Apple Shares New 'Inside Joke' Privacy-Focused Video Highlighting iMessage Encryption

[44267547]

Are we really gonna believe this nonsense.

I certainly do. You may not, but I trust Apple with my credentials/privacy over any other smart phone manufacturer. It’s one of the main reasons why I will never ever use Google/android, as with them, you are the product.

iCloud photos leaked and Facetime Bug ring a bell?

The FaceTime bug that you’re alluding to, is not mutually exclusive, that doesn’t give anyone access to what’s specifically on your phone, it was only allowing to hear audio, which was almost immediately patched. No need to exacerbate things.

 

[JetBlack7]

Most annoying ad I’ve seen in a while...

The ad itself is pretty bland, but her laugh though xD

 

[Edsel]

Somewhere within the depths and labyrinth of the United States Intelligence Community, the Слу́жба вне́шней разве́дки Российской Федерации, and the 中央国家安全委员会;, they too must hysterically laugh at some of their intercepts.

 

[Calebtt]

Dumb ad in my opinion, lady made laugh.

 

[BuffaloTF]

I heard privacy cannot be a luxury good that’s only available to people who can afford to buy premium products and services.

Yeah... sounds like the biggest self-own he could come up with. By being scumbags with your data, they're allowing a luxury item to corner the market on privacy. He really should do something about that.

 

[mk313]

Since we seem to have a lot of people on here who understand iMessage encryption way better than I do, hopefully someone can answer this for me. I asked the question in the forums (I think on here) a while ago, and never got a clear answer, but the general consensus was that it wasn't safe to message this way and the company would have access to my conversations:

If I'm using iMessage on my personal phone, and someone messages me from another iMessage account (blue bubble), but I am on my company's free wifi network, does my company (theoretically at least) have the ability to read my message? I think that End to End Encryption means that they would not, but I know that wifi is insecure and people can steal passwords, etc over it, so I'm just not clear on how all of the different encryption levels work together.

The reason I'm asking is I have a co-worker who will occasionally write something along the lines of 'My boss is a jerk', or 'I can't believe (someone high up in the organization) said xxxxx'. I realize it's unlikely to ever come up where the company notices this, but getting these messages while I'm on the wifi always makes me a little nervous that I'm going to get an appointment with HR.

 

[BarrettF77]

I e got a legacy Apple ID without email on it and Apple makes us use a 3rd party email address like Google.

Stuff like this is a joke to me when they don’t take privacy seriously across the board. I’m sorry, but this is just a stupid commercial with little context. Even though the actor has a great laugh, very little in the way of value.

Miss the old Apple that was true to its values and not this PR machine it’s pushing to be come with services.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

This ad screams privacy.

 

[I7guy]

I e got a legacy Apple ID without email on it and Apple makes us use a 3rd party email address like Google.

Stuff like this is a joke to me when they don’t take privacy seriously across the board. I’m sorry, but this is just a stupid commercial with little context. Even though the actor has a great laugh, very little in the way of value.

Miss the old Apple that was true to its values and not this PR machine it’s pushing to be come with services.

Privacy is an goal and it's a process to get there. A switch is not flipped and the goal declared to be met. The commercial was funny with the irony that apple was communicating.

 

[EdT]

That’s a text message, not an iMessage. Completely separate things.

For most people iMessage is just Apples text message system. Apple hasn't really explained what is different about iMessage vs. text messaging in any cohesive way over the years. I got curious and looked it up a couple of years ago, but the explanation I found was very simplistic. I found out that an iMessage is encrypted and text messages aren't.What I wanted to know beyond that was how big of a security threat this is to an average user, or ways to steal text messages, or verified examples of stolen messages and the consequences.

 

[nvmls]

Ah, the whole privacy smoke all over again, and people suck it up proudly.

This ad illustrates a scenario we are supposed to be seduced by, to spend 750 bucks on a phone? What a time to be alive.

 

[xalea]

Omg hahahaha that's the funniest Apple commercial I've seen in years.

 

[Benjamin Frost]

This is the worst Apple ad ever. Apple couldn't have picked a more annoying laugh.

 

[scrapesleon]

Worst ad of the year very annoying to watch

 

[BarrettF77]

Privacy is an goal and it's a process to get there. A switch is not flipped and the goal declared to be met. The commercial was funny with the irony that apple was communicating.

The above issue has been on going for years. That’s my point. Take care of long-standing issues. They don’t care. They just want more dollars preying on people thinking they got their act together. Microsoft oddly enough is making big strides. I look forward to that competition because cook is too busy on his PR tour.

 

[Khedron]

Yes, still true. Text messaging is not secure. This is just one of the reasons Android is not a viable alternative to iOS.

Such delusion. There are numerous end to end encryption apps on Android, and none of them are subject to Apple's eavesdropping bugs.

 

[cipher29]

Since we seem to have a lot of people on here who understand iMessage encryption way better than I do, hopefully someone can answer this for me. I asked the question in the forums (I think on here) a while ago, and never got a clear answer, but the general consensus was that it wasn't safe to message this way and the company would have access to my conversations:

If I'm using iMessage on my personal phone, and someone messages me from another iMessage account (blue bubble), but I am on my company's free wifi network, does my company (theoretically at least) have the ability to read my message? I think that End to End Encryption means that they would not, but I know that wifi is insecure and people can steal passwords, etc over it, so I'm just not clear on how all of the different encryption levels work together.

The reason I'm asking is I have a co-worker who will occasionally write something along the lines of 'My boss is a jerk', or 'I can't believe (someone high up in the organization) said xxxxx'. I realize it's unlikely to ever come up where the company notices this, but getting these messages while I'm on the wifi always makes me a little nervous that I'm going to get an appointment with HR.

No... If you’re on your company wifi, they can’t intercept and read your iMessages... They could technically intercept the communication, but it would be encrypted and jibberish to them.

 

[Khedron]

For most people iMessage is just Apples text message system. Apple hasn't really explained what is different about iMessage vs. text messaging in any cohesive way over the years. I got curious and looked it up a couple of years ago, but the explanation I found was very simplistic. I found out that an iMessage is encrypted and text messages aren't.What I wanted to know beyond that was how big of a security threat this is to an average user, or ways to steal text messages, or verified examples of stolen messages and the consequences.

There are no consequences. The use of fear of the unknown is just a robust strategy when there's nothing concrete worth promoting.

 

[bruinsrme]

Sometimes their ads are great, sometimes not.

This one was wonderful.

I like the privacy commercial that has the guys in bathroom. I think most men experienced it but that’s where guy code comes into play lol

 

[RickInHouston]

I don't bother watching these previews anymore because over the next few months I'll see it enough to switch channels when it's shown each time.

 

[I7guy]

The above issue has been on going for years. That’s my point. Take care of long-standing issues. They don’t care. They just want more dollars preying on people thinking they got their act together. Microsoft oddly enough is making big strides. I look forward to that competition because cook is too busy on his PR tour.

This is about a lawsuit resulting from a bug, not about infrastructure updates relating to ids. There may be valid technical reasons for not addressing something, but you don't know what. As far as Cook being on a PR tour, he is running the company "his way", not "your way". And his way has hundreds of billions in success behind it.

Such delusion. There are numerous end to end encryption apps on Android, and none of them are subject to Apple's eavesdropping bugs.

Delusion reigns supreme. Doesn't it? What eavesdropping bugs? Please do cite all of them that exist in ios 12.3 beta 6.
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For most people iMessage is just Apples text message system. Apple hasn't really explained what is different about iMessage vs. text messaging in any cohesive way over the years. I got curious and looked it up a couple of years ago, but the explanation I found was very simplistic. I found out that an iMessage is encrypted and text messages aren't.What I wanted to know beyond that was how big of a security threat this is to an average user, or ways to steal text messages, or verified examples of stolen messages and the consequences.

Text messages are insecure and not encrypted and can be spoofed. https://www.spoofcard.com/blog/anonymous-texting/ imessages are encrypted and sent through apples servers and cannot be spoofed. imessages use your data plan, sms use your cell phone text message plan. Of course there are a few other cross-platform apps that are supposedly secure. Whatsapp is popular, but owned by facebook (nuff said there). Then there are the a few others like signal and telegram. They don't seem to have any traction though.

 

[BarrettF77]

This is about a lawsuit resulting from a bug, not about infrastructure updates relating to ids. There may be valid technical reasons for not addressing something, but you don't know what. As far as Cook being on a PR tour, he is running the company "his way", not "your way". And his way has hundreds of billions in success behind it.


Delusion reigns supreme. Doesn't it? What eavesdropping bugs? Please do cite all of them that exist in ios 12.3 beta 6.

100% agree and I’ll be speaking with my wallet for sure! I just don’t like false advertising. And a woman laughing for 60 seconds does nothing to demonstrate privacy. Next time I go to the men’s room I’ll close the door and do a better job of demonstrating what this silly ad is trying to.

And as for how Cook is running the company, yep, he’s doing such a great job high level players are leaving the company in droves. There is internal turmoil happening and some shakeups in that company like any company experiences in its lifetime. Perhaps another Scully like moment? We don’t know for sure. But what I do know is there is no clear vision and he keeps saying how many amazing things are coming this year... so far we have mostly evolutionary and modest updates in hardware, unreliable iOS updates and security issues with Group FaceTime, and the pitch they delivered at March for services is mostly intangible with exception of News+ which I tried and already cancelled (and many others have too). I have yet to see anyone rave about that.

Maybe this improves in 2nd half of 2019, but I’m not holding my breath.

 

[Khedron]

Delusion reigns supreme. Doesn't it? What eavesdropping bugs? Please do cite all of them that exist in ios 12.3 beta 6.

Defendant in court being charged with murder: "What murder? Can the prosecution please cite all murders I am currently committing? The defence rests."

 

[I7guy]

Defendant in court being charged with murder: "What murder? Can the prosecution please cite all murders I am currently committing? The defence rests."

Deflection your honor. Sustained. We find for the claims of the plaintiff that they have the most consumer friendly privacy policy.
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100% agree and I’ll be speaking with my wallet for sure! I just don’t like false advertising. And a woman laughing for 60 seconds does nothing to demonstrate privacy. Next time I go to the men’s room I’ll close the door and do a better job of demonstrating what this silly ad is trying to.

And as for how Cook is running the company, yep, he’s doing such a great job high level players are leaving the company in droves. There is internal turmoil happening and some shakeups in that company like any company experiences in its lifetime. Perhaps another Scully like moment? We don’t know for sure. But what I do know is there is no clear vision and he keeps saying how many amazing things are coming this year... so far we have mostly evolutionary and modest updates in hardware, unreliable iOS updates and security issues with Group FaceTime, and the pitch they delivered at March for services is mostly intangible with exception of News+ which I tried and already cancelled (and many others have too). I have yet to see anyone rave about that.

Maybe this improves in 2nd half of 2019, but I’m not holding my breath.

Yes, you should vote with your wallet. I did this year with the purchase of a max and an Xr.

The ad is not false advertising. It's a clever piece that provides a humorous irony, YMMV.

As far as employees leaving the company, nobody ever left under Steve. With 120,000 employees and probably long tenured employees turnover is inevitable..."but look a person left Apple, and it's due to Cook being a lousy manager and running Apple into the ground". /s

Additionally, we here in my house have had no issues with IOS updates, so I can't comment. With hundreds of millions of devices there is a lot of variability and there always will be issues for some.

Your thoughts and andecdotal experiences leave you to a negative apple experience, in addition to not liking the CEO. My anecdotal experiences are the opposite and I like the job the CEO is doing. As with everything YMMV.

 

[Techwatcher]

My brother use to work at AT&T and the staff could read your text messages. So I wonder if they still can?

SMS maybe. iMessage no.