of money elsewhere, and yeah, that makes iMessage not a good solution. I live in the US and have mostly iPhone-using friends, so the worldwide stats don't matter to me personally.
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You don't watch his videos, clearly.
"DON'T buy the iPhone X" was the next recommended video by him, and the one after was promoting some Android phone called the Elaphone (which people said is trash in the comments section) so idk. Maybe he's fair overall, but I'm not going to watch enough videos to find out.
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I definitely think your conflating. The difference being, this was a glitch that wasn’t meant to be malicious by Apple, it wasn’t invasion of privacy like they’re attempting to ‘gain your information intentionally’. Sure it happened, but was it really an invasion of privacy? Or can you prove that there any victims coming forward that they feel vulnerable after that specific glitch? I’m guessing not.

The reason I mentioned android earlier, is it’s far less secure and when you take companies like Google, that intentionally want to data mine there customers, that’s not something that Apple would do, not when they put the consumers privacy/confidentiality first, even if they did make a mistake, they immediately rectified it.
Some guy shot himself in the foot with that FaceTime bug and sued for it. Kinda funny, but really it wasn't his fault, but also it's not a privacy issue, like you said.
 
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Fabulous one....

GOOD FIND!!!

(roll eyes)

Hey, I have a fun challenge! =)
Got one that has a gd thing to do with iMessage automatically sending/receiving fully encrypted messages between iOS devices, you know... like the article & this conversation is about, or was this all you could find- this bug that was squashed in like 1 day & literally caused zero trouble for anyone whatsoever?
 
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Since we seem to have a lot of people on here who understand iMessage encryption way better than I do, hopefully someone can answer this for me. I asked the question in the forums (I think on here) a while ago, and never got a clear answer, but the general consensus was that it wasn't safe to message this way and the company would have access to my conversations:

If I'm using iMessage on my personal phone, and someone messages me from another iMessage account (blue bubble), but I am on my company's free wifi network, does my company (theoretically at least) have the ability to read my message? I think that End to End Encryption means that they would not, but I know that wifi is insecure and people can steal passwords, etc over it, so I'm just not clear on how all of the different encryption levels work together.

The reason I'm asking is I have a co-worker who will occasionally write something along the lines of 'My boss is a jerk', or 'I can't believe (someone high up in the organization) said xxxxx'. I realize it's unlikely to ever come up where the company notices this, but getting these messages while I'm on the wifi always makes me a little nervous that I'm going to get an appointment with HR.

No, end-to-end means the message is encrypted on the sender's phone, sent out, received and decrypted on the receivers phone. Everything/everybody that is in between only sees gibberish. The only way someone else would be able to see it would be for either the sender or the receiver to allow access to their phone or tablet by someone else.
 
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Nah you’re good, unless you foolishly disable the protection Apple built into iOS years ago to prevent such unexpected shutdown due to worn, degraded batteries.

With Android however, your phone may well shutdown unexpectedly while texting on the privacy-free SMS platform :(
They generally don't shutdown unexpectedly anyway.
The protection you are saying that Apple built into iOS years ago(well not that long ago actually) to prevent unexpected shutdowns due to worn batteries? Android had something more advanced years before apple. It's called Battery Current Limit(BCL).
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Fabulous one....

GOOD FIND!!!

(roll eyes)

Hey, I have a fun challenge! =)
Got one that has a gd thing to do with iMessage automatically sending/receiving fully encrypted messages between iOS devices, you know... like the article & this conversation is about, or was this all you could find- this bug that was squashed in like 1 day & literally caused zero trouble for anyone whatsoever?
You said : 0% trouble, energy, or effort.
That video clearly proved you wrong.
And objectively speaking, installing a simple app is not much of an effort or trouble anyway.
Signal Private Messenger is only a 38mb install and it gives you end-to-end encryption on any mobile device or desktop computer as it's cross platform.
 
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